Anyone else eager to LAUGH at what apple has to offer Sept 12th?

[Kevin OQuinn]

Anandtech didn't run tests on any flagships with jellybean. Geekbench tests overall performance, so I'd value a geekbench test more. And they show that the S3 with Jellybean beats the iPhone 5. I'm going to download geekbench and see what my One X with JB scores.

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Hmmm...fresh restart on my One X (AT&T) running ParanoidAndroid (Jelly Bean) just got 1566. Which knowing what I know about hardware just doesn't line up. The PowerVR543MP3 is MUCH more powerful than the Adreno 225. Actually, almost any other GPU is (the nvidia and mali included). The CPU cores in the iPhone5 are at least as fast. Maybe later I'll flash an ICS ROM and compare.

This does nothing to explain HOW software can make such a huge difference on a pure CPU benchmark. Anandtech chose the benchmarks they did because they are more consistent from one platform to the next. Even looking at the browser results the software wouldn't make that much of a difference. It appears as though people are cherry picking the one or two benchmarks that will allow them to say that they have a faster phone, when common sense should tell you that the iPhone 5 has some of the fastest hardware inside of it or any other phone released to date.

It's ridiculous to think that anything based on A9 can compete directly with a brand new architecture, knowing for a fact that the GPU is also outclassed. I mean that's a Snapdragon S4 Pro QUAD-CORE that is barely keeping pace with the iPhone 5.

Also, you (not specifically) can't claim that the CPU or GPU is slower, and then use a benchmarks overall result as evidence of that. If you want to argue about a CPU or GPU, use a CPU or GPU specific benchmark. Then you are isolating those particular pieces of hardware for an easier and more direct comparison. Which is why I'll take the Anandtech results. I'm sure they will also test RAM speed and storage speed, too.

Even if the hardware is slower and software makes up the difference, that should AT LEAST prove how well Apple optimizes the hardware for the software and vice versa.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Keep in mind the A6 is underclocked to 1ghz.

Yes, 1.02ghz to increase battery life. Same with the S4. It can smoothly run at 1.89 GHz, but is clocked at 1.5 GHz for stable battery life. Either way, geekbench makes it pretty clear that the S4 is at the very least equal to and possibly significantly more powerful than the A6. I think it's pretty clear as well that the S4 pro will perform even better.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

My One X with Jellybean scores a 1594 as opposed to the iPhone 5's 1600. When I clock it to 1.7 GHz it scores 1726. That means when not clocked on high, the One X scores 0.3% lower than the iPhone 5, when overclocked it's 7.8 percent faster. I don't have a Tegra 3 phone, but I'll run geekbench on my N7 which has pretty much identical specs to most Tegra phones.

Also, I'd point out that geekbench shows the iPhone 5 having 1gb ram, but the One X having only 673. This lowers the score and suggests that processor vs processor, the S4 handily wins.

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Now slow it down to 1.2ghz and see what the result is. Make it fair. Heck, go to 1.3, because for some reason you think RAM is making a huge difference here (it's not, because some of the RAM that isn't being reported is already being used by the GPU).

 

[crackberrytraitor]

My S3 U.S. edition scores 1698 clocked at 1.5 GHz with AOKP. This is probably because of the extra RAM

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[Kevin OQuinn]

What's your memory score?

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Now slow it down to 1.2ghz and see what the result is. Make it fair. Heck, go to 1.3, because for some reason you think RAM is making a huge difference here (it's not, because some of the RAM that isn't being reported is already being used by the GPU).

That's not making it fair, we're comparing which is a more powerful overall CPU, not which is more powerful at the same clock speed.

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[crackberrytraitor]

What's your memory score?

The S3 or the One X?

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[Kevin OQuinn]

That's not making it fair, we're comparing which is a more powerful overall CPU, not which is more powerful at the same clock speed.

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Ok. So clocked 300mhz faster it's .3% slower? Got it. Remember that we know the instruction set is the same, but the architecture is not. This means that Apple could have optimized things in a different way than Qualcomm.

The S3 or the One X?

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Both if you have them handy, but I was asking for it from the S3.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Yes, but the A6 probably can't even go up to 1500 MHz. Clock speed isn't relevant. That's like saying a single core cpu is more powerful than a quad core cpu if the single core is 15% more efficient per mhz, which is incorrect, just try running some advanced computations through both CPUs, the single core that's 15% more efficient is going to perform poorer overall. We're comparing which device performs better overall, with the CPU at native speed.

The One X got a 1729 memory score with 673 mb ram recognised. The S3 got a 1986 with 1744 mb recognised. The iPhone 5 got an 1811 with 1015 mb recognised.

The fact is, with jellybean the S3, both U.S. and international editions, beat the iPhone 5 in overall performance. It's very, very clear.

 

[JHBThree]

Yes, but the A6 probably can't even go up to 1500 MHz. Clock speed isn't relevant. We're comparing which device performs better overall, with the CPU at native speed.

The One X got a 1729 memory score with 673 mb ram recognised. The S3 got a 1986 with 1744 mb recognised. The iPhone 5 got an 1811 with 1015 mb recognised.

The fact is, with jellybean the S3, both U.S. and international editions, beat the iPhone 5 in overall performance. It's very, very clear.

You cannot fairly compare two chips when one is clocked at 1ghz and one is 1.5.

Also, given the A6s pedigree, I would not be shocked if it could be clocked above 1.5 without breaking a sweat.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

You cannot fairly compare two chips when one is clocked at 1ghz and one is 1.5.

Also, given the A6s pedigree, I would not be shocked if it could be clocked above 1.5 without breaking a sweat.

Read the edit to my above post to see why what you're saying is not accurate.

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[crackberrytraitor]

You cannot fairly compare two chips when one is clocked at 1ghz and one is 1.5.

