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  1. Imnutsnj's Avatar
    They are going to kiss and make up with Apple and run iOS. Well, that's almost as likely
    Lol Mikelip

    After seeing Tizen at MWC, Samsung would be committing suicide if it switched to Tizen. The software is slow and lags severely. I keep hearing that it's still early in development but it's been in development for over two years, so it has a long way to go before it could even begin to threaten Android. Ubuntu, however, looks sweet.

    Sent from my Jelly Bean flavored HTC DROID DNA
    03-02-2013 08:59 AM
  2. TheLibertarian's Avatar
    No.

    Apparently Samsung is moving away from Android and the S4 may be the first phone to say goodbye to Android.

    Samsung Galaxy S4 Smartphone to Run Tizen OS?
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    03-02-2013 04:48 PM
  3. zippero's Avatar
    There's OPEN WARFARE now between Samsung and Google, according to articles in the past week in the WSJ, Forbes, and every other major media you can think of. Hell, I didn't even know until the WSJ printed it that Android inventor and Google VP Andy Rubin was openly calling Samsung a threat since last fall and had called a meeting of Google's top brass to discuss Google's growing "Samsung threat." This is exactly what I've been saying all along! Samsung's $15 billion advertising budget is geared toward promoting the "Galaxy" brand and not the "Android" brand. The fatal flaw in the Samsung-Google partnership has always simply been that it's a PARTNERSHIP, and recall from your Business 101 class that most business partnerships usually fail. Samsung Galaxy phones all get TouchWiz which will also appear on Tizen Galaxy phones that run all the same Android apps, and most consumers won't know the difference (except they'll be buying Android apps from Samsung's app store rather than Google's). Additionally, Samsung's web services like Music Hub increasingly compete for screen space with Google's apps and services, and Samsung will of course favor its own apps and services. I know you're saying right now all of Google's search, apps and services are indispensable on any phone, but you'd be wrong. This is because Google already pays Apple a crazy 75% cut of its cash-cow Google Search revenues on iOS devices, according to Morgan Stanley. According to the WSJ, Samsung currently gets only a 10% cut of Google's search revenues on its Android devices, so even on Google's cash-cow search, Samsung's eventually going to ask for an Apple-like 75% cut, too. Then, you'll have this utterly bizarre situation: Google already gives Android to Samsung for free but then, on top of that, will start paying Samsung a 75% cut of all its Google Search revenues generated on Samsung's smartphones. Google's whole Android strategy rested on the erroneous belief that Google could make profit later on Android through mobile Google Search and other mobile Google services on Samsung's and others' Android devices, but this entire Google mobile strategy collapses the moment Samsung asks for its 75% cut of Google's mobile search revenues, too, as the WSJ reported it has already asked Google to do. Thus, Google's whole mobile strategy is a failure, and Google's stuck on the dying desktop where it was born, while Samsung and Apple milk the bulk of Google's search revenues on mobile devices. Because of this as well as Tizen and Samsung's marketing power, Samsung has Google firmly by the balls. No wonder Andy Rubin fears Samsung. Google's X-Phone could be superior to the best Samsung phone in every respect, but it just doesn't matter because Google lacks Samsung's manufacturing and marketing scale, which are unrivaled in the world. Google has no choice but to pay both Apple and Samsung a 75% cut of all Google Search revenues generated on their devices. It never had to pay PC makers like Dell and HP any such portions of its search revenues back in the PC age where Google initially found success and became a big company, but in the mobile world, Apple and Samsung have more leverage.
    03-03-2013 02:25 AM
  4. zippero's Avatar
    There's a good chance that Google's X-Phone will undercut Samsung's Galaxy S4 on price. It'll have Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie but be cheaper than the Galaxy S4. It'll also have unique features like a Kevlar body and awesome battery life. This is all to get people to put off purchasing the Galaxy S4 in favor of the X-Phone that'll come out just 1-2 months later. Will it work? Probably not, but Google has no choice but to try.
    03-04-2013 10:52 AM
  5. NoYankees44's Avatar
    There's a good chance that Google's X-Phone will undercut Samsung's Galaxy S4 on price. It'll have Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie but be cheaper than the Galaxy S4. It'll also have unique features like a Kevlar body and awesome battery life. This is all to get people to put off purchasing the Galaxy S4 in favor of the X-Phone that'll come out just 1-2 months later. Will it work? Probably not, but Google has no choice but to try.
    We don't know anything about the xphone. All of that is speculation because of moto making it. Know one knows. Plus Google just made comments that elude that the xphone is nothing special and it was being developed before Google acquired moto.

