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  1. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Sorry what I meant to say was that I recently seen news footage on the DC news about 3 individuals who lives were changed basically over smartphones being stolen. Recently Two young women were harassed and robbed of their phones by some cold hearted kids from the southeast part of DC on a metro line. Then another story of a guy who was beaten almost to death for his. Its gotten bad where I think laws should be stiffened for these crimes. I don't believe "bricking" the devices from the carriers end will curb the violence but I personally believe laws with harsher punishment s will. It may or may not work but something has to be done. That's what i was referring to in my OP. I was just in a hurry posting .

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    I remember hearing about that, was thinking they were iphone 5's that were taken. Stricter punishment for stealing phones is the answer, I agree.
    12-30-2012 08:25 PM
  2. winmod21's Avatar
    ~ take a pic of the thief, wipe the phone, lock it and GPS it with a map sent to me, down to coordinates. ~ I like I can take a remote front or back pic and that my signal and picture taking are stealth so they don't ditch it before the cops get there.
    But back to my earlier point, doesn't it kinda give ya the creepy-crawlies and ewie jeewies . . .that if you can so easily do all that, then how are we to know, for sure, that gov agencies and/or corps, or whoever, aren't doing the same thing? It kinda creeps me out, frankly, that todays phones trackers have such capabilities that can be "remote" controlled.
    12-30-2012 08:48 PM
  3. MobileMadness002's Avatar
    To those saying yas wot back down, that is not the norm. I can replace my phone in 1 or 2 paychecks, if I am alive and able to work at all. Concussions kind of play havoc on that. As for the tracking apps, they do have their use. Do I use one, no. But I did on my berry.

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    12-30-2012 09:01 PM
  4. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    But back to my earlier point, doesn't it kinda give ya the creepy-crawlies and ewie jeewies . . .that if you can so easily do all that, then how are we to know, for sure, that gov agencies and/or corps, or whoever, aren't doing the same thing? It kinda creeps me out, frankly, that todays phones trackers have such capabilities that can be "remote" controlled.
    Well I can only do that through my app and the Commander that comes with it. If the gov't wants a pic of me, not much to see lol
    12-30-2012 09:31 PM
  5. jaltman's Avatar
    I am a magistrate in Atlanta and more iPhones are stolen and taken from people by far. Give up the phone, its not worth your life, but use a program like Where's My Droid which can both track and wipe. I can't tell you how many warrants I have signed based on tracking apps that allow the police to go straight to the phone's location, where the thief is sitting there playing Angry Birds (or whatever). With a tracking app the police can and will go straight to your phone and make arrests.

    It is also true that, absent the tracking app, the phone company's location data is not specific enough to allow police to knock on a door and also takes much longer to access. A victim, saying 'take me to a computer' can do much better and faster using his own tracking app. Its my general experience that phone co.'s do not give up data to local cops without a search warrant or court order and, I, personally, require a showing that data relevant to a crime will be obtained before I will authorize a warrant or order. At least around here, police can not just go fishing in your data without a warrant just the same as they can't go through your house.
    12-30-2012 09:40 PM
  6. winmod21's Avatar
    Well I can only do that through my app and the Commander that comes with it. If the gov't wants a pic of me, not much to see lol
    I guess that Enemy of the State movie, as well as Conspiracy Theory, kinda gave me the creeps about stuff that can track you, unawares. lol
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    12-30-2012 09:44 PM
  7. jbird2383's Avatar
    Have u heard of carbonite?? Awesone backup and protection software especially if u have a high value phone. It will lock out and locate the phone via gps.

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    12-30-2012 09:49 PM
  8. winmod21's Avatar
    I am a magistrate in Atlanta ~ Its my general experience that phone co.'s do not give up data to local cops without a search warrant or court order and, I, personally, require a showing that data relevant to a crime will be obtained before I will authorize a warrant or order. At least around here, police can not just go fishing in your data without a warrant just the same as they can't go through your house.
    Good on you!

    Nevertheless, since mobile & smartphone technology has been advancing so quickly, over the last 20 years, as I understand it, search warrants are only required in some states;

    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Tuesday: Federal Appeals Court Hears Important Cell Phone Tracking Case

    . . .if I'm not mistaken, I think the Justice Dept. won this Federal Appeals Court case (in Oct 2012), which currently has far-reaching warrant-less wiretapping & warrant-less email search ramifications for all Americans.

    Counter-narcotics, Terrorism & Intelligence; Greater Email Privacy Bill Won't Hinder Law Enforcement
    . . . of course, it can get more confusing, the more you read.
    12-30-2012 10:13 PM
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    12-30-2012 10:29 PM
  10. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Good on you!

