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  1. triangle8's Avatar
    While I may have chosen the S4 over the One, I'm glad that the One is selling well. We need continued innovation and the only way that's going to happen is through stronger competition.
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    05-06-2013 08:30 AM
  2. epik16's Avatar
    This is expected. HTC was never going to sell 1/8 of the S4. But they can still find success and I hope they do so there are competitors that keep pushing Samsung forward.
    05-06-2013 08:45 AM
  3. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Updates to fix problems is not the same as updating the software to the next OS release. If you don't believe me pull these facts, last year the HTC One X came out before the SG3 guess which one got JB first. Enjoy your One!
    Fixing problems isn't important?
    Topgonzo likes this.
    05-06-2013 08:52 AM
  4. varsityhacker's Avatar
    Fixing problems isn't important?
    Of course updates to fix issues is important never said it wasn't. However, there is a difference between fixing problems and updating the OS which has not been traditionally a strong point of HTC. The S4 is already ahead of the One with 4.2.2 and next up is KLP or some revision of JB. I'm willing to bet that the S4 will have the next OS update long before the One does and that was my point.
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    05-06-2013 09:02 AM
  5. wase4711's Avatar
    I was very interested in a One; I like the forward facing speakers, and the metal design, but with no replaceable battery, and no way to add storage via a sim card, I changed my mind...
    05-06-2013 09:32 AM
  6. Eric Kane's Avatar
    Of course updates to fix issues is important never said it wasn't. However, there is a difference between fixing problems and updating the OS which has not been traditionally a strong point of HTC. The S4 is already ahead of the One with 4.2.2 and next up is KLP or some revision of JB. I'm willing to bet that the S4 will have the next OS update long before the One does and that was my point.
    This will become a much more heated topic for HTC users if the revised Jelly Bean/new Key Lime Pie has anything game-changing. As important as bug fixes are (as Samsung is hopefully finding out), keeping your OS updated so it doesn't fall behind is a huge selling point.
    05-06-2013 09:35 AM
  7. Topgonzo's Avatar
    Of course updates to fix issues is important never said it wasn't. However, there is a difference between fixing problems and updating the OS which has not been traditionally a strong point of HTC. The S4 is already ahead of the One with 4.2.2 and next up is KLP or some revision of JB. I'm willing to bet that the S4 will have the next OS update long before the One does and that was my point.
    That update that I believe beat the evo lte I had by less than a month was the first update in awhile or ever that Samsung had beat htc. The overall stats prior to this wasn't close.

    Sent from my HTCONE using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
    05-06-2013 09:38 AM
  8. varsityhacker's Avatar
    That update that I believe beat the evo lte I had by less than a month was the first update in awhile or ever that Samsung had beat htc. The overall stats prior to this wasn't close.

    Sent from my HTCONE using Xparent BlueTapatalk 2
    Maybe on the Now network, but on ATT not even close. Again lets see which phone on Sprint gets the first OS update (not a patch or fix) the One or the S4.
    05-06-2013 10:17 AM
  9. varsityhacker's Avatar
    This will become a much more heated topic for HTC users if the revised Jelly Bean/new Key Lime Pie has anything game-changing. As important as bug fixes are (as Samsung is hopefully finding out), keeping your OS updated so it doesn't fall behind is a huge selling point.
    Agree completely. Samsung got wise and realized that people want OS updates like they had on their iPhone. If you have a flagship phone with Samsung then you will get OS updates for the phone. Just like the GS3 and the Note.
    05-06-2013 10:22 AM
  10. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Fact and opinions are 2 different things,yes the i agree the S4 will outsell the One,but beyond that it becomes an opinion,just like when Apple releases the next Iphone it will outsell the S4,but does that make it a better phone, most on these forums would dis agree.
    He said he went to 2 stores. Both had HTC islands. Both sold out of the S4 on launch day. Both had HTC One in stock.

    Yep, definitely a bunch of nonsensical opinions and nothing even close to facts. I can't believe someone would come on here and blatantly trash one device over another in such a way. I would NEVER believe that both locations had HTC Islands set up, and even if they did....that's just his opinion.
    05-06-2013 10:25 AM
  11. majorpayne's Avatar
    It took nearly 6 months i got my rezound in January and it was released in November,if you are saying the ICS update.and i was pleased with the phone for that time,until November 2012 when i walked into the Verizon store to pay a bill,and seen the DNA played with it,and wound up adding a line and walking out with it,still no regrets,serves me well,i still use the rezound for my computer repair business,for customer phone calls and texts and my DNA for everything else.
    I got mine in Nov in fact Black Friday through Costco. 6 months for you but 9 for me but yet was promised that it would be the first phone to get it(early 2012).. Yet phones that came out at the same time had it months before. HTC even release the RUU 1 month before Verizon did. The fact is that HTC or Verizon suck at updates and do not get them done in a timely fashion.
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    05-06-2013 11:06 AM
  12. Eric Kane's Avatar
    He said he went to 2 stores. Both had HTC islands. Both sold out of the S4 on launch day. Both had HTC One in stock.

