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  1. LordVader13's Avatar
    Does this mean no Root for the S4 also? I cant not have root. After buying all those apps that need root (and loving them) (Titanium backup etc.)
    03-19-2013 06:27 AM
  2. neiljay6's Avatar
    I could not care less. If I want the stock look and operation of android I have the option to install nova or many other launchers. I and the other people I know who like Samsung's phones in general really don't care or will never want to root or install a custom launcher.
    03-19-2013 06:34 AM
  3. Subliminal's Avatar
    It's sad really. The S3 has AOSP roms on it, but they...well, they aren't the best. Apparently the RIL is not released, so they have to hack away at the radio code to get it to work...and then it just works moderately ok...I haven't been able to keep an AOSP rom on my s3 for more than a few days, because inevitably I'll end up somewhere, sitting with a bunch of folk and be the only one without a signal.
    03-19-2013 07:10 AM
  4. hotbbq's Avatar
    Buying a non-Nexus with the sole (or at least a high probability) purpose of putting an AOSP ROM on it is, to me, ludicrous. If you want stock Android that bad then a Nexus it shall be.
    Unless of course you want an LTE device with an AOSP ROM. Or you buy a used phone for super cheap and want a stock-sh experience (that's what I did with my EVO 3D). Or your device is EOL'd (like my EVO 3D) and the only new software you are going to get is from third party devs.

    Why people say "oh man I love the [insert name of phone here]" and then completely change the experience is beyond me. Either hardware matters enough to keep less than ideal software on it, or software matters enough to sacrifice on the hardware side. And really, the hardware of the N4 was top shelf when it was released, and has only been surpassed recently.
    See my previous statements. The beta builds of CM 10.1 are leagues better than the stock software for my EVO 3D. The only that doesn't work is the 3D features, which almost no one used to begin with.

    If you buy a phone with Sense/Touchwiz/Blur/etc on it, then strip all that away, you're losing many of the reasons that made you want the phone in the first place.
    Err, not really. I was leaning to the S4 over the One as my upgrade only because I thought the third party support would be greater on the S4. Now, I'm more inclined to get the One. Would I rather have a beastly spec'd Nexus device with LTE, absolutely. I'd still put AOKP or CM on it, though, as they take stock and make it even better.
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    03-19-2013 07:35 AM
  5. friguy3's Avatar
    Ugh, being on verizon really limits you since theres all this question of the One coming to big red and now with this...I hope the MotoX makes it to big red (as id assume it would with the moto verizon love afair) because no way Id get the S4 without develper support.
    03-19-2013 08:31 AM
  6. thebizz's Avatar
    I have not run cm or aokp since last summer when I got rid of the sgs2. I missed the great camera on the evo lte and s3 that the stock firmware provided. I was hoping we would get the nexus 4 on sprint but I don't see that happening. So now I'm going to the s4 or HTC one. Which ever one I get I will still not flash and aosp rom on it because I don't want to loose features for stock android ui
    03-19-2013 08:36 AM
  7. sooner7's Avatar
    Buying a non-Nexus with the sole (or at least a high probability) purpose of putting an AOSP ROM on it is, to me, ludicrous. If you want stock Android that bad then a Nexus it shall be. The experience will be BETTER than any other phone with a (honestly) hacked AOSP-based ROM put on it.
    This is very true, but on some devices AOSP is near perfect, like the U.S. S3 variants. Either way, nexus isn't available to everyone and the snarky attitude from people here about "going GSM and finally getting a nexus" gets kind of old. Some want AOSP on other hardware, on their CDMA carrier...

    I like having near bug free AOSP on my s3, then switching back to a modded TW ROM. Don't see any Nexii doing that.
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    03-19-2013 08:42 AM
  8. Robbzilla's Avatar
    That doesn't make any sense. Worth is a subjective term. Maybe you can start by telling us what makes phone worth buying for you.
    CDMA would be a nice start.
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    03-19-2013 09:00 AM
  9. tekhna's Avatar
    Wow. Well, guess I'm keeping my GS3.
    03-19-2013 09:04 AM
  10. BK Phil1's Avatar
    Looking more and more like an Optimus G for me. Or maybe a Sony?

    I'd love to get a Nexus or a One, but since expandable storage is non-negotiable for me (I use my device almost exclusively underground and in other environments with zero connectivity) those are off the board.

    I'd like a removable battery too, but I'll probably have to bend on that issue.
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    03-19-2013 09:13 AM
  11. STC09's Avatar
    Buying a non-Nexus with the sole (or at least a high probability) purpose of putting an AOSP ROM on it is, to me, ludicrous. If you want stock Android that bad then a Nexus it shall be.
    If there's a better solution for VZW users, let's hear it. The other carriers simply don't have the network coverage I need and I have zero interest in proprietary UIs, but the chances of another CDMA Nexus are very low.
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    03-19-2013 09:18 AM
  12. TabGuy's Avatar
    That doesn't make any sense. Worth is a subjective term. Maybe you can start by telling us what makes phone worth buying for you.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    Here are my non-negotiable requirements for a phone. Very simple, really: 1) It must work on Verizon LTE. 2) It must have a removable battery.