    Once again you are making wild claims based on pure speculation.

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    03-04-2013 11:53 AM
  6. zippero's Avatar
    Samsung wasn't happy with Google's pricing the Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 devices at cost, which hurt not only Amazon (the target) but also Samsung. According to the WSJ, Andy Rubin is actively and openly rooting for HTC, Asus, etc. to start giving Samsung some real competition in the Android device world. Given Rubin is doing this, why not urge Motorola to do the same thing since Motorola is a part of Google itself? As I said earlier, the X-Phone is bound to fail, but there's no doubt The X-Phone will try to defeat the Galaxy S4 using all the tools available, including Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie pre-installed and a Nexus-like pricing policy to undercut the Galaxy S4.
    03-04-2013 12:58 PM
  7. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Samsung wasn't happy with Google's pricing the Nexus 7 and Nexus 4 devices at cost, which hurt not only Amazon (the target) but also Samsung. According to the WSJ, Andy Rubin is actively and openly rooting for HTC, Asus, etc. to start giving Samsung some real competition in the Android device world. Given Rubin is doing this, why not urge Motorola to do the same thing since Motorola is a part of Google itself? As I said earlier, the X-Phone is bound to fail, but there's no doubt The X-Phone will try to defeat the Galaxy S4 using all the tools available, including Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie pre-installed and a Nexus-like pricing policy to undercut the Galaxy S4.
    I wouldn't be so sure about the device's failure when there's almost nothing known about it.
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    03-04-2013 07:40 PM
  8. SpiralBorg's Avatar
    Maybe, later Galaxy Models will run Tizen.
    But I think its too much of a risk to run a under-developed OS on a extremely hyped phone.

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    03-10-2013 06:40 PM
  9. mssca's Avatar
    I hope those leaked images of what "appeared" to be S4s.... Some of them shows 4.1.2 as the OS. Hopefully it is running Android OS.
    03-10-2013 10:08 PM
  10. SpiralBorg's Avatar
    If it says that, its most likely Android Jelly Bean.
    The S4 probably wouldn't run an new OS, with low-app support.

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    03-14-2013 05:35 AM
  11. Rob F1's Avatar
    I do think Google needs to worry more about Tizen in the future ...

    Samsung says they will not break completely from Android- but OF COURSE they are saying that - afterall, they still need Android for awhile until Tizen ( which is much like Andriod and is unix based ) bugs get worked out & it's use becomes more widespread in Asia. In Asian countries it seems Samsung aspires to become the 'new Android'.. with other companies using Tizen ( instead of Android ) and paying Samsung instead of Google. People wonder why Apple and MS have been so strict.. If Google gets screwed here and left behind in 5 years will Google be feeling the sting now ? It only took Android about 5 years to become big - And Android was also buggy, slow growing at first.. If anyone thinks Samsung can't pull off Tizen as being the Asian Android in 5 or 6 years - they are nuts !!

    The first Galaxy came out 2 years after the iPhone and Samsung lovers scoff at the idea Samsung stole some 'ideas' from the iPhone.. now Samsung steals 'ideas' from Google as well on how to implement a nearly perfect smartphone OS... will you all scoff at Google if they try and sue later?

    Funny how American's have less jobs and less money and they wonder why... They support foreign things and buy phones from Koreans who eat dogs, don't really care for Americans - but will gladly take your cash !

    What most on these forums argue is Apple versus Android, but what this is really about is its about American capitalism getting crushed by Asian companies - and funny enough the Americans help themselves become a poorer place to live with each passing year. They don't understand the Asian companies they support take more money away from the country they live in because it obviously goes somewhere else. WE also live in an age where intellectual theft is happening more and more - especially from Asian countries which are hacking into American computers of corporations.

    I think Google will end up in trouble in 5 or 6 years because of Tizen. They'll be on a list of American companies that ended up in trouble with shrinking profits. Google, much like Apple and MS got somewhere because they innovated and changed the world. Unfortunately those companies often end up not supported by the people that live in America after their intellectual property & ideas are stolen and taken elsewhere..
    03-14-2013 03:18 PM
  12. Rob F1's Avatar
    I don't see that happening, they've got too much invested in Android to leave them IMO.
    I do think Google needs to worry more about Tizen in the future ...

