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  1. The Real X Dawg's Avatar
    I don't get the finger pointing at the mods when it's pretty much the same couple of members that are spamming and derailing both boards up constantly.

    My phone is a good One!
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    04-30-2013 01:07 PM
  2. JHBThree's Avatar
    As I recall, you started out by jumping the gun by calling Samsung "shady" before getting all the facts on the 600 chip and you took off from there.

    As you know, I frequent both the One and S4 forums. It is beyond a doubt that the One is having more issues than the S4 yet I can't find any instances of you concern trolling(said with friendship, not accusatory) over there.

    As for the One that my minor child uses, I paid for it, pay for the service and will have to deal with any hardware and software issues that come up so I feel qualified to continue commenting on it.
    Your memory fails you. He said it might be shady if Samsung and qualcomm are using an inferior chip and still calling it a 600. He didn't say Samsung was shady at any point. As you have in past threads, you invented something that wasn't there because it fit within your little worldview. You also have a long, long history of trolling the One, which is well documented and speaks for itself.
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    04-30-2013 01:10 PM
  3. Topgonzo's Avatar
    As I recall, you started out by jumping the gun by calling Samsung "shady" before getting all the facts on the 600 chip and you took off from there.

    As you know, I frequent both the One and S4 forums. It is beyond a doubt that the One is having more issues than the S4 yet I can't find any instances of you concern trolling(said with friendship, not accusatory) over there.

    As for the One that my minor child uses, I paid for it, pay for the service and will have to deal with any hardware and software issues that come up so I feel qualified to continue commenting on it.
    I totally disagree with the statement that the one has more issues.. Mine is great.. No problems. I'm not sure why you chose to be such a jerk to others when they don't have the same opinion you do.. This is not a court of law and most discussions are just opinions. You seem to get people awfully upset about your defense of the s4..Ok we get it.. I'm just waiting for the day you get banned so that the forums will calm down..
    I think the s4 is a great phone.. I mean that's what's great we have choices. This isn't Russia vs the United States during the cold War.. You're not ever going to force me to agree with you.

    Sent from my HTCONE using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
    04-30-2013 01:12 PM
  4. Drov's Avatar
    You can't be serious when saying this. Have you even looked at what Kevin was saying? All he is saying is that SOME people with the S4 have issues. Just because not everyone has those issues doesn't mean that no one does.

    He is not "hating" on the S4, he is simply trying to make sure that people with legitimate concerns have their voices heard, so that a solution can be found. He has never said anything needlessly bad about the S4. I don't know what everyone's problem with him is right now. Simply being a moderator does not mean that you are abusing your status. Kevin is not abusing his status, he is trying to help people with issues find solutions. Why is that so bad?
    I have been reading everything he has been posting. He doesn't raise any new concerns or unknown issues he just keeps reiterating the negative points about the S4. Everyone has read a thousand times that some people are having issues with stuttering and everyone knows the phone is plastic. The people he is arguing with above have even admitted so themselves about the stuttering but yet he continues. He does so in a way that really rides the line before being considered bashing the device, I will give him that. There are a few other people that are much worse but the reason I call him out is because he is a Mod and every time I see his name on a thread and click on it he is adding nothing useful it is just more negativity about the S4 or Samsung. Yes Mods can have opinions but keep your opinion on topic with the thread and don't get to the point where you are arguing with users who are obviously just defending their device.
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    04-30-2013 01:16 PM
  5. madlaw1071's Avatar
    I totally disagree with the statement that the one has more issues.. Mine is great.. No problems. I'm not sure why you chose to be such a jerk to others when they don't have the same opinion you do.. This is not a court of law and most discussions are just opinions. You seem to get people awfully upset about your defense of the s4..Ok we get it.. I'm just waiting for the day you get banned so that the forums will calm down..
    I think the s4 is a great phone.. I mean that's what's great we have choices. This isn't Russia vs the United States during the cold War.. You're not ever going to force me to agree with you.

    Sent from my HTCONE using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
    It really isnt subject to reasonable dispute. The complaints for the One out number the S4(so far) by a country mile. Any casual observer can see this is true by scrolling the threads.