    AT&T has no coverage in my house, I have to stand out in the street to get coverage. I also do a lot of wifi tethering and I can eat through a battery in several hours.

    After living with a Galaxy Nexus for the last 16 months I can say that I really, really miss removable storage. It would be nice to have an SD card slot but it's not a deal breaker, just a real annoyance.

    Other than those items, I can be very flexible on what a Nexus phone should be.
    03-19-2013 09:19 AM
  13. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    If there's a better solution for VZW users, let's hear it. The other carriers simply don't have the network coverage I need and I have zero interest in proprietary UIs, but the chances of another CDMA Nexus are very low.
    Here are my requirements for a phone. Very simple, really: 1) It must work on Verizon LTE. 2) It must have a removable battery.

    Other than those two items, I can be very flexible on what a Nexus phone should be.
    What's wrong with the Galaxy Nexus? If software really is your focus it still runs 4.2.2 perfectly fine. It also has a very healthy developer community behind it. Reality is this, Google will build a device if the carriers want it, and my guess is that Sprint and Verizon haven't shown any interest. There's no money it for them, since they can't put all their carrier bloat on it and make changes to the software (those two little things on the VZW GNex notwithstanding).

    I'm not advocating switching to GSM (though, if coverage is there and you want a Nexus 4, then, well....), but reality is that Samsung isn't as developer friendly as people think. There are other companies that are quiet about it, but really do embrace the "hacking" community.

    I'm also not saying that there aren't phones out there that have perfectly functional and working CM (or other AOSP-based) ROM's. There are. Most members of the "official" CM team are brought on board AFTER they have a working build running on a phone and have shown the ability to squash bugs and maintain the build for the device (don't believe me, do some Googling). One thing is certain, though, and that's that even they start with Nexus devices. I'm not really surprised, and neither should anyone else be.

    Everything is about trade-offs and compromises. Unfortunately it will be like for a while.
    03-19-2013 09:29 AM
  14. STC09's Avatar
    What's wrong with the Galaxy Nexus?
    That's what I'm currently using but looking down the road, there's nothing until perhaps when VoLTE replaces CDMA. I've also read that the GNex is no longer sold by VZW, so the plan in case of a catastrophic failure in mine was to get an S4 and rip out touchwiz.
    03-19-2013 09:41 AM
  15. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    If there's a better solution for VZW users, let's hear it. The other carriers simply don't have the network coverage I need and I have zero interest in proprietary UIs, but the chances of another CDMA Nexus are very low.
    That's what I'm currently using but looking down the road, there's nothing until perhaps when VoLTE replaces CDMA. I've also read that the GNex is no longer sold by VZW, so the plan in case of a catastrophic failure in mine was to get an S4 and rip out touchwiz.
    You could always get the S3 and do the same thing. Or buy a used Gnex.
    03-19-2013 09:43 AM
  16. djluis48's Avatar
    Well, call me crazy, but im one of those that like to flash AOSP roms on their S3. First, i have to say that i don't think that AOSP roms runs any bad on my S3, i know im having some drain issues, but i still get about the same battery life that i get with stock roms, so i guess its fine. But the reason that i don't have a Nexus device right now (had a Nexus S and a Gnex in the past) is because i like the ability to choose between the two OSes in a heartbeat. I ALWAYS have a nandroid backup on my SD with stock rom, and when i revert to it, i make a nandroid of AOSP, and keep there till i want to revert back to it. If i had a Nexus, it would be AOSP all the time, and i tend to get bored looking at the same screen all the time and the same UI, so i really value the ability to switch between Touchwiz and AOSP. RIght now im running Rootbox 3.9.1 and i really love what have been done with this rom, its fantastic. No issues at all. Heck, i had more issues with stock custom roms. About the S4 not having official CM10, thats a big no for me then. The Htc One might my next phone after all...
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    03-19-2013 09:43 AM
  17. fatboy97's Avatar
    Disappointing... I had CM on my old Thunderbolt and really enjoyed that. I did not realize that CM would not create one for my Razr Maxx until a while after I purchased it (bought it on the first day), but I lived without it. I might be able to live without it, but I was really looking forward to using it again.
    03-19-2013 10:45 AM
  18. TabGuy's Avatar
    What's wrong with the Galaxy Nexus? If software really is your focus it still runs 4.2.2 perfectly fine. It also has a very healthy developer community behind it. Reality is this, Google will build a device if the carriers want it, and my guess is that Sprint and Verizon haven't shown any interest. There's no money it for them, since they can't put all their carrier bloat on it and make changes to the software (those two little things on the VZW GNex notwithstanding).
    The GN works just fine. However, I'm looking for faster hardware with a larger screen. The IR blaster, of all things, intrigues me. I'm struggling to decide between the S4 and the Note 2. My wife has a Note 2 and it's verrrry tempting.

    I don't like the pure Google experience and, call me crazy, like TouchWiz. I miss TouchWiz on my Galaxy Tab 10.1 but the only way to get to Jelly Bean on the Tab was to install a CM 10. I did but I'm not thrilled. It's about as feature rich as cardboard.