    Samsung says they will not break completely from Android - OF COURSE they are saying that ! - afterall, Samsung still needs Android for few years until Tizen ( which is much like Android and is unix based ) can grow and become viable. In the meantime they will use Android to sell phones !! DUH !! In Asian countries it seems Samsung aspires to become the 'new Android'.. with other companies using Tizen ( instead of Android ) and paying Samsung instead of Google. People wonder why Apple and MS have been so strict.. If Google gets screwed here and left behind in 5 years will Google be feeling the sting now ?

    I mean - It only took Android about 5 years to become big - And Android was also buggy at first & slow growing at first.. If anyone thinks Samsung can't pull off Tizen as being the Asian Android in 5 or 6 years - they are nuts !! In the meantime they will publicly say they aren't leaving Android behind.. Yet Tizen phones will be coming out and the Galaxy in 2014 will likely have Tizen as an OS... ALTHOUGH they might sell more Android Phones for years to come.. they offer flavors of both until they can dump ANDROID...

    Afterall this is really about Samsung not wanting to answer to Google.. and wanting all the profits - they will eventually leave Adnroid ..

    The first Galaxy came out 2 years after the iPhone and Samsung lovers scoff at the idea Samsung stole some 'ideas' from the iPhone.. now Samsung steals 'ideas' from Google as well on how to implement a nearly perfect smartphone OS... will you all scoff at Google if they try and sue later?

    Funny how American's have less jobs and less money and they wonder why... They support foreign things and buy phones from Koreans who eat dogs, don't really care for Americans - but will gladly take your cash !

    What most on these forums argue is Apple versus Android, but what this is really about is its about American capitalism getting crushed by Asian companies - and funny enough the Americans help themselves become a poorer place to live with each passing year. They don't understand the Asian companies they support take more money away from the country they live in because it obviously goes somewhere else. WE also live in an age where intellectual theft is happening more and more - especially from Asian countries which are hacking into American computers of corporations.

    I think Google will end up in trouble in 5 or 6 years because of Tizen. They'll be on a list of American companies that ended up in trouble with shrinking profits. Google, much like Apple and MS got somewhere because they innovated and changed the world. Unfortunately those companies often end up not supported by the people that live in America after their intellectual property & ideas are stolen and taken elsewhere..
    03-14-2013 03:28 PM
  13. NoYankees44's Avatar
    Well s4 is running android. End thread

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    03-14-2013 11:31 PM
  14. zippero's Avatar
    Galaxy S4's new software/services features like Samsung Hub, S Voice Drive, S Translate, etc. that compete directly with Google apps for screen space and The S4's complete de-emphasis of Android are a precursor to Samsung's ultra-high end Tizen device coming out in August with the S4's TouchWiz and better specs than the S4, which was also announced yesterday by Samsung just 2 hours after the S4's launch. "It almost feels like Samsung is trying to set up Tizen as its next OS instead of Android," said Strategy Analytics analyst, Kevin Burden (Apple reels as Samsung launches Galaxy S4? | Computerworld Blogs).

    Samsung doesn't really want the Galaxy S4 to succeed this year. Episode 2 of Samsung's events this year is Tizen phone, which is Samsung's long-term future. A few months of poor S4 sales is worth it to ensure Samsung's bright Tizen future for the next decade.

    X-Phone was leaked by Google a few days before the S4's launch, trying to steal its thunder. It'll come pre-installed with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie to be announced in May. Samsung know its S4 has a 1 year old Jellybean OS and can't compete, but at this stage it can't be helped. It doesn't expect big S4 sales. It's just preparing Tizen phone with Super AMOLED Full HD Plus flexible screen for August. Samsung doesn't care about Android anymore. Google doesn't either as it's trying to have its proprietary Chrome OS supplant it on mobile devices. Open source Android has been a money hole that has enriched Samsung but not itself. Andy Rubin's been replaced by Chrome OS head Sundar Pichai as the head of Android.
    03-16-2013 02:18 PM
  15. djw39's Avatar
    Samsung doesn't really want the Galaxy S4 to succeed this year.
    Wow... what a twisted view of the world
    03-16-2013 04:19 PM
  16. zippero's Avatar
    Everyone's abandoning Android this year. First, Samsung because it's moving to Tizen and wants its own ecosystem more and more to earn Apple-like profits. Second, Google because Android's been a humongous money pit that's only enriched Samsung and it has far greater control over its Chrome OS and thus has much greater profit potential.
    03-16-2013 05:49 PM
  17. zippero's Avatar
    Samsung official calls Android "fragmented": Samsung bolsters BYOD management with a Fort Knox approach - Computerworld

