03-20-2013 10:05 PM
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  1. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Oh funny because i see no lag on my note 2. But i sure did on phils s4 review.
    S4 review? What exactly are you referring to? Also, if you're not running identical software with all other things being equal besides the SoC you can't call it a fair comparison. Compare a US and International version of the S3 or One X to see the difference the SoC can make.

    I didn't say anything about lag, anyway, I said the Exynos 4 Quad is slower than the Octa or S600. Because it IS. Lag will have much more to do with software than hardware, honestly. I've seen lag on my Nexus 4. Not very often, but it happens on occasion. I've also seen it on a US Galaxy S3, and my AT&T One X. And the iPhone 4/4S/5 also have lag on occasion. Noticing a trend yet?

    I guarantee your Note 2 has also lagged on occasion. You either haven't noticed or choose to ignore it. Lag happens because software isn't perfect.
    03-17-2013 10:19 PM
  2. anon5664829's Avatar
    While technically it's 4+4 but Octa-Core sounds much better and still accurate because there are a total of 8 cores. Last I checked it was outright stated that one Quad core chip is for power and the other is for common tasks that doesn't need extra power. So they can market it as an 8 core phone since it has 8 cores. Nothing said Samsung has to have all 8 on 1 chip or use all 8 just for power to call it an Octa-Core.

    Sent from my Jelly Bean chomping Infuse 4G!
    Still misleading.
    03-17-2013 11:50 PM
  3. TheLibertarian's Avatar
    It's too funny how many people bash the 600 and crave the Octa when they've not used a device powered by either technology yet; funnier still is how poorly people understand how the Octa big.LITTLE runs (hint: you wouldn't really have an 8 core phone).
    03-17-2013 11:53 PM
  4. The Real X Dawg's Avatar
    Still misleading.
    Still a total of 8 cores with their functions explained to you. Anyone mislead or can't understand that is probably the kind of person that doesn't care about the nerd stuff like spec sheets.


    Sent from my Jelly Bean chomping Infuse 4G!
    03-18-2013 12:07 AM
  5. anon5664829's Avatar
    It's too funny how many people bash the 600 and crave the Octa when they've not used a device powered by either technology yet; funnier still is how poorly people understand how the Octa big.LITTLE runs (hint: you wouldn't really have an 8 core phone).
    That's exactly what I've been trying to say!
    03-18-2013 01:01 AM
  6. anon5664829's Avatar
    Still a total of 8 cores with their functions explained to you. Anyone mislead or can't understand that is probably the kind of person that doesn't care about the nerd stuff like spec sheets.


    Sent from my Jelly Bean chomping Infuse 4G!
    Dude I said it myself it uses ARM's big.LITTLE tech it is NOT and I will repeat again for everyone's benefit NOT REALLY 8 CORES.
    03-18-2013 01:05 AM
  7. The Real X Dawg's Avatar
    Dude I said it myself it uses ARM's big.LITTLE tech it is NOT and I will repeat again for everyone's benefit NOT REALLY 8 CORES.
    Are you just interested in raging over a phone's stat sheet than actually reading anything I posted?

    No where did I say it was an 8 core chip and I even linked Jerry's article I read back in January about the chip so I know about the big.LITTLE tech. Samsung is free to market it as an Octa-core by adding both quads together and you're free to think it's misleading. Marketing is just marketing got to build up hype and get people talking not that big of a deal.

    Now if picking the right bracket to enter my group's pool was only this easy. Third place share of the pot is more than enough to buy S4 or the One off contract. XD

    Sent from my Jelly Bean chomping Infuse 4G!
    03-18-2013 01:42 AM
  8. anon5664829's Avatar
    Not an expert on this by any means, but does it have to do with the structure of the US market?

    I have a ton of family overseas and they say the international market is a far different ballgame: phones are not subsidized, they're offered for full price, and carriers have less power in negotiating with manufacturers. International consumers are going to pay the full price for phones, somewhere near $650 I'm guessing for the 8-core version.

    But here in the US, it appears to be much different. I have an inkling bigwig carriers like AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint are not so hot about subsidizing an even more expensive device, especially one they've consistently discounted to drive in more customers (e.g. Sprint selling GS3s for $50 over the Thanksgiving holiday, etc.). While the model of downgrading specs for international and domestic versions isn't the business model of everyone, I can see how Samsung may use it to its advantage.

    Carriers can't subsidize the iPhone but can subsidize its biggest competitor, which also happens to be cheaper, driving in tons of customers who are tied to monthly fees for two years - where carriers really make their money (all without taking as big of a hit as they would with more expensive options). Samsung thus establishes a better working relationship with carriers, bringing their phones to more customers than before and getting even more prime marketing attention versus the iPhone (exemplary in the influx of marketing and promos Sprint did for the GS3).

