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  1. dmmarck's Avatar
    The bootloader isn't locked until a developer can't get past it. I am sure there will be something extra we need to in ODIN to flash custom roms.
    Where it'll really come to play is support. It should get a ton, but as a few CM devs have stated, I think there's hesitancy that wasn't there with the GS3 release.
    04-25-2013 03:07 PM
  2. mrsroboto's Avatar
    I doubt this will be an issue for anyone who seriously wants to get around it.
    04-25-2013 03:14 PM
  3. gollum18's Avatar
    Not surprised considering their track record.

    Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2
    04-25-2013 05:06 PM
  4. Raptor007's Avatar
    I have happily contributed to past bounties for developers to support devices and I will do so again and quickly on the S4. The HTC One is nice, I will check it out, I mean you have to at least look at it. But I am pretty set on the GS4, I am not so much looking to get a new ROM, but to remove the friggin bloatware.
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    04-25-2013 09:11 PM
  5. jtc276's Avatar
    I have happily contributed to past bounties for developers to support devices and I will do so again and quickly on the S4. The HTC One is nice, I will check it out, I mean you have to at least look at it. But I am pretty set on the GS4, I am not so much looking to get a new ROM, but to remove the friggin bloatware.
    Definitely take a look at the One. I was nearly dead set against any HTC phone until I did. It was surprising how much I liked it and really how much HTC has improved Sense. It's ridiculously fluid, fast, sexy, and well implemented on top of Android. Not to say that the S4's TouchWiz isn't, but I read on XDA that leaving the Smart features on takes a large toll on the fluidity of the device which really sort of defeats the purpose of having them considering they're supposed to make the device easier to use. And, yeah, it's shallow of me, but the One is sexy as hell. I'm not a big fan of the button implementation, but I feel like I could get used to it easily. Even when I was trying it out in the store I was getting the hang of it. Anyway, I think the One and S4 are both great smartphones and I'd be happy to see someone with either of them over an iPhone. There doesn't need to be fanboys inside of Android who support specific phones and I don't plan on being one. I just really think that HTC came out ahead this year. That's all. Next year could be completely different.
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    04-25-2013 09:32 PM
  6. Podunks's Avatar
    I have happily contributed to past bounties for developers to support devices and I will do so again and quickly on the S4. The HTC One is nice, I will check it out, I mean you have to at least look at it. But I am pretty set on the GS4, I am not so much looking to get a new ROM, but to remove the friggin bloatware.
    That is exactly what I plan to do.

    Still wont consider a One. Heavier, smaller screen, less features, non-removable battery, no sd card-have to have this for movies!!!!

    One is in my opinion for the non tech savvy.
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    04-25-2013 10:20 PM
  7. dmmarck's Avatar
    That is exactly what I plan to do.

    Still wont consider a One. Heavier, smaller screen, less features, non-removable battery, no sd card-have to have this for movies!!!!

    One is in my opinion for the non tech savvy.
    lol that's a really, really, really bold assertion.
    04-25-2013 10:26 PM
  8. Raptor007's Avatar
    I don't think so. I will look at it, its free to look test and play but no decisions until the 32GB arrives, this also gives time for the community to root, remove bloatware and improve on the GS4 & HTC One.
    04-26-2013 12:42 PM
  9. EverNap's Avatar
    lol that's a really, really, really bold assertion.
    Haha... It seems like you don't agree, so do you mean that maybe 'the One is for Power users too', or that 'the One isn't even for the non tech savvy'? :P
    04-26-2013 12:57 PM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    lol that's a really, really, really bold assertion.
    Yeah it is. If he counts tech savy as sliding in a SD card or new battery... That's scary Lolol.

    Sent from my Sprint S3 using AC forums.
    04-26-2013 01:59 PM
  11. Podunks's Avatar
    Yeah it is. If he counts tech savy as sliding in a SD card or new battery... That's scary Lolol.

    Sent from my Sprint S3 using AC forums.
    I am a Sys Admin, I have a pretty firm grasp on tech savvy. Thanks.
    04-26-2013 03:51 PM
  12. Almeuit's Avatar
    I am a Sys Admin, I have a pretty firm grasp on tech savvy. Thanks.
    Just saying.. You justified it on those things and that was rather scary to me :P. I don't mean to insult.

    Sent from my Sprint S3 using AC forums.
    04-26-2013 04:12 PM
  13. scorpiodsu's Avatar
    Just saying.. You justified it on those things and that was rather scary to me :P. I don't mean to insult.

    Sent from my Sprint S3 using AC forums.
    People said the same stuff about iPhones because it is much more user friendly so therefore it's for people that are not tech savy. People say the wildest things sometimes Anyone can make something difficult where only a select few can use it but it takes someone extraordinary to take something difficult and make it so that anyone can use it.