    Nevertheless, since mobile & smartphone technology has been advancing so quickly, over the last 20 years, as I understand it, search warrants are only required in some states;

    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Tuesday: Federal Appeals Court Hears Important Cell Phone Tracking Case

    . . .if I'm not mistaken, I think the Justice Dept. won this Federal Appeals Court case (in Oct 2012), which currently has far-reaching warrant-less wiretapping & warrant-less email search ramifications for all Americans.

    Counter-narcotics, Terrorism & Intelligence; Greater Email Privacy Bill Won't Hinder Law Enforcement
    . . . of course, it can get more confusing, the more you read.
    But the issue is finding it and even AT&T was very interested in Wheres My Droid when I told them about it. I have tested it tracked my phone to the front door of a place, with a google map. Also, a picture of them with your phone and them looking at it is GREAT evidence AT&T told me they couldn't get it down to a front door or GPS coordinate.

    Also, if nothing else, FMD, if my phone is on SILENT, not even vibrate, and in the couch I can turn it on for 10 minutes to ring and vibrate so I can find it. I got the paid app cause I can use my own "ringtone" and the app was cheap. They just added all these other features since I bought the app.

    This is the ringtone I use to find my phone if I can't find it where I am, if you can't find your phone at home with this going off for 10 minutes, you can give it up. I love the fact that it will change the ringtone for finding, even if it is silent. The other stuff is just icing on the cake now

    WARNING: VERY LOUD
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    12-30-2012 10:30 PM
  11. funkylogik's Avatar
    But back to my earlier point, doesn't it kinda give ya the creepy-crawlies and ewie jeewies . . .that if you can so easily do all that, then how are we to know, for sure, that gov agencies and/or corps, or whoever, aren't doing the same thing? It kinda creeps me out, frankly, that todays phones trackers have such capabilities that can be "remote" controlled.
    Ive got duct tape on my cams :P

    MERRY XMAS!!!X
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    12-30-2012 10:43 PM
  12. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Ive got duct tape on my cams :P

    MERRY XMAS!!!X
    Unbranded international s3 with Official 4.1.2 JB. Paisley, Slotland, Western Europe :beer:
    I have duct tape on my boyfriend, but that is beside the point
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    12-30-2012 10:56 PM
  13. meyerweb#CB's Avatar
    . I don't believe "bricking" the devices from the carriers end will curb the violence but I personally believe laws with harsher punishment s will. It may or may not work but something has to be done.
    Both. If thieves figure out that a stolen phone has a value of zero, they'll be much less likely to steal them. I'm in favor of harsher penalties, but doubt it will be much of a deterrent. Most thieves think they're too smart to get caught. Or don't think at all.
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    12-30-2012 11:54 PM
  14. jaltman's Avatar
    Good on you!

    Nevertheless, since mobile & smartphone technology has been advancing so quickly, over the last 20 years, as I understand it, search warrants are only required in some states;

    Senate bill rewrite lets feds read your e-mail without warrants

    Tuesday: Federal Appeals Court Hears Important Cell Phone Tracking Case

    . . .if I'm not mistaken, I think the Justice Dept. won this Federal Appeals Court case (in Oct 2012), which currently has far-reaching warrant-less wiretapping & warrant-less email search ramifications for all Americans.

    Counter-narcotics, Terrorism & Intelligence; Greater Email Privacy Bill Won't Hinder Law Enforcement
    . . . of course, it can get more confusing, the more you read.
    I do believe there is a case on the way to the Supremes on the search warrant issue, but I can't remember the details. There are several different issues brought up here. One is email. Email is not really a cellphone issue. We access our email from many locations. Server resident data raises two main issues, one is whether there is a reasonable expectation of privacy and two is who owns the data. Cloud based data is subject to the agreement concerning use of the cloud, i.e. Instagram flap over use of your pictures. Good reason to run your own email server.

    Location and usage information (who did you call and text) is really different, as such is really part of the business records of the provider. That doesn't mean a search warrant isn't or can't be required for law enforcement to access. Technically, we'd know it if Android allowed GPS based location info for the phone without our consent, it is open source and there are smart guys out there who actually understand all that code. Location data without GPS is, at best triangulation off the cell towers, the accuracy of which will depend on the density of sites in the desired location. If it were not so, no app would be required to locate, only a server side inquiry of the phone.

    Lastly, the U.S. Constitution provides a floor beneath which the states may not go lower, but states are free to set higher requirements than the U.S. Constitution. My comments are based only on laws of the State of Georgia. Recently, the Supremes decided warrants were required for thermographic imaging of a home (looking for marijuana grow houses), but in Georgia such searches are not allowed even with a warrant. Georgia laws only allow searches for things and the Georgia Supremes held that that the thermographic image was not a "thing".

