What do you think? Stolen smartphones
- Sorry what I meant to say was that I recently seen news footage on the DC news about 3 individuals who lives were changed basically over smartphones being stolen. Recently Two young women were harassed and robbed of their phones by some cold hearted kids from the southeast part of DC on a metro line. Then another story of a guy who was beaten almost to death for his. Its gotten bad where I think laws should be stiffened for these crimes. I don't believe "bricking" the devices from the carriers end will curb the violence but I personally believe laws with harsher punishment s will. It may or may not work but something has to be done. That's what i was referring to in my OP. I was just in a hurry posting .
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Android Central Forums12-30-2012 08:25 PMLike 0 -
phonestrackers have such capabilities that can be "remote" controlled.12-30-2012 08:48 PMLike 0 - To those saying yas wot back down, that is not the norm. I can replace my phone in 1 or 2 paychecks, if I am alive and able to work at all. Concussions kind of play havoc on that. As for the tracking apps, they do have their use. Do I use one, no. But I did on my berry.
Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk 212-30-2012 09:01 PMLike 0 - But back to my earlier point, doesn't it kinda give ya the creepy-crawlies and ewie jeewies . . .that if you can so easily do all that, then how are we to know, for sure, that gov agencies and/or corps, or whoever, aren't doing the same thing? It kinda creeps me out, frankly, that todays
phonestrackers have such capabilities that can be "remote" controlled.12-30-2012 09:31 PMLike 0 - I am a magistrate in Atlanta and more iPhones are stolen and taken from people by far. Give up the phone, its not worth your life, but use a program like Where's My Droid which can both track and wipe. I can't tell you how many warrants I have signed based on tracking apps that allow the police to go straight to the phone's location, where the thief is sitting there playing Angry Birds (or whatever). With a tracking app the police can and will go straight to your phone and make arrests.
It is also true that, absent the tracking app, the phone company's location data is not specific enough to allow police to knock on a door and also takes much longer to access. A victim, saying 'take me to a computer' can do much better and faster using his own tracking app. Its my general experience that phone co.'s do not give up data to local cops without a search warrant or court order and, I, personally, require a showing that data relevant to a crime will be obtained before I will authorize a warrant or order. At least around here, police can not just go fishing in your data without a warrant just the same as they can't go through your house.12-30-2012 09:40 PMLike 3 -
lol
Kelly Kearns likes this.12-30-2012 09:44 PMLike 1 - I am a magistrate in Atlanta ~ Its my general experience that phone co.'s do not give up data to local cops without a search warrant or court order and, I, personally, require a showing that data relevant to a crime will be obtained before I will authorize a warrant or order. At least around here, police can not just go fishing in your data without a warrant just the same as they can't go through your house.
Nevertheless, since mobile & smartphone technology has been advancing so quickly, over the last 20 years, as I understand it, search warrants are only required in some states;
Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants
Tuesday: Federal Appeals Court Hears Important Cell Phone Tracking Case
. . .if I'm not mistaken, I think the Justice Dept. won this Federal Appeals Court case (in Oct 2012), which currently has far-reaching warrant-less wiretapping & warrant-less email search ramifications for all Americans.
Counter-narcotics, Terrorism & Intelligence; Greater Email Privacy Bill Won't Hinder Law Enforcement
. . . of course, it can get more confusing, the more you read.12-30-2012 10:13 PMLike 0 -
- Good on you!
Nevertheless, since mobile & smartphone technology has been advancing so quickly, over the last 20 years, as I understand it, search warrants are only required in some states;
Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants
Tuesday: Federal Appeals Court Hears Important Cell Phone Tracking Case
. . .if I'm not mistaken, I think the Justice Dept. won this Federal Appeals Court case (in Oct 2012), which currently has far-reaching warrant-less wiretapping & warrant-less email search ramifications for all Americans.
Counter-narcotics, Terrorism & Intelligence; Greater Email Privacy Bill Won't Hinder Law Enforcement
. . . of course, it can get more confusing, the more you read.AT&T told me they couldn't get it down to a front door or GPS coordinate.
Also, if nothing else, FMD, if my phone is on SILENT, not even vibrate, and in the couch I can turn it on for 10 minutes to ring and vibrate so I can find it. I got the paid app cause I can use my own "ringtone" and the app was cheap. They just added all these other features since I bought the app.
This is the ringtone I use to find my phone if I can't find it where I am, if you can't find your phone at home with this going off for 10 minutes, you can give it up. I love the fact that it will change the ringtone for finding, even if it is silent. The other stuff is just icing on the cake now
WARNING: VERY LOUD
Freesound.org - "yelp.wav" by guitarguy198512-30-2012 10:30 PMLike 0 - But back to my earlier point, doesn't it kinda give ya the creepy-crawlies and ewie jeewies . . .that if you can so easily do all that, then how are we to know, for sure, that gov agencies and/or corps, or whoever, aren't doing the same thing? It kinda creeps me out, frankly, that todays
phonestrackers have such capabilities that can be "remote" controlled.