    When I posted on the One, y'all wanted me to leave and post in the S4 forums. Now here I am in the S4 forums(which begs the question as to why you're here) and you want me banned, which I dont think is likely. I dont care or want you to agree with me, you are perfectly entitled to your opinions as am I.
    04-30-2013 01:22 PM
  6. Eric Kane's Avatar
    The capacitive buttons have been explained have they not? If it's not the small target area then the device is defective, right? I'm still looking for where HTC said they were gonna fix that. Moderating is far more than enforcing the rules.

    Until I was called out yet again by an S4 user I wasn't "trolling" at all in this thread. But your logic is sound, but for one thing. I'm not claiming that I have solutions to anything. I started off by trying to explain that the animation lag that's being fixed by the Developer Option setting isn't the same as the performance issues people are seeing in the stock TouchWiz apps. I don't have to own the device to understand how that works. Also by that logic, having access to a device and actually owning it aren't the same thing, right? So, you don't have the One anymore, you gave it to a family member. It's not yours, therefor you can no longer comment on it, right? See how silly that sounds? Some of the same people going around saying "these are forums, you can say and post what you want" are the same people complaining about trolls and what I'm saying in threads.

    Is what I'm saying wrong? Are people applying the dev option fix and still experiencing issues? Yes they are. So me saying it isn't incorrect. It's also not trolling. It's pointing out that not all performance issues are the same. That fact is being glossed over by a majority of people simply because they aren't experiencing it. So since they aren't experiencing it, it must not be true, right?



    But that's the thing, I don't hate the S4. But people singing the gospel of the device like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread are also wrong. You don't see me touting the One all over the place, do you? Nope, I haven't brought the One up in the S4 section in quite a while, actually. Pretty sure that, except in this thread, I've tried to keep the "One vs S4" threads limited in scope.



    FYI, I have other Mods following me around, and if they see me cross lines or break rules you'll see me stop posting. These S4 threads are getting more and more like threads I see on iMore about the iPhone.



    Scratch that. You guys have fun in this thread. I'm done trying to reel in the fanboyism.
    This has gotten completely out of hand for no real reason. I feel as if I'm not being clear in what I'm saying here, so let me try again:

    -I am not disputing that there's an issue with the software on the Galaxy S4. The animations they've used -are- causing a stutter. There's a possibility that the sensors for Air View/Air Gesture/Smart Scroll, etc are CPU hogs. It's too early to tell on that one, but it's possible. Also, I'm trying to do some research on how they've changed GPU rendering, if at all, in 4.2.2 as forcing it makes a pretty big difference.

    -My point on these issues not being a huge deal is two-fold. First, some of the people reporting these issues may or may not know the difference between perceived lag that's caused by janky animations and actual lag due to lack of resources/CPU issues. For some, changing the developer options has fixed their issue. For some, it seemingly has not. It's a little odd that there's not more consistency here. I've had the time to test this phone along with others that I trust to be objective and none of us have been able to replicate what's being reported, but it could easily be people misdiagnosing animation stutters as "lag". Secondly, this phone has been out for such a little amount of time that looking at this as the end of the world is foolish. Since there's no doubt there's some UI issues, I'm sure they're aware of it. In fact, there was an update on the unlocked Snapdragon 600 versions a day or two ago that very well could have fixed some (or all) of these issues. Didn't see a changelog, but one can only hope.

    As it pertains to the ongoing S4 vs One debate that's spilled onto both forums, there's just no avoiding it. However, using the word "fanboyism" because people think you're inciting a lot of the issues only proves their point. There's no question that you prefer the HTC One, Kevin. There's also nothing wrong with that, but it's become increasingly obvious that you, and others, are digging for there to be something wrong with the S4. All it took was madlaw referencing an issue with the One as an example and instead of ignoring it, you defended it. I'm sure I could spend the afternoon getting you to retort to issues with the One if I wanted to.