    Take it from someone who runs an MIS team and can build complicated databases, write VBA/SQL code and advanced excel skills. But I guess I'm not tech savy because I use a One. I use to have an iPhone so I guess I'm just a dummy
    04-26-2013 04:47 PM
  14. Podunks's Avatar
    Just saying.. You justified it on those things and that was rather scary to me :P. I don't mean to insult.

    Sent from my Sprint S3 using AC forums.
    Hold up there cowboy, I never said those were the only reasons. Hey I even stated it was for the non-tech savvy in a separate paragraph if you want to get technical.

    So dont jump to conclusions. ;-)

    People said the same stuff about iPhones because it is much more user friendly so therefore it's for people that are not tech savy. People say the wildest things sometimes Anyone can make something difficult where only a select few can use it but it takes someone extraordinary to take something difficult and make it so that anyone can use it.

    Take it from someone who runs an MIS team and can build complicated databases, write VBA/SQL code and advanced excel skills. But I guess I'm not tech savy because I use a One. I use to have an iPhone so I guess I'm just a dummy

    Did I say you specifically were? I just stated overall it would be for the less technically skilled... People get their shorts in a bunch over the silliest things.
    04-26-2013 05:17 PM
  15. Raptor007's Avatar
    04-26-2013 07:03 PM
  16. chubb's Avatar
    It's not a matter of if a phone gets unlocked, it's a matter of when.

    Luckily, I don't have to pick between the two.
    Not every phone has had the bootloader unlocked
    04-26-2013 08:45 PM
  17. anon5664829's Avatar
    So who's going to take a nice walk to the HTC One forum with me? I'm sorry but I find this inexcusable. Samsung devices are known to have unlocked bootloaders on all carriers except for Verizon and now us AT&T users are being forced to deal with it. I enjoy custom roms. Not being able to install them is a huge issue for me. I know that eventually the bootloader will be unlocked, but it's possible that it could take months and, from what I'm told, AT&T has packed on the bloatware with the S4 in ways they never have on other devices. I've even seen some comments about the AT&T bloatware, along with Samsung's very own, actually bogging the device down. This is 2013 and I'm coming from a Nexus 4. Lag is inexcusable and, for me, a custom rom would be necessary almost immediately to improve the speed of the device if it really is that bogged down.

    I was heavily considering the HTC One and the S4. My plan was to simply walk into my local AT&T store and make a very subjective comparison between the One and the S4 on the spot. But now I don't even think I can do that. Any device with a locked bootloader does not deserve to be an Android device, in my opinion. Android is an open source operating system and there is nothing open source about locking a bootloader. In fact, it's nearly as despicable as what Apple does to their devices with each upgrade. And if Samsung is going to be the new Apple (if the locked bootloader is even Samsung's fault; it could easily have been forced on them by AT&T), I don't plan on purchasing any more of their devices.

    Anyway, I know this won't change the opinions of those who don't use custom roms (as far as I know, rooting is still possible with a locked bootloader), but it's a major deterrent to me. I haven't owned an Android device, other than my Nexus 7, that actually runs on its stock software. So, sorry S4 forum. I've been posting here a little and a ton on the S4 XDA forum since the S4's announcement. But this is pretty much it. I now don't think the S4 is the right phone for me and, if you're a fan of custom roms and development, it might also not be for you.

    Source:
    AT&T S4 MAY be bootloader locked. CONFIRMED according to Samsung - xda-developers
    Apple does nothing despicable. they upgrade the device every year and you can jailbreak if stock iOS is not enough.
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    04-26-2013 11:56 PM
  18. scorpiodsu's Avatar
    Hold up there cowboy, I never said those were the only reasons. Hey I even stated it was for the non-tech savvy in a separate paragraph if you want to get technical.

    So dont jump to conclusions. ;-)




    Did I say you specifically were? I just stated overall it would be for the less technically skilled... People get their shorts in a bunch over the silliest things.
    No but you made a silly generalization. But again, it's only your opinion. Not anything that carries any weight. I apologize for also having a weightless opinion.

    Sent from my HTC One using Android Central Forums
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    04-27-2013 12:00 AM
  19. scorpiodsu's Avatar
    Apple does nothing despicable. they upgrade the device every year and you can jailbreak if stock iOS is not enough.
    This is true. I don't know what apple does that's so despicable. The update the OS that blocks the exploit. Every iteration of android has to also reunlocked because the exploit is different. All these hatred toward any company is silly in my opinion especially since all of them have the same goal....make their wallets heavier and ours lighter.

    Sent from my HTC One using Android Central Forums
    04-27-2013 12:03 AM
  20. anon5664829's Avatar
    This is true. I don't know what apple does that's so despicable. The update the OS that blocks the exploit. Every iteration of android has to also reunlocked because the exploit is different. All these hatred toward any company is silly in my opinion especially since all of them have the same goal....make their wallets heavier and ours lighter.