    Again, this depends on a ton of stuff well beyond my knowledge, but it's how I've seen it so far...
    You are correct, no carriers "subsidize" you buy the phone fully unlocked(all our carriers are GSM) or you can if you want pay a certain amount of money(depending on which plan you choose) and get it cheaper up front. Btw our carriers release an update roughly a month after the manufacturer pushes it( I have a a nexus 4 so i get updates straight from google) no carrier puts blood on our phone either and no ugly branding. The US people really need to boycott their telecommunications companies.
    03-18-2013 01:45 AM
  9. anon5664829's Avatar
    Are you just interested in raging over a phone's stat sheet than actually reading anything I posted?

    No where did I say it was an 8 core chip and I even linked Jerry's article I read back in January about the chip so I know about the big.LITTLE tech. Samsung is free to market it as an Octa-core by adding both quads together and you're free to think it's misleading. Marketing is just marketing got to build up hype and get people talking not that big of a deal.

    Now if picking the right bracket to enter my group's pool was only this easy. Third place share of the pot is more than enough to buy S4 or the One off contract. XD

    Sent from my Jelly Bean chomping Infuse 4G!
    Fair enough, I may have not read your initial post well enough.
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    03-18-2013 01:47 AM
  10. CaneToad's Avatar
    Its my understanding that the USA insists on marching to its opwn drum as always and uses a strange ******* LTE version and only the Qualcomm radios support it.
    03-18-2013 03:04 AM
  11. JRDroid's Avatar
    Does anyone care that the dual core snap dragon in the US gs3 was a much better chip than the quad core exynos, so the US didn't really get screwed last year? What if (as I highly suspect) that turns out to be the case again this year? Since the octa doesn't actually use 8 cores at once, you now have a quad core snapdragon vs. A quad core exynos. Last years exynos couldn't beat a snapdragon with half the cores. Did Samsung hire all new chip engineers, and if not why are we suddenly expecting the exynos chips to best the chips from qualcomm? [/logic&reason]
    03-18-2013 03:08 AM
  12. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Does anyone care that the dual core snap dragon in the US gs3 was a much better chip than the quad core exynos, so the US didn't really get screwed last year? What if (as I highly suspect) that turns out to be the case again this year? Since the octa doesn't actually use 8 cores at once, you now have a quad core snapdragon vs. A quad core exynos. Last years exynos couldn't beat a snapdragon with half the cores. Did Samsung hire all new chip engineers, and if not why are we suddenly expecting the exynos chips to best the chips from qualcomm? [/logic&reason]
    Taking it one step further...we know NOTHING about how the Octa actually performs in the really world, how power consumption is, if it has any "quirks", or anything else for that matter. Everybody is guessing based on marketing tactics and a spec sheet. big.LITTLE as a whole actually falls under this catagory, too.

    The S600, on the other hand, is based on a proven architecture that has proven to have excellent performance and battery life. Many, MANY Snapdragons based on the Krait architecture have found their way to devices since last year. We know what we're getting. We know what they're capable of.

    I'll take the one that I KNOW will work the way it's supposed to.
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    03-18-2013 03:20 AM
  13. anon5664829's Avatar
    Taking it one step further...we know NOTHING about how the Octa actually performs in the really world, how power consumption is, if it has any "quirks", or anything else for that matter. Everybody is guessing based on marketing tactics and a spec sheet. big.LITTLE as a whole actually falls under this catagory, too.

    The S600, on the other hand, is based on a proven architecture that has proven to have excellent performance and battery life. Many, MANY Snapdragons based on the Krait architecture have found their way to devices since last year. We know what we're getting. We know what they're capable of.

    I'll take the one that I KNOW will work the way it's supposed to.
    LOGIC omg is this really happening?
    03-18-2013 03:38 AM
  14. bdog421's Avatar
    Does anyone care that the dual core snap dragon in the US gs3 was a much better chip than the quad core exynos, so the US didn't really get screwed last year? What if (as I highly suspect) that turns out to be the case again this year? Since the octa doesn't actually use 8 cores at once, you now have a quad core snapdragon vs. A quad core exynos. Last years exynos couldn't beat a snapdragon with half the cores. Did Samsung hire all new chip engineers, and if not why are we suddenly expecting the exynos chips to best the chips from qualcomm? [/logic&reason]
    Face palm to you sir, just go find any U.S. note2 and any s4 krait equipped dual core phone...compare the two and you'll be saying the opposite. The exyos4 quad in any form wasn't bested till late 2012 when s4 pro chips hit the market and they still pull more juice for that extra bit of power than the exynos4 quad. In fact the exyos4 quads beat the dual core kraits on battery life as well as processing power.