    YMMV.
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    12-31-2012 07:36 AM
  15. winmod21's Avatar
    Ive got duct tape on my cams :P
    I have duct tape on my boyfriend, but that is beside the point
    My wife likes to put duct tape over my mouth . . . whenever we're golfing, or at a movie, or whilst shopping, or when having samples at a Sam's Clubs or Costco, or, or . . . . hmmmm, now that I think about it, it seems like . . .almost all the time. .
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    12-31-2012 11:23 AM
  16. winmod21's Avatar
    Thanks for the warning. I turned-down the volume. Yeah, that would prolly get your attention.
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    12-31-2012 11:28 AM
  17. winmod21's Avatar
    I do believe there is a case on the way to the Supremes on the search warrant issue, but I can't remember the details. There are several different issues brought up here. One is email. Email is not really a cellphone issue. We access our email from many locations. Server resident data raises two main issues, one is whether there is a reasonable expectation of privacy and two is who owns the data. Cloud based data is subject to the agreement concerning use of the cloud, i.e. Instagram flap over use of your pictures. Good reason to run your own email server.

    Location and usage information (who did you call and text) is really different, as such is really part of the business records of the provider. That doesn't mean a search warrant isn't or can't be required for law enforcement to access. Technically, we'd know it if Android allowed GPS based location info for the phone without our consent, it is open source and there are smart guys out there who actually understand all that code. Location data without GPS is, at best triangulation off the cell towers, the accuracy of which will depend on the density of sites in the desired location. If it were not so, no app would be required to locate, only a server side inquiry of the phone.

    Lastly, the U.S. Constitution provides a floor beneath which the states may not go lower, but states are free to set higher requirements than the U.S. Constitution. My comments are based only on laws of the State of Georgia. Recently, the Supremes decided warrants were required for thermographic imaging of a home (looking for marijuana grow houses), but in Georgia such searches are not allowed even with a warrant. Georgia laws only allow searches for things and the Georgia Supremes held that that the thermographic image was not a "thing". YMMV.
    That's really interesting; thanks for that. The Constitutional questions pertaining to 'reasonable expectation of privacy' and the legal challenges thereof are surely going to be occupying more and more of the Supremes dockets throughout the coming years. Including States rights, or not, to breach that 'floor beneath' level. From the outside looking in, it seems like citizens reasonable expectations of privacy have been on a 11+ year severe and rapid decline, month by month.

    Must be an ever-growing Law School curriculum!

    If I were to be categorized, politically, it would likely be as a Constitutionalist. So thanks to you, for being what appears to be a believer, keeper, and Steward of our U.S. Constitution. As well, I sense, a stand-up Magistrate. I believe I would appreciate coming before your court . . on any matter.
    12-31-2012 12:03 PM
  18. ibcop's Avatar
    Want my phone? Say hello to Mr. Glock.....of course that being said if I could use it without putting anyone else in harms way. I love CCW's!!
    12-31-2012 12:45 PM
  19. ansextra's Avatar
    Have u heard of carbonite?? Awesone backup and protection software especially if u have a high value phone. It will lock out and locate the phone via gps.

    Sent from my ZTE N9120 using Android Central Forums
    I use Carbonite on my PC as well as my phone. I have it all set to wipe out my phone remotely if necessary. Great program!
    12-31-2012 01:12 PM
  20. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    My wife likes to put duct tape over my mouth . . . whenever we're golfing, or at a movie, or whilst shopping, or when having samples at a Sam's Clubs or Costco, or, or . . . . hmmmm, now that I think about it, it seems like . . .almost all the time. .
    I only remove the duct tape from his mouth when I want his opinion

    If for nothing else, WMD is great to locate your phone at home when it is in silent or the volume is low.

    Sent from my AT&T Samsung S3
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    12-31-2012 01:52 PM
  21. winmod21's Avatar
    I only remove the duct tape from his mouth when I want his opinion
    Sounds like a good idea. Sooner or later, most guys learn that, at the end of the day, they really only have two choices. They can either be right. Or they can be happy.

    If for nothing else, WMD is great to locate your phone at home when it is in silent or the volume is low.
    'WMD' ? . . . So we're talkin' Weapons of Mass Destruction now? Is that it? Seems a bit harsh, doesn't it, just to locate your phone?
    12-31-2012 06:20 PM
  22. ezlife's Avatar
    Million dollar idea. Someone should put a tazer into the cell phone. Even better if you can set it off remotely.
    12-31-2012 07:47 PM
  23. ezlife's Avatar
    Remember when kids used to get robbed for their shoes? Cell phones are way cooler.
    12-31-2012 07:48 PM
  24. funkylogik's Avatar
    I have duct tape on my boyfriend, but that is beside the point
    Ok Rarr

    MERRY XMAS!!!X
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    01-01-2013 04:31 AM
  25. funkylogik's Avatar
    Kelly does ur nickname reflect a western celtic ancestry, pal?

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    01-01-2013 04:35 AM
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