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  1. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    That's why we love our Nexus phones. Every 6 months we get a little surprise.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    Urrgh...Nexus, if they started fitting them with good cameras, decent DACs, great screens, bigger batteries and mem expansion maybe then I'd consider getting one.
    05-11-2013 02:56 PM
  2. tohio's Avatar
    Yeah sorry

    Posted via Android Central App using my Nexus 4
    Well, I have to give you credit for being honest and admitting a mistake. I don't know how many times I have written off a product because of bias or preconceived notions only to change my mind later. I looked at the HTC One X and decided on the S3 and looked at the HTC One and choose the S4. But I can honestly say it was a rational decision based on features and not some bias.
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    05-11-2013 02:57 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    Urrgh...Nexus, if they started fitting them with good cameras, decent DACs, great screens, bigger batteries and mem expansion maybe then I'd consider getting one.
    Everything except the last one is possible.
    TomsAndroid likes this.
    05-11-2013 03:02 PM
  4. xlDeMoNiClx's Avatar
    Urrgh...Nexus, if they started fitting them with good cameras, decent DACs, great screens, bigger batteries and mem expansion maybe then I'd consider getting one.
    The camera was the only thing you mentioned that the N4 needed. The rest were good.

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    05-11-2013 03:23 PM
  5. anon5664829's Avatar
    What are the actual differences from the S3 to S4 screen besides size and resolution?

    Does it still use the same underlying technology resulting in similar brightness, sharpness, color, contrast, and balance?
    Same base tech but the pixel arrangement is different, it looks much sharper and brighter. Although still not as much as my N4.

    Posted via Android Central App using my Nexus 4
    05-11-2013 04:24 PM
  6. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    The camera was the only thing you mentioned that the N4 needed. The rest were good.

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    For me personally, none of them were coming from the GS3, and certainly not a patch on GS4.
    05-11-2013 04:25 PM
  7. anon5664829's Avatar
    Urrgh...Nexus, if they started fitting them with good cameras, decent DACs, great screens, bigger batteries and mem expansion maybe then I'd consider getting one.
    The screen is good , battery could be better ,mem expansion whether you like it or not is legacy features that will be dropped soon. greater camera next year. The Nexus phones are amazing

    Posted via Android Central App using my Nexus 4
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    05-11-2013 04:29 PM
  8. Nreeldeep's Avatar
    We all make comments and judgments about phones before they are released based on specs etc... Sometimes just holding it fitter the first time will change your opinion. For example saw my first 4k TV yesterday and was more blown away than I thought I would be

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk HD
    No we don't ALL make judgements about phones before they are released. Some of us have the good sense to handle devices prior to offering personal impressions.
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    05-11-2013 04:54 PM
  9. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    The screen is good , battery could be better ,mem expansion whether you like it or not is legacy features that will be dropped soon. greater camera next year. The Nexus phones are amazing

    Posted via Android Central App using my Nexus 4
    Mem expansion a legacy feature that will be dropped soon??? Highly doubt Samsung will do something that stupid anytime soon, not until mobile networks have a proper infrustructure to handle Cloud Storage consistently, even Sony brought it back after the Xperia S failed.
    05-11-2013 05:08 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    Mem expansion a legacy feature that will be dropped soon??? Highly doubt Samsung will do something that stupid anytime soon, not until mobile networks have a proper infrustructure to handle Cloud Storage consistently, even Sony brought it back after the Xperia S failed.
    Yes, removable SD storage is not supported by Android officially. Manufacturers are of course free to make modifications to allow for it and they probably will continue to do so for awhile, but it's not just cloud storage that can replace the need, they could also make 512GB internal storage with very little added bulk to the device.
    05-11-2013 05:19 PM
  11. anon5664829's Avatar
    No we don't ALL make judgements about phones before they are released. Some of us have the good sense to handle devices prior to offering personal impressions.
    It's human nature to. Get of your high horse.
    05-11-2013 05:45 PM
  12. Aquila's Avatar
    No we don't ALL make judgements about phones before they are released. Some of us have the good sense to handle devices prior to offering personal impressions.
    Life would be nearly impossible if we couldn't learn from other people. You're suggesting, by continuing that argument forward, that learning abstract or standing on the shoulders of predecessors is impossible without first hand knowledge of every detail of the universe. Like you can't look at a picture of a device, or car or building and think, "that's ugly" with any shred of integrity, because you didn't touch the device or car or building yourself. You can know 99.99% about just about anything without ever touching it. You can know what the molecular composition of the rings of Saturn without taking your gloves off in space, or without going to space. You can know how many teeth a shark might have without sticking your fingers in and counting. The only thing you can't know without touching a device is what it feels like to you, although you can extrapolate it based on the context of your knowledge of other things combined with your comprehension of reviews by peers and experts. I'm sorry, but to suggest first hand - hands on experience is required in order to have "good sense" when commentating on a subject is just absurd.

