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  1. Tkbredx's Avatar
    I sense hostility
    09-12-2012 05:12 PM
  2. s14tat's Avatar
    That is exactly what it is...so if you like the look of the 4 and 4S the 5 looks okay to.

    I have no issue with the look though I feel though should have went with a 4.3" screen making it wider. The issue is the phone is nothing special, it does not even meet the specs of the One X / SIII so unlike Apple leading the market spec and feature wise they are now trailing
    The reason why did made the screen taller is because they don't want to cause fragmentation. Apple brags about how everything works together and dogs on android for being "fragmented" If they were to release it with a 4.3 inch screen, the size of the icons and screen resolution would be totally #$$#. In the end I give Apple credit for not making themselves look like hypocrites, but they really did limit themselves in the future.
    09-12-2012 05:48 PM
  3. Jaingo5150's Avatar
    Umm so ok, the 4s sold 30 mil in a year after it was ONLY an update model.....does anyone do math here? They sold just under 8 mil a quarter when it was just a tread water stop gap phone.

    Math doesn't lie.

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    09-12-2012 05:56 PM
  4. Champion1229's Avatar
    That is exactly what it is...so if you like the look of the 4 and 4S the 5 looks okay to.

    I have no issue with the look though I feel though should have went with a 4.3" screen making it wider. The issue is the phone is nothing special, it does not even meet the specs of the One X / SIII so unlike Apple leading the market spec and feature wise they are now trailing
    Apple was trailing last year with the 4S and this year they made it apparent that their new push is towards litigation, not innovation and next year with iPhone 5S it will just become more and more apparent. Heck, I've already noticed that this year the media and even my news feed on Facebook is a lot quieter and theres no more people screaming about how happy they are about the iPhone because the media and people all over are now starting to see that Apple is no longer the innovator in the mobile world and that other devices and even entire OSs are much more innovative and powerful.
    09-12-2012 06:00 PM
  5. Ry's Avatar
    The reason why did made the screen taller is because they don't want to cause fragmentation. Apple brags about how everything works together and dogs on android for being "fragmented" If they were to release it with a 4.3 inch screen, the size of the icons and screen resolution would be totally #$$#. In the end I give Apple credit for not making themselves look like hypocrites, but they really did limit themselves in the future.
    The size of the screen doesn't matter. It's the resolution that actually does.

    iOS developers now have to support three resolutions but that's still way less than Android developers have to support.


    Umm so ok, the 4s sold 30 mil in a year after it was ONLY an update model.....does anyone do math here? They sold just under 8 mil a quarter when it was just a tread water stop gap phone.

    Math doesn't lie.

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    Winner winner. Chicken dinner.

    Oh wait. Those people who bought it must be dumb for buying such "old" hardware.
    09-12-2012 06:03 PM
  6. xKrNMBoYx's Avatar
    Everyone thinks I phones are so great and such top sellers... Ummm the 4S has been out for a year and only sold 30 million units and the SGS3 has been out for just over 3 months and they've already shipped over 43 million units!

    Sent from my DROID RAZR using Android Central Forums
    lol..I like my S3..but where do you get your information? It was only a week ago that it was announced that the S3 sold 20Million.. there's no way another 20 million sold in a week. If you mean shipped out then your making a unfair comparison while you used sold on 4S and shipped out on the S3
    09-12-2012 06:06 PM
  7. EvilMonkey's Avatar
    Apple was trailing last year with the 4S and this year they made it apparent that their new push is towards litigation, not innovation and next year with iPhone 5S it will just become more and more apparent. Heck, I've already noticed that this year the media and even my news feed on Facebook is a lot quieter and theres no more people screaming about how happy they are about the iPhone because the media and people all over are now starting to see that Apple is no longer the innovator in the mobile world and that other devices and even entire OSs are much more innovative and powerful.
    Ive noticed the same thing. Some sites were even setting lowered expectations like 'the iPhone is a mature product now so doesn't need drastic improvements'

    I would love if the iPhone kills off the media's obsession with the iPhone like it's the second coming of Christ...or at least have them start treating it like just another phone.

    Not that I'm going to hold my breath for that. It's a vicious cycle that the hype drives demand that drives hype and so on.
    09-12-2012 06:16 PM
  8. Ry's Avatar
    lol..I like my S3..but where do you get your information? It was only a week ago that it was announced that the S3 sold 20Million.. there's no way another 20 million sold in a week. If you mean shipped out then your making a unfair comparison while you used sold on 4S and shipped out on the S3
    Seriously.