Also, given the A6s pedigree, I would not be shocked if it could be clocked above 1.5 without breaking a sweat.

Yeah, no. They wouldn't spend the extra cash manufacturing chips that can be stably clocked 50 percent faster than their native speed. That's beyond unlikely.

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[JHBThree]

Yeah, no. They wouldn't spend the extra cash manufacturing chips that can be stably clocked 50 percent faster than their native speed. That's beyond unlikely.

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In your judgement, which doesn't mean anything. Given that Apple designed this chip, that means it will be found in some capacity in Apple products for at least a year, but probably longer. Apple never designs something without some flexibility in its design, and they never skimp on spending on components.

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[JHBThree]

Read the edit to my above post to see why what you're saying is not accurate.

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It is entirely accurate when you're comparing the S4 and A6.

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[crackberrytraitor]

It is entirely accurate when you're comparing the S4 and A6.

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No, it really isn't. CPU efficiency isn't the same thing as CPU power. If you want to say the A6 is more efficient, go ahead. If you want to say it's more powerful, well, quite simply, you're wrong.

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[crackberrytraitor]

In your judgement, which doesn't mean anything. Given that Apple designed this chip, that means it will be found in some capacity in Apple products for at least a year, but probably longer. Apple never designs something without some flexibility in its design, and they never skimp on spending on components.

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The iPhone 4s could run at a max 1ghz but was clocked stock at 800mhz. If you think the A6 can run at 1.5 GHz when they clock it a 1.02, I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. 1.2, maybe 1.3 if we're highballing.

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[JHBThree]

The iPhone could run at a max 1ghz but was clocked stock at 800mhz. If you think the A6 can run at 1.5 GHz when they clock it a 1.02, I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. 1.2, maybe 1.3 if we're highballing.

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You clearly don't know anything about the architecture apple used.

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[JHBThree]

No, it really isn't. CPU efficiency isn't the same thing as CPU power. If you want to say the A6 is more efficient, go ahead. If you want to say it's more powerful, well, quite simply, you're wrong.

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They are comparable. The A6 architecture is equivalent to the S4.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Yeah, no. They wouldn't spend the extra cash manufacturing chips that can be stably clocked 50 percent faster than their native speed. That's beyond unlikely.

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Not really. We know nothing of how they're binning these chips. Look at all the different models of Tegra 3 due to binning. It's entirely realistic to think there is some OC potential with the A6.

No, it really isn't. CPU efficiency isn't the same thing as CPU power. If you want to say the A6 is more efficient, go ahead. If you want to say it's more powerful, well, quite simply, you're wrong.

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Proof? Anandtech PROVES that the CPU and GPU are more powerful. Geekbench, which you seem to quote and go by so often, don't specify enough.

The iPhone could run at a max 1ghz but was clocked stock at 800mhz. If you think the A6 can run at 1.5 GHz when they clock it a 1.02, I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about. 1.2, maybe 1.3 if we're highballing.

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Geekbench shows that it'll go up to 1.2ghz stock.

You clearly don't know anything about the architecture apple used.

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Nobody does really. We know about the instruction set, but not the architecture. Even with the pic of the die all we have are educated guesses.



My memory score was a 1671. See how that particular score doesn't scale with quantity? That's my problem with saying extra RAM alone is why the score is higher. It has more to do with the efficiency of the pipeline than anything else in that particular case. Anyway, I'm not going to trust Geekbench to tell me that a particular device is more powerful than any other device, when I can clearly see evidence that one device is MUCH more powerful.

Any idea how Geekbench goes about getting those numbers? It seems to run awful quickly as opposed to something like Vellamo, which takes much longer to run, and breaks down in great detail what it tested to arrive at those results. I'm not saying we should use Vellamo, was just citing as an example.

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Also, clockspeed is ALWAYS relevant when talking about benchmarks, since the easiest way to improve benchmark scores is to increase clockspeed.

 

[crackberrytraitor]

Not really. We know nothing of how they're binning these chips. Look at all the different models of Tegra 3 due to binning. It's entirely realistic to think there is some OC potential with the A6.



Proof? Anandtech PROVES that the CPU and GPU are more powerful. Geekbench, which you seem to quote and go by so often, don't specify enough.



Geekbench shows that it'll go up to 1.2ghz stock.



Nobody does really. We know about the instruction set, but not the architecture. Even with the pic of the die all we have are educated guesses.



My memory score was a 1671. See how that particular score doesn't scale with quantity? That's my problem with saying extra RAM alone is why the score is higher. It has more to do with the efficiency of the pipeline than anything else in that particular case. Anyway, I'm not going to trust Geekbench to tell me that a particular device is more powerful than any other device, when I can clearly see evidence that one device is MUCH more powerful.

Any idea how Geekbench goes about getting those numbers? It seems to run awful quickly as opposed to something like Vellamo, which takes much longer to run, and breaks down in great detail what it tested to arrive at those results. I'm not saying we should use Vellamo, was just citing as an example.

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Also, clockspeed is ALWAYS relevant when talking about benchmarks, since the easiest way to improve benchmark scores is to increase clockspeed.

You can't overclock the tegra 3 by 50% of it's overall clock speed. Come on now, seriously guys. If we want to look at Apple's history, the iPhone 4 could be overclocked 200mhz.

efficiency per mhz IS NOT what we're comparing here. We're comparing which is the most powerful overall. Underpowering a CPU isn't fair for an overall comparison. That's like saying if you're having a big guy fight a little guy that the big guy should wear weights to make it fair. But if you're trying to see who is the better overall fighter making it "fair" is no what's important.

The fact is, in a test of overall system performance with no CPU hackery, the S3 with the latest android handily beats the i5 with the latest iOS, and the One X ties with it (okay, it technically loses with a 0.3 percent lower score).

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