[Aquila]

I like how this post is supposedly "stirring the pot" and not just stating a fact.

I'm also STILL confused how that one single user has such an issue with your use of "shady" to describe a lack of information given by Samsung. And that's still being referenced! Sheeeeeesh.

You realize the only way to redeem yourself is to order the S4 and place a down payment on the S5, right?

When Sammy doesn't execute, Sammy shouldn't be paid. That rewards them for mediocre performance. The point about high expectations is extremely valid. The S4 was announced and many people went, "that's it?" Of course not everyone is going to want it or buy it. If they did, things would be boring and there'd be no reason for anyone to ever improve anything.

[LegalAmerican]

When Sammy doesn't execute, Sammy shouldn't be paid. That rewards them for mediocre performance. The point about high expectations is extremely valid. The S4 was announced and many people went, "that's it?" Of course not everyone is going to want it or buy it. If they did, things would be boring and there'd be no reason for anyone to ever improve anything.

I completely agree. I expect so much out of Samsung after how great the S3 was for me. I don't think an SD card slot should be a knock on them, but that's just cause I still get some use out of one. The S4 seems like a great phone, but I was slightly underwhelmed. However, you know they could come out with the best device in the history of the world and certain people would still just call it gimmicky. Basically fans will be fans of whatever manufacturer and there's not too many on this site who will give credit where it's due. I know there's a few who do, but threads like these I feel prove my point.

On the flip side, Samsung could come out with a hot piece of shiz and some people would still think it was a gift from the heavens.

[Jennifer Stough]

So I'm kind of at a loss here...did the change log specifically say that there was a fix added to address what users were commonly referring to as lag? If not, the so called "fix" that many users are referring to could have just been a side effect of the other issues that were addressed in the update. Regardless, there are still s4 users reporting lag, even after the update. That isn't fictitious. I wouldnt be hopeful if I was an s4 user who had lag, because it wasn't addressed in the update changelog. I would be grateful if it corrected the problem, but I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch here discussing specifics.

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[TheLibertarian]

Samsung and Qualcomm have given us the info and he chooses not to believe it and the used the shady word with no substantiation other than one relatively obscure blogger who didn't himself seem to think anything nefarious was at play, but then this is a subject for the "shady" thread not this one.

I'm aware, I witnessed that monstrosity of a thread. You and I just read Kevin's posts differently. When he said "shady," I agreed. That's not to say I thought Samsung was pulling a fast one on us, it was just questionable with the varying model numbers.

I'm not Michael Vick, I don't have a dog in this fight- my only point was as I'm indifferent I haven't seen this merciless devaluing of the S4 from Kevin like you have.

[paul-c]

People are just gushing over the One because it's a complete overhaul from what HTC did with the One X last year. Seems reasonable, considering Samsung basically phoned it in this year with the S4. Not that they shouldn't have, this is what happens when you have a successful phone like the S3. It isn't wise to change things up too much coming off the heels of an amazing year. I don't think biased has anything to do with it, the One is just a more refreshing phone, that's all. This being said, I'm getting the Sony Xperia ZL, so I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

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[tohio]

Anybody is more than welcome to PM me if they have questions about any decisions that I've made. Publicly questioning a Mod decision like that is frowned upon. I definitely won't discuss specifics in public.

Ha Ha.

[Kevin OQuinn]

Samsung and Qualcomm have given us the info and he chooses not to believe it and the used the shady word with no substantiation other than one relatively obscure blogger who didn't himself seem to think anything nefarious was at play, but then this is a subject for the "shady" thread not this one.

That was given AFTER my "shady" remark. People failed to realize that.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

So I'm kind of at a loss here...did the change log specifically say that there was a fix added to address what users were commonly referring to as lag? If not, the so called "fix" that many users are referring to could have just been a side effect of the other issues that were addressed in the update. Regardless, there are still s4 users reporting lag, even after the update. That isn't fictitious. I wouldnt be hopeful if I was an s4 user who had lag, because it wasn't addressed in the update changelog. I would be grateful if it corrected the problem, but I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch here discussing specifics.

Sent from my Verizon Droid DNA

No. Nothing relating to performance improvements was specifically stated.

I agree with the rest of your statement.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

Ha Ha.

Ha ha? Ask anybody that's PM'd me about Mod stuff. I'll most likely answer, but to promise or guarantee an answer would be foolish.

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[Eric Kane]

So I'm kind of at a loss here...did the change log specifically say that there was a fix added to address what users were commonly referring to as lag? If not, the so called "fix" that many users are referring to could have just been a side effect of the other issues that were addressed in the update. Regardless, there are still s4 users reporting lag, even after the update. That isn't fictitious. I wouldnt be hopeful if I was an s4 user who had lag, because it wasn't addressed in the update changelog. I would be grateful if it corrected the problem, but I wouldn't get my panties in a bunch here discussing specifics.