    Samsung Sells 20M+ Galaxy S IIIs In 100 Days: A Benchmark Or A Red Herring For Apple, Nokia, Amazon? | TechCrunch

    Champion1229 should really try and cite sources.
    09-12-2012 06:21 PM
  9. EvilMonkey's Avatar
    I would love if the iPhone kills off the media's obsession with the iPhone like it's the second coming of Christ...or at least have them start treating it like just another phone.
    apparently not. Despite the iPhone 5 losing pretty much every category, it still gets the best pick. Hows that work?????
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7...urce=pulsenews
    09-12-2012 06:51 PM
  10. JHBThree's Avatar
    apparently not. Despite the iPhone 5 losing pretty much every category, it still gets the best pick. Hows that work?????
    http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7...urce=pulsenews
    The spec war is over. We're back at the point where overall experience matters more.

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    09-12-2012 11:34 PM
  11. davidnc's Avatar
    Oh wait. Those people who bought it must be dumb for buying......
    I agree with this part of your statement LoL
    09-13-2012 06:35 AM
  12. rexxman's Avatar
    The spec war is over. We're back at the point where overall experience matters more.

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    There was not an IP5 or a 920 available to judge overall user experience. So your response lacks credibility.

    Methinks you are a proven iApologist.

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    09-13-2012 09:05 AM
  13. JHBThree's Avatar
    There was not an IP5 or a 920 available to judge overall user experience. So your response lacks credibility.

    Methinks you are a proven iApologist.

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    I'm not the only one saying it. The mobile spec war is over. It's as plain as day. All of the major handsets being released now have reached a sort of spec-parity, with very little in the way of hardware specs to differentiate between them. Now it turns into a war of ecosystems and user experience.

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    09-13-2012 01:30 PM
  14. Ry's Avatar
    I agree with this part of your statement LoL
    Nice. You agree with my sarcasm.


    There was not an IP5 or a 920 available to judge overall user experience. So your response lacks credibility.

    Methinks you are a proven iApologist.

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    Fact: Project Butter in Jelly Bean exists simply because even with killer specs, the user experience in Android device with ICS or earlier just wasn't as smooth as the competition.

    No one cares how many megapixels a phone camera has. They just want it to take great photos. Dual-core or quad-core? Irrelevant right now. Especially in the US.

    The spec war is over.
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    09-13-2012 01:36 PM
  15. rexxman's Avatar
    I'm not the only one saying it. The mobile spec war is over. It's as plain as day. All of the major handsets being released now have reached a sort of spec-parity, with very little in the way of hardware specs to differentiate between them. Now it turns into a war of ecosystems and user experience.

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
    Are you for real?

    My comment wasn't about specs. It was about the user experience. And about a review of three devices SPECS in which two of the devices were physically ABSENT. Do you get it? You can't, and the referenced article's authors can't, assess the user experience on an absent device. Even they admitted that.

    And the mobile spec war is over? Your joking, right? If you believe that, you must be an Apple hardware designer that is blinded by your company's marketing hype.

    You are so eager to counter that you forget to think. Please engage brain before responding.





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    09-13-2012 03:47 PM
  16. rexxman's Avatar
    Nice. You agree with my sarcasm.




    Fact: Project Butter in Jelly Bean exists simply because even with killer specs, the user experience in Android device with ICS or earlier just wasn't as smooth as the competition.

    No one cares how many megapixels a phone camera has. They just want it to take great photos. Dual-core or quad-core? Irrelevant right now. Especially in the US.

    The spec war is over.
    See above response to your twin JHBThree. And I'll add, you don't know fact from fiction on this subject.

    The spec war is never over. All the major players in the microelectronic business have not abandoned R&D.

    'The spec war is over'. That's about the dumbest thing I've read on these forums.
    And your pronouncement coming on the heels of the IP5 announcement, exposes you as an iApologist.

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    09-13-2012 04:05 PM
  17. Bond32's Avatar
    To me the iphone5 is the symbol of stupidity in people. For the cost alone you get so much more for less money with the S3.

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    09-13-2012 04:14 PM
  18. Champion1229's Avatar
    People believe Apple to be a status symbol and that if they have anything Apple they are immediately cool and rich which is quite frankly just wrong! The SGS3 offers more per dollar than the iP5 and they were priced the same (subsidized) except for that the SGS3 offers an mSD card slot so theres basically no need to buy the more expensive 32GB model.

    However Apple's marketing is hard at work right now considering my 80 year old grandmother just asked me if I was getting an iP5 because she heard on the news that it was the best new device out. *face palm* I explained to her how Apple works and that they are just one of those companies that people buy because it makes them feel special and that in the end they're just over priced and overhyped crap.
    09-13-2012 04:34 PM
  19. Ry's Avatar
    See above response to your twin JHBThree. And I'll add, you don't know fact from fiction on this subject.