    So again, there's no one here that's ignoring the fact that there's some issues with the S4 right now. What apparently is expected, though, is for us to all condemn our phones and say they suck so you and others can feel better about your own device choices. Or to pretend like an issue that can mostly be fixed by the user in 30 seconds is so blasphemous that it hands the "crown" over to HTC. I'm sure you'll dispute this and so will others, but your comment of "But that's the thing, I don't hate the S4. But people singing the gospel of the device like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread are also wrong." tells me that the S4 bothers you. If I say the S4 is the best phone in the world, you get irritated. If you tell me the One is the best phone in the world, I chalk it up as your opinion. Only difference is that I have firsthand knowledge of both phones and you do not.

    Before you alienate anyone else any further, I suggest locking this thread. The "fanboyism" comment is not likely to be well-received and since you're not going to do your job, I'll call for someone else to do it for you.
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    04-30-2013 01:23 PM
  7. madlaw1071's Avatar
    Your memory fails you. He said it might be shady if Samsung and qualcomm are using an inferior chip and still calling it a 600. He didn't say Samsung was shady at any point. As you have in past threads, you invented something that wasn't there because it fit within your little worldview. You also have a long, long history of trolling the One, which is well documented and speaks for itself.
    Forum rules, accusing someone of trolling is a form of trolling.
    04-30-2013 01:23 PM
  8. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I have been reading everything he has been posting. He doesn't raise any new concerns or unknown issues he just keeps reiterating the negative points about the S4. Everyone has read a thousand times that some people are having issues with stuttering and everyone knows the phone is plastic. The people he is arguing with above have even admitted so themselves about the stuttering but yet he continues. He does so in a way that really rides the line before being considered bashing the device, I will give him that. There are a few other people that are much worse but the reason I call him out is because he is a Mod and every time I see his name on a thread and click on it he is adding nothing useful it is just more negativity about the S4 or Samsung. Yes Mods can have opinions but keep your opinion on topic with the thread and don't get to the point where you are arguing with users who are obviously just defending their device.
    So, out of those thousand times. You get a majority of people saying "just do the developer option fix" and the fact that it didn't fix the problem FOR THEM is overshadowed by the numerous other posts about something not related to the problem at all. This has been the way threads about issues with the S4 have been going. Then someone comes in and says "so does the S4 have lag" and people say "not with the fix" which isn't true at all. But nobody brings up the fact that the developer option fix doesn't solve the issue for everyone.



    Just like taking the screen protector off doesn't fix the capacitive button issue for everyone having them on the One.
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    04-30-2013 01:26 PM
  9. craZDude's Avatar
    I have been reading everything he has been posting. He doesn't raise any new concerns or unknown issues he just keeps reiterating the negative points about the S4. Everyone has read a thousand times that some people are having issues with stuttering and everyone knows the phone is plastic. The people he is arguing with above have even admitted so themselves about the stuttering but yet he continues. He does so in a way that really rides the line before being considered bashing the device, I will give him that. There are a few other people that are much worse but the reason I call him out is because he is a Mod and every time I see his name on a thread and click on it he is adding nothing useful it is just more negativity about the S4 or Samsung. Yes Mods can have opinions but keep your opinion on topic with the thread and don't get to the point where you are arguing with users who are obviously just defending their device.
    The reason Kevin keeps bringing up that some people are experiencing lag is that there are people in this thread who are trying to discount it. Kevin is not bashing the S4. He is just trying to find help for people who are having problems. He also hasn't said a thing about the S4 being plastic in this thread, I don't know why you brought that up.

    Kevin said himself that he has no fundamental problems with the S4. Why would AC hire him as a moderator if he had hateful biases towards certain phones or manufacturers? They wouldn't. Even if he were "bashing" it, what would he have to gain by doing so?