    Yep, definitely a bunch of nonsensical opinions and nothing even close to facts. I can't believe someone would come on here and blatantly trash one device over another in such a way. I would NEVER believe that both locations had HTC Islands set up, and even if they did....that's just his opinion.
    You're right. It's so impossible that AT&T would market this phone. And they lied about having phones in stock and not in stock because they could care less about selling them. Also the best selling phones are the best phones and anyone who says a phone sold out and the other is in stock is automatically infering superiority to the phone that sold out.

    Did I get it right?
    05-06-2013 11:28 AM
  13. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I still think that the average consumer doesn't really care about OS updates. If the phone does what they want when they get it they're happy.

    Major OS updates are double-edged swords. If it goes really well and doesn't cause any issues, adds features, and/or makes the phone faster (Jelly Bean on pretty much everything made them faster) then it's a win. If the update comes out and causes issues, or introduces more bugs (hasn't this happened to every manufacturer at some point in time?) then people will hate it.

    It really depends on how well the update is done I think. That, and if there aren't any new user-facing features I'm not sure most people would even notice they got an update.


    And, of course, security patches are an entirely different matter. Those should be mandatory.
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    05-06-2013 11:43 AM
  14. Eric Kane's Avatar
    I still think that the average consumer doesn't really care about OS updates. If the phone does what they want when they get it they're happy.

    Major OS updates are double-edged swords. If it goes really well and doesn't cause any issues, adds features, and/or makes the phone faster (Jelly Bean on pretty much everything made them faster) then it's a win. If the update comes out and causes issues, or introduces more bugs (hasn't this happened to every manufacturer at some point in time?) then people will hate it.

    It really depends on how well the update is done I think. That, and if there aren't any new user-facing features I'm not sure most people would even notice they got an update.


    And, of course, security patches are an entirely different matter. Those should be mandatory.
    The average consumer doesn't care about half the things that are being complained about, but we discuss it anyways. As long as HTC commits to the One, I think you'll see a difference in their ability to update. If I were them, I'd create a marketing campaign around the fact that almost every tech site around has compared it favorably to the S4 instead of touting their "BoomSound" speakers when, as impressive as they are, people typically use headphones on their mobile devices.

    Then again, the average consumer doesn't worry about a design being similiar to the model prior, doesn't notice the occasional stutter, and doesn't seem to be worried about the aesthetics of the UI, so maybe that wouldn't be such a good idea.
    05-06-2013 12:02 PM
  15. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    The average consumer doesn't care about half the things that are being complained about, but we discuss it anyways. As long as HTC commits to the One, I think you'll see a difference in their ability to update. If I were them, I'd create a marketing campaign around the fact that almost every tech site around has compared it favorably to the S4 instead of touting their "BoomSound" speakers when, as impressive as they are, people typically use headphones on their mobile devices.

    Then again, the average consumer doesn't worry about a design being similiar to the model prior, doesn't notice the occasional stutter, and doesn't seem to be worried about the aesthetics of the UI, so maybe that wouldn't be such a good idea.
    Way to ignore the rest of my comment entirely.

    If we're going to talk about what HTC should market, and this is just an opinion, it's Zoe's and Highlights. Everybody that I've shown them to has been really impressed. Gimmick or not.
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    05-06-2013 12:21 PM
  16. Eric Kane's Avatar
    Way to ignore the rest of my comment entirely.

    If we're going to talk about what HTC should market, and this is just an opinion, it's Zoe's and Highlights. Everybody that I've shown them to has been really impressed. Gimmick or not.
    Oh, I thought "As long as HTC commits to the One, I think you'll see a difference in their ability to update" kind of summed up my thoughts on that. As far as Zoe and Highlights are concerned, that would easily be a better choice than BoomSound. Although I really can't say if they will do anything else at this point, HTC seems dead set on marketing their devices to audiophiles. I remember the Rezound commercials pretty vivdly. Not entirely sure how that device faired, but I'd guess not too well.

    But the speakers are on the -front- this time, so all bets are off.
    05-06-2013 12:41 PM
  17. GadgetGator's Avatar
    It's not surprising the S4 is selling more simply because of the Galaxy name that people are used to now, though it should be reminded that that was not always the case. But what this story leaves out of the picture is the really important part: how well is the S4 selling compared to the comparable timeframe during the s3's launch? I would be interested to know if the HTC One is putting a dent in S4 sales, if even a little.

    I think HTC could really have an impact if they would advertise more and show off the unique features of their device more. As for those who pan the lack of removable SDCard and battery, it seems like more and more phones are leaning that way. If the entire industry goes that way at some point, which I believe it will as SD card tech isn't going to be supported forever, will everyone stop buying new phones? No. As for the slams against the One's camera that some want to do, if you look through many of the examples posted in the One forum here, you'll see lots of really amazing photos and video posted proving the HTC is more then up to the task. So I think when everything is looked at objectively, the HTC has a lot of potential sales, if they can just get the word out better. Not sure what they are doing with Verizon at this point, but I will say these exclusive deals with carriers (64gb only to AT&T) don't help sales any. It just creates confusion in the marketplace which is the last thing they need.
    05-06-2013 12:52 PM
  18. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Oh, I thought "As long as HTC commits to the One, I think you'll see a difference in their ability to update" kind of summed up my thoughts on that. As far as Zoe and Highlights are concerned, that would easily be a better choice than BoomSound. Although I really can't say if they will do anything else at this point, HTC seems dead set on marketing their devices to audiophiles. I remember the Rezound commercials pretty vivdly. Not entirely sure how that device faired, but I'd guess not too well.

