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  1. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Here is another pic still in 3d

    From my Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk
    That's not looking too bad.

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    03-27-2013 09:49 PM
  2. bboy2143's Avatar
    Here is another pic still in 3d

    From my Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk
    Play avatar on that. = win

    Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk 2
    03-27-2013 10:12 PM
  3. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Play avatar on that. = win

    Sent from my SGH-I747M using Tapatalk 2
    Avatar is the only movie that looked good with 3D.

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    03-27-2013 10:14 PM
  4. bboy2143's Avatar
    Agreed. So much blue hah

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    03-27-2013 10:27 PM
  5. SenseMonkey's Avatar
    What exactly does having a pentile arrangement do? I know it's different then rgb but what does it do? Better color saturation?

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    03-28-2013 06:38 AM
  6. androidluvr2's Avatar
    Agree. People just like to complain, just like the "cheap plastic" arguments
    It is just another personal preference. There is nothing wrong with preferring metal to plastic. I have a GNex and what bothers me about the plastic is how slippery it is. It requires that I use a case. It would be nice to have the option of not using a case, but the phone is too slippery for me to feel comfortable using it without a case.
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    03-28-2013 06:53 AM
  7. MikeLip's Avatar
    It is just another personal preference. There is nothing wrong with preferring metal to plastic. I have a GNex and what bothers me about the plastic is how slippery it is. It requires that I use a case. It would be nice to have the option of not using a case, but the phone is too slippery for me to feel comfortable using it without a case.
    I had the DNA for a short time, which from what I've seen is pretty much shaped the same way as the One, and was not plastic. I have to admit that it felt better in the hand than the S3. But the S3 doesn't feel cheap compared to it, just different. Definitely it feels smaller and lighter. Some people will prefer the HTC, others the Samsung. Makes no real difference. You'll get a sweet phone either way.
    03-28-2013 07:07 AM
  8. nancybout's Avatar
    I'm actually looking since this is bought up lol. I see nothing and have perfect vision. Not w the g4,but the note 2. I figured it had to be similar lol

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    03-28-2013 07:10 AM
  9. androidluvr2's Avatar
    What exactly does having a pentile arrangement do? I know it's different then rgb but what does it do? Better color saturation?
    For any given brightness, lower power consumption. And for any given number of subpixels, higher resolution.
    03-28-2013 07:30 AM
  10. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    It is just another personal preference.
    Yes, but some people act like because they say metal is better that it makes it true. They take it beyond being a preference and turn it into a fact war.
    03-28-2013 09:46 AM
  11. androidluvr2's Avatar
    fact war.
    well plastic is cheaper.
    03-28-2013 09:52 AM
  12. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    well plastic is cheaper.
    Price-wise, but as can be seen not really quality-wise. (Depends on the plastic as there are many different kinds.)
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    03-28-2013 09:56 AM
  13. DroidXcon's Avatar
    What exactly does having a pentile arrangement do? I know it's different then rgb but what does it do? Better color saturation?

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    OLED materials are still in development., in the early 90s a red material would be activated and die(or degrade) within seconds. Now red materials live millions of hours , while green lasts less longer and Blue degrades the fastest.

    In an RGB layout all subpixels are of equal size so if a certain color degrades faster it would be noticeable. Think of it like red green and Blue are each a tank of gas . Red tank would stay full the longest and Blue may run out of gas long before the other two.

    With pentile they were able to make different size subpixels instead of being uniform like in an RGB layout. So basically giving blue a bigger gas tank so it would go longer to keep up with red and green.

    Since increasing the size of blue subpixel left obvious gaps they compensated by splitting up green and filling gaps this Became known as a RGBG layout.

    Then then the next question would be why were they able to use rgb on the note 2. Since the resolution was only 720p they were able to use larger size pixels.

    But in order to do 1080p they would need to reduce the size of the subpixels which caused the original problem of blue dying quickly(the whole small tank analogy).

    With the S4 they configured the subpixels differently to fillin more gaps and create a higher resolution while protecting the lifetime of each color.

    I hope this makes sense I broke it down as simple as I could think of it.


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    03-28-2013 09:56 AM
  14. androidluvr2's Avatar
    I hope this makes sense I broke it down as simple as I could think of it.
    Ok, but is what I said true about pentile v. RGB?

    For any given brightness, lower power consumption. And for any given number of subpixels, higher resolution.
    03-28-2013 10:06 AM
  15. warpdrive's Avatar
    OLED materials are still in development., in the early 90s a red material would be activated and die(or degrade) within seconds. Now red materials live millions of hours , while green lasts less longer and Blue degrades the fastest.

    In an RGB layout all subpixels are of equal size so if a certain color degrades faster it would be noticeable. Think of it like red green and Blue are each a tank of gas . Red tank would stay full the longest and Blue may run out of gas long before the other two.