Sent from my Verizon Droid DNA

Change logs aren't always going to go over every little detail. They probably didn't mention anything specific to performance because it was probably corrected by fixing something else. Who knows.

You know who's probably still seeing lag? Sprint users who didn't get this update. When you've got hundreds of people saying they've had their issue fixed and a much smaller amount saying it isn't, there might be other things at play.

[c1971ace]

Mods are people too and have the right to their OPINIONS and preferences just like the rest of us common folk. Just take the phones try them and form your own opinions and choose the one that suits YOU. End of story. Nothing more to see here.....

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[Jennifer Stough]

Change logs aren't always going to go over every little detail. They probably didn't mention anything specific to performance because it was probably corrected by fixing something else. Who knows.

You know who's probably still seeing lag? Sprint users who didn't get this update. When you've got hundreds of people saying they've had their issue fixed and a much smaller amount saying it isn't, there might be other things at play.

Perhaps. But since the lag was such a major issue, you'd think they would specifically address whether or not they fixed it. Unless theyre too shady to admit they had a problem and fixed it behind the book. Not stating this as fact, just as a possibility. You're right, it could be sprint users who haven't gotten the update, but I was specifically talking about users who have. Look at it this way, some users have these infamous problems, some don't. It fixes the issues for some, and makes it worse for some. Just look at the latest update for the droid DNA for correction to the SIM problem.

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[JHBThree]

Samsung and Qualcomm have given us the info and he chooses not to believe it and the used the shady word with no substantiation other than one relatively obscure blogger who didn't himself seem to think anything nefarious was at play, but then this is a subject for the "shady" thread not this one.

That is not remotely close to what he actually said. He said it would be shady if Samsung and Qualcomm were using an inferior part but calling it a 600. Which is reasonable.

Also, the blogger in question is not obscure, and he provided plenty of evidence in his write up that the part could be inferior to the one in the One. He said he did not know, however, and was reaching out to Qualcomm.

Nothing Kevin said was unreasonable, and when he was presented with the info given by Qualcomm he walked back his original statement. But you and others still attacked him despite that.

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[Eric Kane]

Perhaps. But since the lag was such a major issue, you'd think they would specifically address whether or not they fixed it. Unless theyre too shady to admit they had a problem and fixed it behind the book. Not stating this as fact, just as a possibility. You're right, it could be sprint users who haven't gotten the update, but I was specifically talking about users who have. Look at it this way, some users have these infamous problems, some don't. It fixes the issues for some, and makes it worse for some. Just look at the latest update for the droid DNA for correction to the SIM problem.

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That's the thing; it wasn't a major issue. It didn't render the phone unusable. "Touchwiz being Touchwiz" is probably the best way to describe it. It's still not running as good as it could be in the end, no phone 2 weeks old is, but it's fixed the issues of stuttering.

When you've got people hell bent on creating a stigma about a phone, specifically one as popular as the S4, you'll get things blown out of proportion. Can't speculate on the reasons why, but it's hilarious nonetheless.

[madlaw1071]

That is not remotely close to what he actually said. He said it would be shady if Samsung and Qualcomm were using an inferior part but calling it a 600. Which is reasonable.

Also, the blogger in question is not obscure, and he provided plenty of evidence in his write up that the part could be inferior to the one in the One. He said he did not know, however, and was reaching out to Qualcomm.

Nothing Kevin said was unreasonable, and when he was presented with the info given by Qualcomm he walked back his original statement. But you and others still attacked him despite that.

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To my recollection there was no evidence the chip was inferior. To the contrary all evidence suggested it was a 600 chip as confirmed by both Samsung and Qualcomm.

[JHBThree]

To my recollection there was no evidence the chip was inferior. To the contrary all evidence suggested it was a 600 chip as confirmed by both Samsung and Qualcomm.

Actually, the evidence uncovered by the writer was that it could be an inferior chip given the parts numbers that were used. There was actually no evidence at all that it was a 600, while there was evidence to the contrary.

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[Kevin OQuinn]

To my recollection there was no evidence the chip was inferior. To the contrary all evidence suggested it was a 600 chip as confirmed by both Samsung and Qualcomm.

Please go back and reread the article. Different part numbers. The part samsung is using is closer to the S4 Pro than the S600 (or is right in the middle). Thats what started it.

Nobody said inferior. They said different than what was known to be the S600 part number. That, combined with the slight performance issues, is what led to the conclusion that it might be something different.

Then qualcomm gave us a press release. End of argument.

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[planoman]

Mods are people too and have the right to their OPINIONS and preferences just like the rest of us common folk. Just take the phones try them and form your own opinions and choose the one that suits YOU. End of story. Nothing more to see here.....

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I agree with this... Too many of us taking themselves too seriouly...trying to play gotcha and be the smartest person in the room. Let the Mods do their jobs which includes their opinions as well, I want to know what they think. Jerry said it in another thread...I have never seen so many people worry about how someone else spends their money. I saw a guy with a HTC One today and said nice phone and he complimented my Nexus 4. I told him I was thinking of ordering the 32GB S4 on Friday and he said that is a great phone...get the hint...?