    The spec war is never over. All the major players in the microelectronic business have not abandoned R&D.

    'The spec war is over'. That's about the dumbest thing I've read on these forums.
    And your pronouncement coming on the heels of the IP5 announcement, exposes you as an iApologist.

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    The specs don't really matter. The spec war is over. It has been over.

    Of course, R&D is going to happen. Chip manufacturers are still going to improve. Cameras are going to get better. But the actual specs don't really matter. Their real world performance does.

    Go ahead and call me whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that ecosystems and user experience are much more important factors than tech specs.



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    09-13-2012 04:36 PM
  20. Champion1229's Avatar
    The specs don't really matter. The spec war is over. It has been over.

    Of course, R&D is going to happen. Chip manufacturers are still going to improve. Cameras are going to get better. But the actual specs don't really matter. Their real world performance does.

    Go ahead and call me whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that ecosystems and user experience are much more important factors than tech specs.



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    Like everyone else said on here, "your joking right?" Spec wars is by no means over with dual core processors, it might not even be over with quad core because once something new and TRULY innovative comes along that runs faster, better and smarter whatever was the top dog is now the mid range dog, no one that knows anything about tech wants it so it goes on sale and eventually reaches the EOL and then the manufacturer typically makes the next iteration of the device where they outperform the now top dog. Its a cycle old becomes new, company that is now old wants to be new again so they make a new stellar product. Unless of course said company is Apple then they just make a device with last years tech and let the marketing department do the rest.
    09-13-2012 08:41 PM
  21. Ry's Avatar
    Good experiences with things like Google Voice Actions, Siri, S-Voice, Google Now, Motorola Smart Actions, and whatever the heck they call that thing on Samsung phones that tracks your eyes so it doesn't timeout the screen are what matter. This is where companies are innovating. The software. The experience. The ecosystem.

    Bumping specs up- not innovative and are simply irrelevant. Hardware specs have been evolutionary. There really hasn't been anything revolutionary in hardware in a long time.

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    09-13-2012 08:55 PM
  22. bdmridgback's Avatar
    I say the numbers are more than correct. Look at it this way...

    Look at every unemployed person or those on food stamps, they all have an iPhone! The iPhone is no longer a status symbol. That is the problem with Americans these days...priorities are all messed up. Even I know a friend of a friend that is on govt assistance with 3 kids and no father but she has a iPhone! In one way or another you and I working folks bought that phone for her.

    Either way, yes, apple will do those numbers, just from the pure trailer trash that will buy Iphones alone!



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    09-13-2012 09:17 PM
  23. Ry's Avatar
    I say the numbers are more than correct. Look at it this way...

    Look at every unemployed person or those on food stamps, they all have an iPhone! The iPhone is no longer a status symbol. That is the problem with Americans these days...priorities are all messed up. Even I know a friend of a friend that is on govt assistance with 3 kids and no father but she has a iPhone! In one way or another you and I working folks bought that phone for her.

    Either way, yes, apple will do those numbers, just from the pure trailer trash that will buy Iphones alone!



    Sent from my Innovative Galaxy S3
    Wow. And what would you say about that "trailer trash" if they had an Android phone? Dare I even ask, what if that trailer trash had your same "innovative" Galaxy S III??

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    09-13-2012 09:26 PM
  24. jroc's Avatar
    Project Butter exists...because....isnt that the goal for any company....to get better? Why does it have to be only compared to the competition...and not also compared with itself? IMO....WP is smoother than the iOS. Android and iOS are more closer now...and thats before Butter.

    Every version of Android has gotten smoother. I have a Droid 1 with 2.0.1....if one wants to talk about lag and smoothness. Project Butter...lol.Google has been making Android smoother since day one. They are just putting more emphasis on it now. Its not like they woke up one morning and said...."we gotta make Android smoother."

    Whoever thinks the spec war is over in the mobile market....doesnt own a PC. Or an HDTV. Or a smartphone. How many ppl on here still use their very first smartphone they ever had as their main phone? How many ppl on here used Android in 2009, 2010 and still use their first Android phone as their main phone? How many ppl still rock the orig iPhone? As long as ppl think more mega pixels = better camera.....the specs war will never be over.
    09-13-2012 09:46 PM
  25. Ry's Avatar
    Whoever thinks the spec war is over in the mobile market....doesnt own a PC. Or an HDTV. Or a smartphone.
    Bwahahaha.

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    09-13-2012 10:07 PM
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