    Samsung Mobile EVP Lee Young Hee announces 2 hours after the Galaxy S4's launch that Samsung's new Tizen phone "will be in the high-end category" and "the best product equipped with best specifications." See Samsung plans high-end Tizen OS phone - ComputerworldUK.com and Samsung Galaxy S4 Successor Confirmed for August Launch?

    "Best specifications" means better specs than on the S4 to attract the fandroids. Tizen is Samsung's future. The Galaxy S4 is the last of the Galaxy line to run Android, so why would anyone buy it? The future is all Tizen. Americans love Samsung Galaxy Tizen phones running all Android apps + incredible HTML5 apps without all the Google spyware pre-installed. Without Samsung, Android goes on life support as it must rely on the manufacturing- and marketing-challenged trio of HTC, Motorola, and LG, who all share the distinction of being profitless. Google has owned Motorola for over a year now, and Motorola is still a joke. If Google bought up HTC, LG, and Sony and combined all their manufacturing facilities with Motorola's and then covertly cloned Tim Cook to manage the supply chain, Google might have a chance against Samsung, but even with its deep pockets, manufacturing is just not in Google's DNA, so Google entire mobile strategy is vaporized by Samsung overnight.
    03-17-2013 09:36 PM
  18. lou61166's Avatar
    Samsung official calls Android "fragmented": Samsung bolsters BYOD management with a Fort Knox approach - Computerworld

    Samsung Mobile EVP Lee Young Hee announces 2 hours after the Galaxy S4's launch that Samsung's new Tizen phone "will be in the high-end category" and "the best product equipped with best specifications." See Samsung Galaxy S4 Successor Confirmed for August Launch?

    "Best specifications" means better specs than on the S4 to attract the fandroids. Tizen is Samsung's future. Americans love Samsung Galaxy Tizen phones running all Android apps + incredible HTML5 apps without all the Google spyware pre-installed. Without Samsung, Android goes on life support as it must rely on the manufacturing- and marketing-challenged trio of HTC, Motorola, and LG, who all share the distinction of being profitless. Google has owned Motorola for over a year now, and Motorola is still a joke. If Google bought up HTC, LG, and Sony and combined all their manufacturing facilities with Motorola's and then covertly cloned Tim Cook to manage the supply chain, Google might have a chance against Samsung, but even with its deep pockets, manufacturing is just not in Google's DNA, so Google entire mobile strategy is vaporized by Samsung overnight.
    Funny how Google is the most valuable company in terms of stock values,saying Samsung could put google out of business is a bold statement,if Samsung wants to be an Apple like full control company so be it,what made Android successful was the users ability to customize the experience,not Samsung as a whole.i am starting to see Samsung Fanboys are just as bad as Apples.
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    03-17-2013 09:54 PM
  19. zippero's Avatar
    Google's market cap is much lower than Apple's and just slightly higher than Samsung's. It still gets 95% of its revenues from desktop search ads, while it pays Apple a 75% cut of all Google search revenues on iOS devices and Samsung just asked for a similar cut on its devices above the 10% it currently gets. Google never had to pay Dell or HP a cut of its search revenues on the desktop, but in the mobile world, Apple and Samsung have all the leverage. Google's business model is sustainable only in a world where people are still mostly using desktops to access the Internet, but Apple's and Samsung's devices take people away from the desktop and get big cuts of whatever search revenues Google does get from mobile search. Google's main search business model is still as stuck in the desktop world as Microsoft's Windows and Office businesses. Even with 75% Android market share, Google gets most of its mobile search revenues from iOS users because Android phone buyers just bought their phones because they were the cheapest available. Such price-sensitive customers don't get data plans so don't do much surfing or clicking on Google's mobile ads or buying apps or engaging in e-commerce in general. Their Android phones which still run mostly Android 2.3 Gingerbread or even Froyo (according to Google Play's own monthly stats) are basically feature phones with touchscreens. Google doesn't make anything from such low-income users, and these low-income Android phone buyers weren't the ones Google had in mind when it launched Android 5 years ago, though it should have known better because its open and "free" Android OS ethos infected and led every Android user to believe everything on the Internet and every app and game was free forever so let's never actually pay Google a dime for anything. iOS users are still where the actual money is at; thus, both Google and Samsung come out with high-end phones to try to convince some of these iPhone users to switch. But Google and Samsung each has its own agenda at the end of the day and increasingly don't see anymore value in their partnership and will go their separate ways, for better or for worse. Hubris and greed will drive Samsung to enter software and Google to enter hardware, but both will fall on their faces. Tragedies can't be stopped because human nature is human nature and they each want more, more, more than what they already have in their pursuit of becoming the next half-trillion dollar company like Apple. Samsung defeats Google first because it has unrivaled manufacturing and marketing scale and know-how, but then Samsung falls to Apple because nativist Samsung has no clue about how to run an ecosystem for the world. They can't even fix their broken English in their manuals, and people don't want to have to send their broken Galaxies to Koreatown in New Jersey for 3-4 weeks at a time at their own expense for service. Between Samsung's Tizen ecosystem (which will support legacy Android apps) and Apple's iOS ecosystem, it's clear which one most people around the world will pick. It's an ecosystem war and Samsung's will be extremely inferior, not from a technical standpoint but from a management and governance standpoint.
    03-17-2013 10:09 PM
  20. zapfrog's Avatar
    Damn! This guy just won't quit. He'll be proven wrong but it's funny to watch him huff and puff his viewpoints.