[adriandb]

The fact that you even argue with us, rather than just moderating, highlights the problem.

Having moderated on a similarly debate-happy forum I can say that the reason most of these mods get involved is because they are interested in the conversation. They're as passionate about the topics as anyone else. But you have to understand that they're allowed to have personality and post as any other user and keep that completely separate from moderation duties. I mean, didn't most of them start out as a regular user first anyway?

Also, you come across as whiney sometimes.

[Aquila]

sad + lol = awkward sound.

[jroc]

I don't think it's any secret that I'm fond of the Samsung Galaxy S4. I've spent the past week or so answering as many questions as I could, talking people off the ledge about the "lag", offering insights on what I thought the issues were with the phone, etc. I have also owned the HTC One, a phone often compared, usually favorably, to the S4. Now that I've established that, let me make something perfectly clear:

Some of you are way out of bounds on accusing this site specifically about being biased and pushing the One over the S4. There's absolutely nothing wrong with choosing the One over the S4 and being happy with that choice. Today, Jerry started a thread based on his experiences with the S4 and pointed out a lot of the very same things I've been saying about the supposed lag, why it stutters, etc. He offered up his opinion on the phone, mentioned very briefly that he prefers the One because of the camera and the speakers, and that was it. After a few good responses, the thread turned into an angry mob of people upset that he mentioned he prefers the One. If you've listened to the podcasts, I believe he's vocalized it there, too. So has Alex. You know what? That's their choice and in no way is it being biased.

Do you blame them? The One is the proverbial "wet dream" for reviewers. It covers all the negatives most reviewers complain about and turns them into positives. It's almost as if HTC took a checklist out and wrote down what most reviewers complain about and said "Do the opposite of this" to their team. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, either, because the One is a great phone. Do I think some review sites piggyback on other reviews and agree for the sake of agreeing? A little. Is this site one of them? Not even close. I would trust any of those guys to be objective and review a phone. It's the reason I post here and nowhere else.

That being said, there's nothing stating that you need to agree with their assessments, either. Personally, I prefer the S4 and would debate it with anyone (ask Kevin). That doesn't mean that I get upset that they don't agree with me. It just means we have different views and different uses on/for these phones.

I believe that coming up soon, as they mentioned in their podcast, they're all going to pick what phone they prefer, even if Phil questioned if they "reeeeeeaaaally have to". Don't get upset if they choose the One. It all comes down to personal preference.

I'm glad you bought up that thread... I didnt get in before the lock to tell him his opinion was appreciated. Its a shame the thread got locked and ppl started acting the way they did. Some ppl dont realize or understand that you can give credit to, praise a product and still like, prefer something else.. I do with with the iPhone, iOS from time to time. I will never own one tho. I dont really like Samsung or HTC phones....lol. But I give them credit for what they do well.

[strawhatnito0890]

This is a very topic as i have had it almost everyday for the last two week after i got my htc one. its a great phone and i really love it. i love the feature on the phone, the camera is superber its way better than my last phone(iphone5).Don't get me wrong the s4 is a great phone but i perfer the htc one because i like the phone better as far as design, the display, battery life htc sense 5 every thing. I guess i like something different from the normal and htc gives me that and s4 won't. Don't hate me or anyone else that love the phone because its are opinion and not yours.

[zero neck]

holy hell. this. thread.

just my thoughts on the subject: the mods donate their time and effort to these forums to make AC the best place to discuss all things android. your incessant condescension and harping is awfully inappropriate.

so, thank you to all the mods, ambassadors, editors and writers etc. you all do a fantastic job for this site, which is [usually] a very pleasant place to hang around, shoot the breeze, and help people out.

[tohio]

Well, if the word moderate is defined as arguing with forum members rather that being an unbiased arbitrator then I guess you are correct. Have you noticed that when someone who is associated with this site argues with a forum member the sycophants defend the site members right to argue. But, when a forum member disagrees with a moderator or editor they are advised to close their account and leave.

[Paul627g]

Well, if the word moderate is defined as arguing with forum members rather that being an unbiased arbitrator then I guess you are correct. Have you noticed that when someone who is associated with this site argues with a forum member the sycophants defend the site members right to argue. But, when a forum member disagrees with a moderator or editor they are advised to close their account and leave.

Why must we continue to openly discuss our moderating practices? If you were to read the community forum rules & guidelines everything we do is based off the exact same thing that is posted for everyone to read along with a full breakdown of infractions, points and temp & permanent bans.

But, when a forum member disagrees with a moderator or editor they are advised to close their account and leave.

I would like to see any proof of one of the moderating staff telling a member to close their account and leave. Honestly we have on more than one occasion as of late discussed our actions when questioned, PUBLICLY which is something we aren't required to do.

But go ahead... Lets throw this thread under the bus again so a few hundred more can shake their head at this ongoing nonsense...