05-24-2013 08:59 PM
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  1. msndrstood's Avatar
    Some of us have mortgages and car payments. $650 for a phone upfront is crazy. Sorry, I'm not 25 with unlimited funds. This was a big disappointment for me.

    What?! ...I'm msndrstood.
    via Gnex
    Sophos likes this.
    05-17-2013 01:18 PM
  2. txtoast's Avatar
    Use your upgrade on an AT&T S4. Resell that when the Google one comes out to cover the extra cost. Problem solved!
    That's what I did. I used my upgrade to buy a discounted GS4 then sold it on eBay and used that money to buy the I9500 from Negri.

    Over the years I've also used my upgrades to get iPhones and sell them for full retail price on eBay. They sell for a lot and sell rather quickly.
    05-17-2013 02:14 PM
  3. jreacher's Avatar
    My take is that with the recent changes coming to Google Play Services it's not going to matter as much whether you're running stock or not anymore as far as updates are concerned, so this GE would be more of a special interest type of phone for developers. If it weren't for those changes my answer would be completely different. At least for now. Nobody knows for sure whether or not this is just a play/pause move by Google to put major OS updates on hold for a little while so they can sort out and consolidate some things. I wouldn't put it past them to use this move as a holding pattern so they can play wait-and-see what Apple's next move will be and then counter it.
    05-17-2013 07:01 PM
  4. XChrisX's Avatar
    I can't comment there. Sometimes it can be done but usually it takes some tweaking from the devs to get it to work.
    Sounds good. Now the decision is, do I pick this phone up, or wait a few more months, and get the Note 3. Hrmm.
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    05-17-2013 08:18 PM
  5. kjnangre's Avatar
    My take is that with the recent changes coming to Google Play Services it's not going to matter as much whether you're running stock or not anymore as far as updates are concerned
    Huh?? Which of the Google Play services is going to have any effect on how quickly Samsung releases software updates? Samsung software updates are slow cause they have to modify Touchwiz to work with the new OS version. This has nothing to do with Google Play services.

    Nobody knows for sure whether or not this is just a play/pause move by Google to put major OS updates on hold for a little while so they can sort out and consolidate some things.
    You think they released a new phone to avoid creating a software update? Once again, I don't see your logic. This would be like Microsoft stalling Windows 9 by releasing a PC. I don't see any link between the Google S4 and the Android release schedule whatsoever.

    I wouldn't put it past them to use this move as a holding pattern so they can play wait-and-see what Apple's next move will be and then counter it.
    I don't think Samsung is waiting for Apple to decide on their next product. Samsung is well past that stage.
    05-17-2013 11:21 PM
  6. Internet_Tough_Guy's Avatar
    Will ATT give you access to their LTE network without signing a contract?
    Yes. The contract is there so that they get their money back when they subsidize the cost of a new phone. LTE has nothing to do with contracts.

    Actually, they would love for you to be their customer without them having to give you a deeply discounted phone!
    haha, yeah. ATT will make you sign a 2-year contract even if you bring our own device. So basically you're overpaying for a phone you already own. If TMobile offers good coverage, you need to switch, it's just cheaper for comparable speeds and features
    05-18-2013 12:41 PM
  7. kjnangre's Avatar
    haha, yeah. ATT will make you sign a 2-year contract even if you bring our own device. So basically you're overpaying for a phone you already own. If TMobile offers good coverage, you need to switch, it's just cheaper for comparable speeds and features
    What?? AT&T will absolutely not make you sign a contract if you bring your own device.
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    05-18-2013 01:31 PM
  8. Wildo6882's Avatar
    What?? AT&T will absolutely not make you sign a contract if you bring your own device.
    Yeah I'm pretty sure they have month to month deals. You definitely won't get unlimited data, though.
    05-18-2013 03:03 PM
  9. jreacher's Avatar
    Huh?? Which of the Google Play services is going to have any effect on how quickly Samsung releases software updates? Samsung software updates are slow cause they have to modify Touchwiz to work with the new OS version. This has nothing to do with Google Play services.
    I think you misunderstood me. Google is moving the API's for all of it's core services like Now, Hangouts, Gmail, Search, Maps, Music, Play Store, and others I'm forgetting to mention out of the OS and into Google Play Services. So rather than having to update the OS itself to change how those all interact with the OS, they simply have to update the services themselves which will get pushed to your phone from Google, and not through Samsung (or other makers) or your carrier.

    basically all you really need Samsung and the carriers for now after they do this is tweaks to Touchwiz, not Android itself. It's a brilliant idea because it helps take some of the pain out of the android fragmentation criticisms. All phones can benefit from this new development at the same time now regardless of who they're made by or who your carrier is. It's not a 100% fix but it's a great start.