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    03-20-2013 11:36 AM
  21. omniusovermind's Avatar
    Google could easily put Samsung in their place by using their considerable wealth to stomp Samsung's advertising budget if they get the motivation to do so. They could also leverage Google Search which pretty much everyone uses to plaster their own smartphone ads all over the place. I have no concerns at all that Samsung will "steal android mindshare away" from Google so to speak. Google will also probably start bringing Chrome OS and Android closer together (just my guess) for a more diverse ecosystem. Samsung doesn't have a desktop OS. Samsung also doesn't have Google services to call their very own like Maps, Gmail etc. They're using Google's. Just ask BB10 and WP8 users how much fun they're having with the fact that Google isn't giving them official maps/nav app support. Luckily for MS Nokia Drive is actually pretty good (except in some countries outside of Europe/NA). BB10's native maps/nav app sucks even more than iPhone's "mapgate" debacle.
    03-20-2013 10:13 PM
  22. zapfrog's Avatar
    Let's see we've had the PalmOS, Bada, Ubuntu, Meego all of which everyone said was going to be the next big thing. BlackBerry was on top until they crumbled after ios came out, and now both Blackberry and WindowsOS are struggling. I highly doubt a new os even if it is backed by Samsung will gain any traction.

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    03-21-2013 12:48 PM
  23. zapfrog's Avatar
    Here's a very good article from Forbes on tizen:
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspen...gainst-google/
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    03-21-2013 01:33 PM
  24. zippero's Avatar
    Samsung has been the muscle behind Android, and without Samsung, there's no other Android phone manufacturer that can compete, not even Google's hapless, profitless Motorola and its stupid-looking X-Phone, which is already a huge disappointment. Without Samsung, Android truly is on life support, as Samsung is asking for an Apple-like, 75% cut of Google's cash-cow search revenues on Samsung's mobile devices and Samsung will steal and co-opt the entire Android ecosystem from underneath Google anyway because Tizen easily runs all Android apps. The once-junior partner Samsung is now the senior partner, and it's no wonder Andy Rubin got axed for letting this happen.
    03-22-2013 12:06 PM
  25. Mooem's Avatar
    Samsung has been the muscle behind Android, and without Samsung, there's no other Android phone manufacturer that can compete, not even Google's hapless, profitless Motorola and its stupid-looking X-Phone, which is already a huge disappointment. Without Samsung, Android truly is on life support, as Samsung is asking for an Apple-like, 75% cut of Google's cash-cow search revenues on Samsung's mobile devices and Samsung will steal and co-opt the entire Android ecosystem from underneath Google anyway because Tizen easily runs all Android apps. The once-junior partner Samsung is now the senior partner, and it's no wonder Andy Rubin got axed for letting this happen.
    03-22-2013 12:14 PM
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