    And to others, the note2 is proof enough, lte on a U.S. equipped exynos4 quad is not an issue. The demand for the note2 and sgs3 is the reason one got exynos and the other didn't. Likely this is the same thing playing out allover again with sgs4. I'd be willing to bet the note3 will have exynos5 octa with lte for america. It's the demand and release dates, nothing more.
    03-18-2013 06:11 AM
  15. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Honestly who really cares? It's not like your gonna notice with everyday use anyway.
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    03-18-2013 07:45 AM
  16. JRDroid's Avatar
    Face palm to you sir, just go find any U.S. note2 and any s4 krait equipped dual core phone...compare the two and you'll be saying the opposite. The exyos4 quad in any form wasn't bested till late 2012 when s4 pro chips hit the market and they still pull more juice for that extra bit of power than the exynos4 quad. In fact the exyos4 quads beat the dual core kraits on battery life as well as processing power.

    And to others, the note2 is proof enough, lte on a U.S. equipped exynos4 quad is not an issue. The demand for the note2 and sgs3 is the reason one got exynos and the other didn't. Likely this is the same thing playing out allover again with sgs4. I'd be willing to bet the note3 will have exynos5 octa with lte for america. It's the demand and release dates, nothing more.
    When the GS3 launched, the qualcomm version out performed the exynos version in every benchmark and every single review said they could tell a difference when the two were side by side in real world situations. This was because the Exynos 4 was based on a cortex a9 while the Krait architecture was much more like the a15 that the Octa is built on. A dual core Krait or a15 will be a quad core a9 every day when running the same software. Not to say the Exynos 4 was a bad processor, but it wasn't the best either.
    03-18-2013 02:29 PM
  17. sooner7's Avatar
    Give me 600, I'll take some fully functional AOSP roms over that Exynos. Anyone that ROMs knows what I am talking about.
    03-18-2013 03:05 PM
  18. sashlon's Avatar
    it may be true that the 8 core is not gonna be that much better than the S600... it's just the fact that they release the S4 and make the Octa sound like its their best chip... their latest and greatest on their best phone... then you find out you get the 'other' chip because you're american.

    wtf? lol. The US should get all the best hardware!! Do what HTC does... delay european launch to make sure we americans have supply. HTC will get my business over Samsung!!

    same as last year... who wants a dual core when 'over there' they get the quad.

    You do realise Samsung isn't an American company, right? Why should America get the 'best' stuff first anyway? You do realise the vast majority of human beings do not live in the USA, right? Feeling entitled much? Wow.
    03-18-2013 04:50 PM
  19. anon5664829's Avatar
    You do realise Samsung isn't an American company, right? Why should America get the 'best' stuff first anyway? You do realise the vast majority of human beings do not live in the USA, right? Feeling entitled much? Wow.
    I don't think people are that thick, surely it is sarcasm?
    03-18-2013 05:18 PM
  20. NoYankees44's Avatar
    You do realise Samsung isn't an American company, right? Why should America get the 'best' stuff first anyway? You do realise the vast majority of human beings do not live in the USA, right? Feeling entitled much? Wow.
    Not that I disagree with you, but HTC is not American either. Plus the us is the largest single market and has the most ppl that buy phones several times a year. It's the bread winner in this game if you can market it work for you...

    Sent from my SCH-I535
    03-18-2013 05:43 PM
  21. donm527#IM's Avatar
    hey i put a smiley at the end didnt i? but yeah americans at times do feel entitled to have access to the best when it comes out... maybe comes from being an iphone user for a long time and steve never let us americans down ... but we are a huge market and they are always fighting for our money so why not? why do the stupid press release at radio city in new york if not to grab US attention? should have done it at fricken sydney opera house then if they're not gonna give us the octa. <--- notice smiley.

    I don't think people are that thick, surely it is sarcasm?
    03-18-2013 06:07 PM
  22. Ry's Avatar
    Not that I disagree with you, but HTC is not American either. Plus the us is the largest single market and has the most ppl that buy phones several times a year. It's the bread winner in this game if you can market it work for you...

    Sent from my SCH-I535
    Larger than the Chinese market?
    03-18-2013 06:18 PM
  23. viper31573's Avatar
    personally i dont really care whats in my phone. i love my note 2. its super fast and smooth, and ive never let it get to 0% battery, but im getting about 27 hrs before i charge it. it does everything i need it to do, so no reason to care about whats in it. there are many phone manufacturers out there. if you dont like samsung, buy from a different manufacturer. it really is as simple as that
    03-18-2013 06:24 PM
  24. viper31573's Avatar
    I don't think 95% of people even know what's in their phone

    sent from viper's note 2 using tapatalk
    03-18-2013 06:42 PM
  25. anon5664829's Avatar
    hey i put a smiley at the end didnt i? but yeah americans at times do feel entitled to have access to the best when it comes out... maybe comes from being an iphone user for a long time and steve never let us americans down ... but we are a huge market and they are always fighting for our money so why not? why do the stupid press release at radio city in new york if not to grab US attention? should have done it at fricken sydney opera house then if they're not gonna give us the octa. <--- notice smiley.
    Thank god.
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    03-18-2013 07:17 PM
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