    I don't think there will ever be another Nexus device on Verizon. Google had a horrible experience with the Galaxy Nexus. They battled with Verizon to get updates out in a timely manner. Verizon won that battle and didn't cave for Google. I don't think Google wants any part of Verizon going forward.
    03-19-2013 10:54 AM
  19. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    If there's a better solution for VZW users, let's hear it. The other carriers simply don't have the network coverage I need and I have zero interest in proprietary UIs, but the chances of another CDMA Nexus are very low.
    The GN works just fine. However, I'm looking for faster hardware with a larger screen. The IR blaster, of all things, intrigues me. I'm struggling to decide between the S4 and the Note 2. My wife has a Note 2 and it's verrrry tempting.

    I don't like the pure Google experience and, call me crazy, like TouchWiz. I miss TouchWiz on my Galaxy Tab 10.1 but the only way to get to Jelly Bean on the Tab was to install a CM 10. I did but I'm not thrilled. I rooted and ROMed the Galaxy Nexus because it was interesting to do so. I've been there, done that, and it's not compelling for me to do it again.

    I don't think there will ever be another Nexus device on Verizon. Google had a horrible experience with the Galaxy Nexus. They battled with Verizon to get updates out in a timely manner. Verizon won that battle and didn't cave for Google. I don't think Google wants any part of Verizon going forward.
    You'd be surprised if you knew how the relationship between Google and Verizon is I think. Probably not as bad as we all make it out to be.

    Verizon makes more money selling a branded device full of bloat.
    03-19-2013 11:02 AM
  20. W1zz's Avatar
    Update: The CyanogenMod team clarified the situation on its account on Google Plus:

    Setting Device Expectations

    Lets start with the simplest form of this: CyanogenMod does not pre-announce support or lack of support for devices. Ever. Even for the Nexus 4, we did not announce support until a nightly build was available. Further, any announcement regarding the dropping of device support will be communicated via this Google+ page, Twitter, Facebook, our blog, or a combination of those; it will not be something buried in a forum post.

    This morning, a comment from a CM collaborator on XDA was taken to be as an absolute in regards to support of the S4. He offered the opinion of four TeamHacksung maintainers, their frustrations and lack of interest in supporting the S4. Whats seemingly lost on those reading this is that his comments as an individual do not speak for CyanogenMod as an organization.

    As for the teams stance on the S4, there isnt one at this time, and most definitely wont be one before the device is sold at retail.

    -The CyanogenMod Team
    Source: Galaxy S4 not getting CyanogenMod support...
    03-19-2013 11:24 AM
  21. Aquila's Avatar
    You could always get the S3 and do the same thing. Or buy a used Gnex.
    VZW Gnex is still available at Best Buy new; it's also still heavily in stock by Asurion (not sure if I spelled that right) (phone insurance).
    03-19-2013 11:33 AM
  22. dwhitman's Avatar
    Buying a non-Nexus with the sole (or at least a high probability) purpose of putting an AOSP ROM on it is, to me, ludicrous. If you want stock Android that bad then a Nexus it shall be. The experience will be BETTER than any other phone with a (honestly) hacked AOSP-based ROM put on it.

    Where I live, the only carrier with > 1xRTT coverage is Verizon. So while I love my Nexus 7 tablet on WiFi, Verizon isn't offering a Nexus phone. So my options are to 1) Get a non-Nexus device, and install a great AOSP-based ROM on it or 2) get a Nexus phone, and cripple it with a network that doesn't offer mobile data fast enough to do anything with.

    To me, the latter is the ludicrous choice. YMMV.
    03-19-2013 11:57 AM
  23. SlushySolid's Avatar
    The CM team is quitting because Samsung publicizes releasing source code, but then never does it. Development is good for the S3 and Note 2 now because there's such a large pool of dev teams that code can be gained without it being released. However, when the next gen devices come out, and those devs move to them, then they'll quickly endure the development nightmare that the S2 and Note are enduring right now.

    It's all kind of a bummer because I was super pumped for the S4, but this definitely raises second thoughts.

    I personally flash on my skyrocket because otherwise I'd be stuck with ICS. The stock Android experience is just the icing on the cake.



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    03-19-2013 11:59 AM
  24. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Where I live, the only carrier with > 1xRTT coverage is Verizon. So while I love my Nexus 7 tablet on WiFi, Verizon isn't offering a Nexus phone. So my options are to 1) Get a non-Nexus device, and install a great AOSP-based ROM on it or 2) get a Nexus phone, and cripple it with a network that doesn't offer mobile data fast enough to do anything with.

    To me, the latter is the ludicrous choice. YMMV.
    Posts above yours pointed out where you can get a VZW Gnex.
    03-19-2013 01:23 PM
  25. Subliminal's Avatar
    This is very true, but on some devices AOSP is near perfect, like the U.S. S3 variants.
    lol...as long as you don't want reception, it works fantastic! Everything else works...just not the radio. That's an important part of the phone, IMO.
    03-19-2013 01:27 PM
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