MERRY XMAS!!!X
Unbranded international s3 with Official 4.1.2 JB. Paisley, Slotland, Western Europe :beer:12-30-2012 10:43 PMLike 0 - 12-30-2012 10:56 PMLike 1
- Both. If thieves figure out that a stolen phone has a value of zero, they'll be much less likely to steal them. I'm in favor of harsher penalties, but doubt it will be much of a deterrent. Most thieves think they're too smart to get caught. Or don't think at all.funkylogik likes this.12-30-2012 11:54 PMLike 1
- Good on you!
Nevertheless, since mobile & smartphone technology has been advancing so quickly, over the last 20 years, as I understand it, search warrants are only required in some states;
Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants
Tuesday: Federal Appeals Court Hears Important Cell Phone Tracking Case
. . .if I'm not mistaken, I think the Justice Dept. won this Federal Appeals Court case (in Oct 2012), which currently has far-reaching warrant-less wiretapping & warrant-less email search ramifications for all Americans.
Counter-narcotics, Terrorism & Intelligence; Greater Email Privacy Bill Won't Hinder Law Enforcement
. . . of course, it can get more confusing, the more you read.
Location and usage information (who did you call and text) is really different, as such is really part of the business records of the provider. That doesn't mean a search warrant isn't or can't be required for law enforcement to access. Technically, we'd know it if Android allowed GPS based location info for the phone without our consent, it is open source and there are smart guys out there who actually understand all that code. Location data without GPS is, at best triangulation off the cell towers, the accuracy of which will depend on the density of sites in the desired location. If it were not so, no app would be required to locate, only a server side inquiry of the phone.
Lastly, the U.S. Constitution provides a floor beneath which the states may not go lower, but states are free to set higher requirements than the U.S. Constitution. My comments are based only on laws of the State of Georgia. Recently, the Supremes decided warrants were required for thermographic imaging of a home (looking for marijuana grow houses), but in Georgia such searches are not allowed even with a warrant. Georgia laws only allow searches for things and the Georgia Supremes held that that the thermographic image was not a "thing".
YMMV.winmod21 likes this.12-31-2012 07:36 AMLike 1 - My wife likes to put duct tape over my mouth . . . whenever we're golfing, or at a movie, or whilst shopping, or when having samples at a Sam's Clubs or Costco, or, or . . . . hmmmm, now that I think about it, it seems like . . .almost all the time. .Kelly Kearns and funkylogik like this.12-31-2012 11:23 AMLike 2
- WARNING: VERY LOUD
Freesound.org - "yelp.wav" by guitarguy1985I turned-down the volume. Yeah, that would prolly get your attention.
Kelly Kearns likes this.12-31-2012 11:28 AMLike 1 - I do believe there is a case on the way to the Supremes on the search warrant issue, but I can't remember the details. There are several different issues brought up here. One is email. Email is not really a cellphone issue. We access our email from many locations. Server resident data raises two main issues, one is whether there is a reasonable expectation of privacy and two is who owns the data. Cloud based data is subject to the agreement concerning use of the cloud, i.e. Instagram flap over use of your pictures. Good reason to run your own email server.
Location and usage information (who did you call and text) is really different, as such is really part of the business records of the provider. That doesn't mean a search warrant isn't or can't be required for law enforcement to access. Technically, we'd know it if Android allowed GPS based location info for the phone without our consent, it is open source and there are smart guys out there who actually understand all that code. Location data without GPS is, at best triangulation off the cell towers, the accuracy of which will depend on the density of sites in the desired location. If it were not so, no app would be required to locate, only a server side inquiry of the phone.
Lastly, the U.S. Constitution provides a floor beneath which the states may not go lower, but states are free to set higher requirements than the U.S. Constitution. My comments are based only on laws of the State of Georgia. Recently, the Supremes decided warrants were required for thermographic imaging of a home (looking for marijuana grow houses), but in Georgia such searches are not allowed even with a warrant. Georgia laws only allow searches for things and the Georgia Supremes held that that the thermographic image was not a "thing". YMMV.
Must be an ever-growing Law School curriculum!
If I were to be categorized, politically, it would likely be as a Constitutionalist. So thanks to you, for being what appears to be a believer, keeper, and Steward of our U.S. Constitution. As well, I sense, a stand-up Magistrate.I believe I would appreciate coming before your court . . on any matter.
12-31-2012 12:03 PMLike 0 - Want my phone? Say hello to Mr. Glock.....of course that being said if I could use it without putting anyone else in harms way. I love CCW's!!12-31-2012 12:45 PMLike 0
- I use Carbonite on my PC as well as my phone. I have it all set to wipe out my phone remotely if necessary. Great program!12-31-2012 01:12 PMLike 0
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Sooner or later, most guys learn that, at the end of the day, they really only have two choices. They can either be right. Or they can be happy.
12-31-2012 06:20 PMLike 0 -
- Kelly does ur nickname reflect a western celtic ancestry, pal?
MERRY XMAS!!!X
Unbranded international s3 with Official 4.1.2 JB. Paisley, Slotland, Western Europe :beer:01-01-2013 04:35 AMLike 0
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