    But the speakers are on the -front- this time, so all bets are off.
    Kind of sad, too, because Beats is NOT synonymous with audiophile sound.

    The Rezound didn't do all that well. It got trampled by the RAZR and Galaxy Nexus. At least that's my guess.
    05-06-2013 02:09 PM
  19. Suda's Avatar
    I still think that the average consumer doesn't really care about OS updates. If the phone does what they want when they get it they're happy.

    Major OS updates are double-edged swords. If it goes really well and doesn't cause any issues, adds features, and/or makes the phone faster (Jelly Bean on pretty much everything made them faster) then it's a win. If the update comes out and causes issues, or introduces more bugs (hasn't this happened to every manufacturer at some point in time?) then people will hate it.

    It really depends on how well the update is done I think. That, and if there aren't any new user-facing features I'm not sure most people would even notice they got an update.


    And, of course, security patches are an entirely different matter. Those should be mandatory.
    I don't usually come around these parts anymore, I'll admit I've been run off by all the trolling and bickering by grown adults that's been going on. But this post was enough for me to log in and say what's quoted above is one of the more moronic things I've read on this particular website. You better believe people care about updates, average or advanced consumers. It's one of the reasons why people like Apple, because their device will be supported guaranteed. It's also one of the reasons Samsung is at the top because of their timely updates. It's also why no one bought HTC phones before this year, and why HTC is telling everyone it can that's interested in the One that it'll be supported. It's also been rumored why Google is apparently releasing a 4.3 before the usual jump so that OEMs catch up. Fragmentation is not fiction, it's a fact.

    Do average people know when the OS is typically unveiled and the ins and outs of it? Probably not. Would those same people knowingly buy a device knowing it will never get an update? Hell no. It's kind of implied when people shell out large amounts of money to buy off contract or sign their names on 2 yr. contracts that they expect what they're buying to get support, and rightfully so. Otherwise, if people didn't care then HTC wouldn't be in the mess it's in right now. You better believe if the One doesn't get updated that no one will buy from HTC again. Not after all the promises of updates and vibes of righting the ship that they've given off.
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    05-06-2013 03:04 PM
  20. benny3's Avatar
    All i say is To each their own. I dont think one phone is any better than the other. It's all personal preference , I choose Htc cuz thats what i like. I don't need the features that Samsung comes ..some do. But i'm not going to knock it just because i don't use it.
    05-06-2013 04:18 PM
  21. madlaw1071's Avatar
    Way to ignore the rest of my comment entirely.

    If we're going to talk about what HTC should market, and this is just an opinion, it's Zoe's and Highlights. Everybody that I've shown them to has been really impressed. Gimmick or not.
    Agreed, all the marketing I've seen seems geared towards the late teens early 20s crowd, which is quite a gamble considering the lack of disposable income that age bracket has.
    05-06-2013 04:27 PM
  22. Patrick Schroedl's Avatar
    Agreed, all the marketing I've seen seems geared towards the late teens early 20s crowd, which is quite a gamble considering the lack of disposable income that age bracket has.
    That's a very good point. I agree with Kevin, HTC should focus on Zoe/Highlights, as well as the aluminum build quality. As said before, HTC needs a significant marketing push in order to "bounce back" this year. I'm not talking about selling numbers equal to the S4, but rather just enough to steal a bit of the spotlight from Samsung.

    Competition is good, and Samsung could use a bit more of it. Everybody wins when manufacturers compete, not overshadow.
    05-06-2013 05:11 PM
  23. madlaw1071's Avatar
    That's a very good point. I agree with Kevin, HTC should focus on Zoe/Highlights, as well as the aluminum build quality. As said before, HTC needs a significant marketing push in order to "bounce back" this year. I'm not talking about selling numbers equal to the S4, but rather just enough to steal a bit of the spotlight from Samsung.

    Competition is good, and Samsung could use a bit more of it. Everybody wins when manufacturers compete, not overshadow.
    I think they will sell enough One's to survive as a viable manufacturer. HOWEVER, I don't see them stealing any spotlight from Samsung. 2012 absolutely killed HTC. They came out with sub-par phones, horrible marketing at a time when Sammy pushed all the right buttons and Apple was, well Apple. That management team should have been cast aside.
    05-06-2013 05:25 PM
  24. ffejjj's Avatar
    2012 I bought the best cell phone I ever bought. HTC Evo lte. Still a great phone

    Sent from my EVO using Android Central Forums
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    05-06-2013 05:29 PM
  25. GrooveRite's Avatar
    Kind of sad, too, because Beats is NOT synonymous with audiophile sound.
    Very true! I'd give HTC more credit if they sided with Sennheiser, Shure, et al!
    05-06-2013 05:47 PM
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