    Sent from my HTC One using Android Central Forums
    Yeah so do I, I personally like iOS a lot- stock so I don't understand how there can be so much hate for a company. Samsung paid students to post bad review of the HTC One Apple has done nothing this despicable.
    04-27-2013 12:12 AM
  21. anon5664829's Avatar
    People said the same stuff about iPhones because it is much more user friendly so therefore it's for people that are not tech savy. People say the wildest things sometimes Anyone can make something difficult where only a select few can use it but it takes someone extraordinary to take something difficult and make it so that anyone can use it.

    Take it from someone who runs an MIS team and can build complicated databases, write VBA/SQL code and advanced excel skills. But I guess I'm not tech savy because I use a One. I use to have an iPhone so I guess I'm just a dummy
    I'm tech savvy and have a N4 and iPhone 5,does that make me really smart and really stupid?
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    04-27-2013 12:14 AM
  22. scorpiodsu's Avatar
    Yeah so do I, I personally like iOS a lot- stock so I don't understand how there can be so much hate for a company. Samsung paid students to post bad review of the HTC One Apple has done nothing this despicable.
    Yeah I have no harsh feelings towards any of them. There are things I like and dislike about all but some things people say about any of them is wild. You'd think Steve Jobs personally punched a couple of people in the face on here lol.

    Sent from my HTC One using Android Central Forums
    04-27-2013 12:15 AM
  23. anon5664829's Avatar
    Yeah I have no harsh feelings towards any of them. There are things I like and dislike about all but some things people say about any of them is wild. You'd think Steve Jobs personally punched a couple of people in the face on here lol.

    Sent from my HTC One using Android Central Forums
    LOL yeah some people are acting like Steve jobs personally hit them or was personally a jerk to them.
    04-27-2013 12:29 AM
  24. jtc276's Avatar
    Apple does nothing despicable. they upgrade the device every year and you can jailbreak if stock iOS is not enough.
    Ok. Maybe that was a bit of a bold assertion. I have the newest iPad (iPad 4, I guess) and I love it. I'm also going to be purchasing a Mac Mini in the very near future. But I could never own an iPhone and be satisfied. I hate that default programs can't be set for things such as browsers and the inability to download files from the browser is pretty terribe. I've jailbroken my iPad and gained these abilities, but it's still annoying that two aspects of Android that have become so commonplace to me simply don't exist on iOS.

    Oh, and I should probably justify them purchase of my iPad so I don't sound like a hypocrite. I first purchased a Nexus 10. It had chronic light bleed and extreme lag so I exchanged it for another. The replacement also had terrible light bleed and lag. Fed up with the quality control issues and the fact that no one on XDA seemed to have one without some sort of issue, I bought a device that I knew probably wouldn't have any issues. And really, my iPad works perfectly for me. It has dedicated tablet apps that Android currently can't compete with and the browsing is wonderful on Chrome. None of the shortcomings of iOS bother me on the iPad because I'm not a power user when it comes to tablets. Smartphones, however...well, I don't see myself using a phone that doesn't run on Android for a very long time.
    04-27-2013 01:16 AM
  25. anon5664829's Avatar
    Ok. Maybe that was a bit of a bold assertion. I have the newest iPad (iPad 4, I guess) and I love it. I'm also going to be purchasing a Mac Mini in the very near future. But I could never own an iPhone and be satisfied. I hate that default programs can't be set for things such as browsers and the inability to download files from the browser is pretty terribe. I've jailbroken my iPad and gained these abilities, but it's still annoying that two aspects of Android that have become so commonplace to me simply don't exist on iOS.

    Oh, and I should probably justify them purchase of my iPad so I don't sound like a hypocrite. I first purchased a Nexus 10. It had chronic light bleed and extreme lag so I exchanged it for another. The replacement also had terrible light bleed and lag. Fed up with the quality control issues and the fact that no one on XDA seemed to have one without some sort of issue, I bought a device that I knew probably wouldn't have any issues. And really, my iPad works perfectly for me. It has dedicated tablet apps that Android currently can't compete with and the browsing is wonderful on Chrome. None of the shortcomings of iOS bother me on the iPad because I'm not a power user when it comes to tablets. Smartphones, however...well, I don't see myself using a phone that doesn't run on Android for a very long time.
    Agreed, iOS is awesome on tablets.

    Although regarding the iPhone, I have an iPhone 5 and N4 and to me Android does all the things iOS does quicker. So I don't mind iOS on phones too much since I have a N4 as well.

    Apparently IOS 7 is gonna be a revamp you should keep a lookout on it because the guy responsible for locking down iOS so much had been fired last year.
    And yes the latest iPad is the fourth gen.
    04-27-2013 01:31 AM
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