    I think the part of your statement I bolded is very telling. These people who are trying to say that there is no real lag in the S4 are just trying to defend the device they bought. I am happy when people don't have problems with the purchases they make, because I don't like have problems either, and I like when people are happy. However, these people do not need to "[defend] their device" when they aren't having problems but other people are. If anything, the people defending their devices are the ones who aren't adding anything to the conversation, the goal of which is to solve the lag on the S4.
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    04-30-2013 01:27 PM
  10. sproctor61's Avatar
    My first Android phone. I have a iPhone 5 in my drawer. The first thing I noticed was the choppy lag sometimes. Glad Im not the only one.
    04-30-2013 01:29 PM
  11. madlaw1071's Avatar
    http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc...upsetting.html

    Right now, the One fanatics are trashing a poor guy whose decal fell off of his $600.00 smartphone, including poster(s) from this thread.
    04-30-2013 01:32 PM
  12. madlaw1071's Avatar
    Just like taking the screen protector off doesn't fix the capacitive button issue for everyone having them on the One.
    +1
    04-30-2013 01:34 PM
  13. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    So again, there's no one here that's ignoring the fact that there's some issues with the S4 right now. What apparently is expected, though, is for us to all condemn our phones and say they suck so you and others can feel better about your own device choices. Or to pretend like an issue that can mostly be fixed by the user in 30 seconds is so blasphemous that it hands the "crown" over to HTC. I'm sure you'll dispute this and so will others, but your comment of "But that's the thing, I don't hate the S4. But people singing the gospel of the device like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread are also wrong." tells me that the S4 bothers you. If I say the S4 is the best phone in the world, you get irritated. If you tell me the One is the best phone in the world, I chalk it up as your opinion. Only difference is that I have firsthand knowledge of both phones and you do not.
    See the bold? I never said that, or acted like that. Glossing over issues people are having is what I'm referring to. I've outright said a few about the One in this thread. People have had to get devices exchanged because of issues. How is that trumpeting the perfection or superiority of the One over the S4?

    See the italics? That was a reference to fanboys. Maybe you're not one, maybe you are. You seemingly took offense to the term, so I'm not sure. Is being a fanboy bad? Nah. They just have an undying passion for their device. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    No device is perfect. They all have issues. I haven't denied that about the One, or claimed that they're being overstated or exacerbated. All I've said is that I'm not experiencing them myself.
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    04-30-2013 01:41 PM
  14. warpdrive's Avatar
    http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc...upsetting.html

    Right now, the One fanatics are trashing a poor guy whose decal fell off of his $600.00 smartphone, including poster(s) from this thread.
    Will you please stop using facts and reason on a phone forum? You're making my head hurt.

    sent with my 2 year old HTC evo3d
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    04-30-2013 01:41 PM
  15. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I think the part of your statement I bolded is very telling. These people who are trying to say that there is no real lag in the S4 are just trying to defend the device they bought. I am happy when people don't have problems with the purchases they make, because I don't like have problems either, and I like when people are happy. However, these people do not need to "[defend] their device" when they aren't having problems but other people are. If anything, the people defending their devices are the ones who aren't adding anything to the conversation, the goal of which is to solve the lag on the S4.
    Agree...100%...People defend what they own, must be something from the cave man days...sad really. If everybody hides the issue or pretends it doesn't exist, how will the manufacturer know to correct it?
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    04-30-2013 01:43 PM
  16. Eric Kane's Avatar
    See the bold? I never said that, or acted like that. Glossing over issues people are having is what I'm referring to. I've outright said a few about the One in this thread. People have had to get devices exchanged because of issues. How is that trumpeting the perfection or superiority of the One over the S4?

    See the italics? That was a reference to fanboys. Maybe you're not one, maybe you are. You seemingly took offense to the term, so I'm not sure. Is being a fanboy bad? Nah. They just have an undying passion for their device. Nothing wrong with that at all.

    No device is perfect. They all have issues. I haven't denied that about the One, or claimed that they're being overstated or exacerbated. All I've said is that I'm not experiencing them myself.
    I'm thinking at this point that you've never really read any of my posts in their entirety. I'm not glossing over their issues; I've admitted the S4 has UI issues that need to be addressed countless times. I've also stated that it's very possible, and more likely, that people are confusing perceived lag (animation stutters, janky transitions) with real lag (lack of resources/CPU issues). Myself and others have provided a temporary fix to the majority of those issues in the form of making changes in developer options. The people who've made those changes have generally reported back that their issues are gone. Doesn't mean that everyone is issue free, but also doesn't mean that everyone has tried that fix, either.