    With pentile they were able to make different size subpixels instead of being uniform like in an RGB layout. So basically giving blue a bigger gas tank so it would go longer to keep up with red and green.

    Since increasing the size of blue subpixel left obvious gaps they compensated by splitting up green and filling gaps this Became known as a RGBG layout.

    Then then the next question would be why were they able to use rgb on the note 2. Since the resolution was only 720p they were able to use larger size pixels.

    But in order to do 1080p they would need to reduce the size of the subpixels which caused the original problem of blue dying quickly(the whole small tank analogy).

    With the S4 they configured the subpixels differently to fillin more gaps and create a higher resolution while protecting the lifetime of each color.

    I hope this makes sense I broke it down as simple as I could think of it.


    From my Galaxy Note 2 via Tapatalk

    Boy, you have taught me more about OLED in the past two weeks...
    A big thanks goes out to you.

    Harry
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    03-28-2013 10:14 AM
  16. DroidXcon's Avatar
    Ok, but is what I said true about pentile v. RGB?

    For any given brightness, lower power consumption. And for any given number of subpixels, higher resolution.
    Yes because since green pixels are more efficient and more abundant you can receive a brighter image without cranking up the power.

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    03-28-2013 10:21 AM
  17. androidluvr2's Avatar
    Yes because since green pixels are more efficient and more abundant you can receive a brighter image without cranking up the power.
    What about the second part - for any given number of subpixels, higher resolution. I wasn't sure if that was correct, but I read it on a manufacturer's website so I thought it had to be.

    Here is where I read it
    Pentile Technology - What Does It Do?
    03-28-2013 10:32 AM
  18. Love Divine's Avatar
    Pentile also brings with it a noticeable decrease in sharpness (less subpixels per inch). It is still apparent (admittedly only with close observation) that the S4 is not as sharp compared to its 1080p LCD peers. Check out the phone arena comparisons. Not as bad as the SIII (which looked pretty bad in comparison) but the problem is still there.



    They have a zoomed in comparison on their page as well. The problem is much more apparent there. Still, don't think this will be too visible in everyday use.
    03-28-2013 10:54 AM
  19. androidluvr2's Avatar
    I also notice on my GNex that whites look bluish when viewed from an angle but not when viewed straight on. What causes that effect?
    03-28-2013 10:59 AM
  20. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Pentile also brings with it a noticeable decrease in sharpness (less subpixels per inch). It is still apparent (admittedly only with close observation) that the S4 is not as sharp compared to its 1080p LCD peers. Check out the phone arena comparisons. Not as bad as the SIII (which looked pretty bad in comparison) but the problem is still there.

    http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/r...-galaxy-s4.jpg

    They have a zoomed in comparison on their page as well. The problem is much more apparent there. Still, don't think this will be too visible in everyday use.
    Good enough for me. To me the One only wins by a small amount overall with the Xperiz in a close second.and the S4 in a close third.
    03-28-2013 11:34 AM
  21. DroidXcon's Avatar
    What about the second part - for any given number of subpixels, higher resolution. I wasn't sure if that was correct, but I read it on a manufacturer's website so I thought it had to be.

    Here is where I read it
    Pentile Technology - What Does It Do?
    I think since they are talking about RGBW in that article and not RGBG that same principle does not apply.

    I also notice on my GNex that whites look bluish when viewed from an angle but when viewed straight on. What causes that effect?
    I am not a display expert nor am I privy to Samsungs device structures or materials they use. I am on the team that Develops phosphorus OLED molecules and structures. So ill tell you what may be the reasons.
    1. Since blue degrades the quickest (as mentioned earlier in the thread) they not only make it the largest subpixel but they also optimize the screen to accommodate it. So in the earlier screens white has bluish tint in general.
    2. There is something called angular dependency. Color can shift at certain angles depending on the substrate they are grown on, and the optics they use to deliver light emission(even clear screen protectors can effect optics). This dependence can be reduced by adjusting thickness layers of material around the emissive layers of OLEDs. I don't think Samsung is concerned with angular dependency as they are with material lifetime.

    But all devices suffer from these dependencies on some level. LCDs get dark depending on the viewing angle.

    Like I said I don't know details about samsungs display structures so I can answer that question with any type of certainty



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    03-28-2013 12:46 PM
  22. MikeLip's Avatar
    This has gone from being an acrimonious attack on the S4 display to getting pretty educational and interesting - an utter reversal of the usual Internet discussion group thread evolution (devolution?). Awesome
    03-28-2013 01:00 PM
  23. TheOtherBill's Avatar
    Educational in several respects - this is the thread that made me go to the trouble of learning how to use the ignore list
    03-28-2013 08:11 PM
  24. androidluvr2's Avatar
    how to use the ignore list
    How?
    03-28-2013 08:15 PM
  25. TheOtherBill's Avatar
    Under Settings, go to My Account (in the left margin) and under there is Edit Ignore List.
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    03-28-2013 08:21 PM
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