    So how this relates to my previous post is that owning a "pure android" phone isn't going to matter as heavily as it did in the past since Google intends to push a lot of the "updates" to Android through the Services that are on Android and how they interact with the OS rather than updating the OS itself. Google has stated they still intend to continue improving the OS like always but that we're not looking at any major sweeping changes such as the update from Gingerbread to ICS. I firmly believe this is a play/pause move by Google to allow more devices to all be under the Jellybean umbrella over the next year+ and get everything more consolidated before they decide to make any large significant changes to the OS. As always, things change, but for the short term, it looks like people buying from Samsung, HTC, etc rather than Nexus devices are going to experience less anxiety over delayed updates than ever before
    jdbii, zedorda and msndrstood like this.
    05-18-2013 03:13 PM
  10. return_0's Avatar
    I've never heard of an Android (or even iOS) release, either with vendor bloatware or without, that was perfect.
    Stock 4.1.2.

    Perfect IMO.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    05-18-2013 03:18 PM
  11. XChrisX's Avatar
    Yeah I'm pretty sure they have month to month deals. You definitely won't get unlimited data, though.
    Your plan won't change whatsoever. You can switch devices as often as you like, and your plan will stay the same. You will have to pay full price if you upgrade often, but your plan shouldn't be affected since you're buying off contract.
    05-18-2013 10:25 PM
  12. Wildo6882's Avatar
    Your plan won't change whatsoever. You can switch devices as often as you like, and your plan will stay the same. You will have to pay full price if you upgrade often, but your plan shouldn't be affected since you're buying off contract.
    Well I was meaning if you started up a new month to month deal. Which is what I was thinking about doing and switching from Verizon to AT&T. If you're already in AT&T then you can swap your phone with your Nexus S4 and nothing will change.
    05-18-2013 10:33 PM
  13. ItnStln's Avatar
    What?? AT&T will absolutely not make you sign a contract if you bring your own device.
    Yeah I'm pretty sure they have month to month deals. You definitely won't get unlimited data, though.
    Correct! I am on a month to month plan with AT&T. Same plans as those who get a subsidized phone, which sucks. But i can upgrade at any time.
    05-18-2013 10:40 PM
  14. jdbii's Avatar
    For this phone, do you think the carrier MVNO options are going to be the same as those available for the Nexus 4? I know it is Tmo and ATT network compatible out of the box, but does that mean all the prepaid MVNO options available to the Nexus 4 will also be available for this phone? (Solavei, Straight Talk, Net10, AIO Wireless, and so forth).
    05-18-2013 11:52 PM
  15. jokout1's Avatar
    While I'm sure i could be wrong here, but I find it hard to imagine that piece mealing bits and pieces of the Android operating system to older phones that were never designed for this may present sizable problems! I just can't imagine an original galaxy S handset being able to pull off some of the advanced features of todays premier phones! I am skeptical that mid-range smartphones with any age will handle this well! Apple can't even pull that one off with consistency and Ios hasn't changed significantly for some time now! Personally, I see this as another idea that Google is throwing out there to see how it actually works real world...If it works reasonably well, great, if it causes more issues we scrape it like sooo many ideas in the past and issue updates again! Most likely, the above posts are right on and this is a stop gap measure to buy some time for a later update to 5.0

    The idea of a "stock" Android GS4 is a bit puzzling to me...while the hardware is top of the line, it is the Touch Wiz software Samsung loads on the phone that sets it apart from anything else on the market! Love it or hate it, you have to admit that the preprietory features writen into Touch Wiz are the real draw here! I know there are those who like the idea of an unlocked GS4 for several reasons but I just don't see any mass appeal for this phone through Play Store at this price! But then again, that probably isn't the point!

    Cheers
    05-19-2013 12:57 PM
  16. kjnangre's Avatar
    you have to admit that the preprietory features writen into Touch Wiz are the real draw here!
    No, I don't have to admit that at all. I would have bought the S4, except I was turned off by all the Samsung software features, which I consider bloatware. Those "preprietory features" actually convinced me not to buy the phone. Now that Google has fixed that: great hardware without all the bloatware, I'm in.
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    05-19-2013 01:11 PM
  17. XChrisX's Avatar
    Well I was meaning if you started up a new month to month deal. Which is what I was thinking about doing and switching from Verizon to AT&T. If you're already in AT&T then you can swap your phone with your Nexus S4 and nothing will change.
    Ahh yeah OK. There's no real incentive to "bring your own device" to AT&T, as they will make you sign a 2 year contract regardless. But it is becoming increasing obvious with each release that T-Mobile, and AT&T are the carriers to go with if you want a decent Android/Nexus device.
    05-19-2013 07:04 PM
  18. Internet_Tough_Guy's Avatar
    Yeah I'm pretty sure they have month to month deals. You definitely won't get unlimited data, though.
    What?? AT&T will absolutely not make you sign a contract if you bring your own device.

    ops I did misinform this thread that if you bring an unlocked S4 to ATT, they will make you sign a 2-year contract. They will not make you sign a contract, but their rates would not be reduced, and you're effectively still paying for phone subsidies.

    sorry about this folks!
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    05-19-2013 07:38 PM
  19. Raptor007's Avatar
    I would have jumped on it IF they offered it in 32GB, yes it has the microSD but you still can't really install apps on the microSD and I prefer more internal storage. Still I would welcome the opportunity to flash the stock OS and see what it has to offer.
    05-24-2013 08:59 PM
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