    When I used the term "exacerbating" earlier, it really doesn't do this justice. I'm not taking offense to the fanboy comment at all, but others might. You can call me whatever you'd like, but of the 2 of us, I've been offering solutions and explanations and you've been causing issues and calling people "fanboys". Which one of us is the moderator, again?
    04-30-2013 01:52 PM
  17. Drov's Avatar
    The reason Kevin keeps bringing up that some people are experiencing lag is that there are people in this thread who are trying to discount it. Kevin is not bashing the S4. He is just trying to find help for people who are having problems. He also hasn't said a thing about the S4 being plastic in this thread, I don't know why you brought that up.

    Kevin said himself that he has no fundamental problems with the S4. Why would AC hire him as a moderator if he had hateful biases towards certain phones or manufacturers? They wouldn't. Even if he were "bashing" it, what would he have to gain by doing so?

    I think the part of your statement I bolded is very telling. These people who are trying to say that there is no real lag in the S4 are just trying to defend the device they bought. I am happy when people don't have problems with the purchases they make, because I don't like have problems either, and I like when people are happy. However, these people do not need to "[defend] their device" when they aren't having problems but other people are. If anything, the people defending their devices are the ones who aren't adding anything to the conversation, the goal of which is to solve the lag on the S4.
    Honestly, I don't want to argue. I just come to this forum to read about devices and like reading about people's experiences. I accept that there probably is an issue with the S4 stuttering. I really hope they fix it soon too because I am considering getting one when it is released on Verizon.
    04-30-2013 01:52 PM
  18. guinnkevinr's Avatar
    I love my phone and I'll be the first to admit that there is stuttering from time to time and it sucks. Especially when texting and the keyboard can't keep up. I'm still keeping it.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4
    04-30-2013 02:04 PM
  19. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc...upsetting.html

    Right now, the One fanatics are trashing a poor guy whose decal fell off of his $600.00 smartphone, including poster(s) from this thread.
    Thanks for pointing that out. It will be taken care of.
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    04-30-2013 02:05 PM
  20. madlaw1071's Avatar
    I love my phone and I'll be the first to admit that there is stuttering from time to time and it sucks. Especially when texting and the keyboard can't keep up. I'm still keeping it.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4
    Which keyboard? I'm using the pre-installed Swype and it's butter.
    04-30-2013 02:08 PM
  21. The Real X Dawg's Avatar
    http://forums.androidcentral.com/htc...upsetting.html

    Right now, the One fanatics are trashing a poor guy whose decal fell off of his $600.00 smartphone, including poster(s) from this thread.
    That's a damn shame. It does give me a potentially bad idea depending on how thick the back is and have my friend tattoo my One.


    My phone is a good One!
    04-30-2013 02:11 PM
  22. lostaggie's Avatar
    My first Android phone. I have a iPhone 5 in my drawer. The first thing I noticed was the choppy lag sometimes. Glad Im not the only one.
    Same here... Still debating whether I will keep this device or not...

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2
    04-30-2013 02:13 PM
  23. Eric Kane's Avatar
    I love my phone and I'll be the first to admit that there is stuttering from time to time and it sucks. Especially when texting and the keyboard can't keep up. I'm still keeping it.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4
    Apparently there was an update sent out a day or two ago to the unlocked Snapdragon 600 versions. I'm hoping that its a fix for the UI stuttering. I've tried forcing gpu rendering and that's made a pretty drastic difference. While I don't mind turning the animations off for now, forcing the GPU rendering makes me feel like I'm now doing their job for them.

    Still optimistic it'll be fixed shortly, though.

    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S4
    04-30-2013 02:13 PM
  24. guinnkevinr's Avatar
    Which keyboard? I'm using the pre-installed Swype and it's butter.
    Maybe I'll try that one. I was using the swype I bought from the play store. I only bought it and used it over the preinstalled because I could change the theme and color of the keyboard as I don't like the standard one as much.
    04-30-2013 02:17 PM
  25. madlaw1071's Avatar
    That's a damn shame. It does give me a potentially bad idea depending on how thick the back is and have my friend tattoo my One.


    My phone is a good One!
    Post pics if you decide to do it.
    04-30-2013 02:17 PM
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