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  1. Farish's Avatar
    No it's not. Real historical data is one of the tools that they use. [FONT=verdana]The JP Morgan report never says what the final sales figures will be. They are only stating that sales are falling. No theories there. You are correct that analysts may amend their forecasts, for better or worse. When and IF that ever happens then the report will be announced.
    Why it's Best to Ignore Analysts' 'Best Picks'
    06-21-2013 06:59 PM
  2. return_0's Avatar
    This is why I think the Galaxy S4 is better than the HTC One-1371861830098.jpg

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
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    06-21-2013 07:43 PM
  3. planoman's Avatar
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    I saw your comparison spreadsheet at the bottom of your signature. Are those your scores? The Nexus 4 does nothing better than the S4, IMO. I owned the Nexus 4 from January until I sold it a few weeks ago...not even close in my opinion...In fact the S3 was probably better than the Nexus 4 in my experience. Do you or have you owned the HTC One or S4?
    06-21-2013 08:24 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    I saw your comparison spreadsheet at the bottom of your signature. Are those your scores? The Nexus 4 does nothing better than the S4. I owned the Nexus 4 from January until I sold it a few weeks ago...not even close in my opinion...In fact the S3 was probably better than the Nexus 4 in my experience. Do you or have you owned the HTC One or S4?
    On the Internals category, the S4 did win, then the One then the N4. The One won exterior and the N4 won on Software and Price.
    06-21-2013 08:28 PM
  5. planoman's Avatar
    On the Internals category, the S4 did win, then the One then the N4. The One won exterior and the N4 won on Software and Price.
    Yeah looks like some numbers were fudged on highly subjective things so the One could eek out a win. A point here and there and it still could barely beat the S4.
    06-21-2013 08:31 PM
  6. Aquila's Avatar
    Yeah looks like some numbers were fudged on highly subjective things so the One could eek out a win. A point here and there and it still could barely beat the S4.
    Right, it'd also be very easy to add more categories if everything is out of 10 and change the scores. Such as... ease of repairs, accessory availability, etc. I believe that's meant to represent what he considers for comparisons, not what everyone should consider. And obviously some people would rate things differently, etc.
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    06-21-2013 08:34 PM
  7. return_0's Avatar
    Yeah looks like some numbers were fudged on highly subjective things so the One could eek out a win. A point here and there and it still could barely beat the S4.
    Even though the numbers turned out in the order I believe the phones to be, I actually put no bias in those scores (or at least tried not to). Sometimes, I actually noticed "oh, I was a little too easy on the N4 here" so on another category I balanced it out by being easier on the One or the S4. Another thing you might notice is that the phones would be perfectly tied were price not taken into account.
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    06-21-2013 08:37 PM
  8. planoman's Avatar
    Right, it'd also be very easy to add more categories if everything is out of 10 and change the scores. Such as... ease of repairs, accessory availability, etc. I believe that's meant to represent what he considers for comparisons, not what everyone should consider. And obviously some people would rate things differently, etc.
    Agreed!
    06-21-2013 08:38 PM
  9. planoman's Avatar
    Even though the numbers turned out in the order I believe the phones to be, I actually put no bias in those scores. Sometimes, I actually noticed "oh, I was a little too easy on the N4 here" so on another category I balanced it out by being easier on the One or the S4. Another thing you might notice is that the phones would be perfectly tied were price not taken into account.
    I hear you. I would rate them differently at least on the Nexus 4 and S4 since I owned them both. Your spreadsheet your scores! Just thought it was interesting. I would give the Nexus 4 camera a 3 or 4. In fact, I really liked my N4 until one day the camera really failed me. It is what prompted me to dump it for the S4.
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    06-21-2013 08:41 PM
  10. return_0's Avatar
    Yeah looks like some numbers were fudged on highly subjective things so the One could eek out a win. A point here and there and it still could barely beat the S4.
    Also, could you point out what categories in specific you thought were highly subjective? I agree that some were; I'd just like to know which ones I could adjust or take into account.
    06-21-2013 08:41 PM
  11. return_0's Avatar
    I hear you. I would rate them differently at least on the Nexus 4 and S4 since I owned them both. Your spreadsheet your scores! Just thought it was interesting.
    That would be cool if we all made our own spreadsheets so we could see each others' scores
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    06-21-2013 08:45 PM
  12. return_0's Avatar
    In fact, I really liked my N4 until one day the camera really failed me. It is what prompted me to dump it for the S4.
    I've seen some really good pictures from N4s, but in retrospect, same with the One and S4. I'll adjust the camera score (though not that low ).
    06-21-2013 08:46 PM
  13. Aquila's Avatar
    That would be cool if we all made our own spreadsheets so we could see each others' scores
    I'll put my model on drive when I get home.
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    06-21-2013 08:50 PM
  14. return_0's Avatar
    To unite the Samsung, HTC, and Nexus fans with Android:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...vTXFyaHc#gid=0
    06-21-2013 08:54 PM
  15. Patrick Schroedl's Avatar
    Hi Patrick. This is NOT based on speculative, preventative, or precautionary reports, rumors, or theories. Yes, they do not have a crystal ball, but there are real world ways to determine if sales of a product is falling. One is called supply and demand. If there is such a demand for the s4 then tell me, why is samsung cutting way back on its production? Let's start there. Are you suggesting that people are begging for this phone but samsung just doesn't want to produce it? Samsung does NOT operate in a vacuum. No company does. There are real world ways to determine demand for a product.

    Let me ask you a serious question Patrick. What, exactly, do you think analyst like those at JP Morgan do? They are not wildly guessing. They take many things into account, things that the common person is not privy to. One of them is supply chain checks, but there are many others. Some people don't want to hear that the s4 is not selling well. I get that. But sooner or later they are going to have to face facts. BTW, none of them have explained why samsung would cut way back on production if there was such a "high demand" for the product. When the new quarterly report comes out then everyone here will know what samsung already knows.
    I'm not doubting the validity of those statements or sources, and I'm very much aware of how analysts come to form their conclusions. Regardless of the fact that the reports are based on information that is likely to be reliable, if a user chooses to regard and interpret these reports in a different manner than you, all I ask is that we be respectful of it.

    I'm always open to private messages as well.
    06-21-2013 08:55 PM
  16. planoman's Avatar
    Also, could you point out what categories in specific you thought were highly subjective? I agree that some were; I'd just like to know which ones I could adjust or take into account.
    I will put my scores into the spreadsheet to see how they come out!

    Edit: Here is my spreadsheet. I put all zeros for cost since that really does not impact me. I have bought several phone off contract including iphone for my daughter. I am on contract with ATT and do not plan on going anywhere so I do use contract prices if available. I did get my S4 on contract. I was trying to be objective but since I own or owned all but the HTC One, I relied on reports for the HTC One scores. Not easy to do once you get into it...I apologize for making light of your scores. Of course after looking at mine, you can see my bias emerge.
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    06-21-2013 08:56 PM
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