    This absurdity is multiplied when you consider that a person is offering their opinion and not a scientific analysis. Any person can think whatever they want, and since they're expressing their perception, there is no way for them to be incorrect. What they are perceiving may be incomplete or in disagreement with what you perceive, but accuracy is determined in that case by the articulation of their opinion, not the comprehensiveness of their understanding of the subject. If I say, "I think pink is an ugly color" and you think it's awesome, we disagree and those are opinions. In the real world, we'd both be stupid because pink is not a color, scientifically... but since we're just offering opinions of our impressions, it's okay for us to disagree and also okay to change our minds.
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    05-11-2013 05:57 PM
  13. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    Yes, removable SD storage is not supported by Android officially. Manufacturers are of course free to make modifications to allow for it and they probably will continue to do so for awhile, but it's not just cloud storage that can replace the need, they could also make 512GB internal storage with very little added bulk to the device.
    512GB cannot come soon enough, in actual fact, I was expecting Samsung to start the GS4 at 32GB, then 64GB and 128GB, thought we would see some 128GB phones this year, hopefully later this year we will.
    Aquila and msndrstood like this.
    05-11-2013 06:00 PM
  14. anon5664829's Avatar
    512GB cannot come soon enough, in actual fact, I was expecting Samsung to start the GS4 at 32GB, then 64GB and 128GB, thought we would see some 128GB phones this year, hopefully later this year we will.
    Maybe 2014?
    05-11-2013 06:06 PM
  15. Tsepz_GP's Avatar
    Maybe 2014?
    I hope so, I hear the Snapdragon 800 can do 4K video, so chances are next year's flagship phones will have cam units that can do it and will need a ton of memory, this 16GB nonsense has to stop, it was fine like 2years ago.
    05-11-2013 06:12 PM
  16. anon5664829's Avatar
    I hope so, I hear the Snapdragon 800 can do 4K video, so chances are next year's flagship phones will have cam units that can do it and will need a ton of memory, this 16GB nonsense has to stop, it was fine like 2years ago.
    Yeah, and they can do it. right now if they wanted to.
    05-11-2013 06:28 PM
  17. Aquila's Avatar
    Yeah, and they can do it. right now if they wanted to.
    In another thread someone said that they were limited to 64GB per single chip until this year so that's why we hadn't seen it broken yet.
    05-11-2013 06:33 PM
  18. Nreeldeep's Avatar
    It's human nature to. Get of your high horse.
    I'll accept that it's obviously YOUR human nature. Just don't lump me in that generalization based on your own experiences.
    05-11-2013 07:45 PM
  19. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    This thread gives me hope for the fate of the HTC/Samsung communiy.

    Edit: at least for some of them. Lol. Kudos to chetan for admitting a mistake. If everyone could do the same, this would be a much more peaceful place.

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
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    05-11-2013 07:48 PM
  20. anon5664829's Avatar
    I'll accept that it's obviously YOUR human nature. Just don't lump me in that generalization based on your own experiences.
    No it is general human nature.

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    This thread gives me hope for the fate of the HTC/Samsung communiy.

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
    I hope the rivalry goes down. You would think that it was two countries fighting each other.
    TomsAndroid likes this.
    05-11-2013 07:49 PM
  21. Nreeldeep's Avatar
    Life would be nearly impossible if we couldn't learn from other people. You're suggesting, by continuing that argument forward, that learning abstract or standing on the shoulders of predecessors is impossible without first hand knowledge of every detail of the universe. Like you can't look at a picture of a device, or car or building and think, "that's ugly" with any shred of integrity, because you didn't touch the device or car or building yourself. You can know 99.99% about just about anything without ever touching it. You can know what the molecular composition of the rings of Saturn without taking your gloves off in space, or without going to space. You can know how many teeth a shark might have without sticking your fingers in and counting. The only thing you can't know without touching a device is what it feels like to you, although you can extrapolate it based on the context of your knowledge of other things combined with your comprehension of reviews by peers and experts. I'm sorry, but to suggest first hand - hands on experience is required in order to have "good sense" when commentating on a subject is just absurd.

    This absurdity is multiplied when you consider that a person is offering their opinion and not a scientific analysis. Any person can think whatever they want, and since they're expressing their perception, there is no way for them to be incorrect. What they are perceiving may be incomplete or in disagreement with what you perceive, but accuracy is determined in that case by the articulation of their opinion, not the comprehensiveness of their understanding of the subject. If I say, "I think pink is an ugly color" and you think it's awesome, we disagree and those are opinions. In the real world, we'd both be stupid because pink is not a color, scientifically... but since we're just offering opinions of our impressions, it's okay for us to disagree and also okay to change our minds.
    Brevity is the soul of wit. YOUR opinion is duly noted and respected. We'll have to agree to disagree.
    05-11-2013 07:50 PM
  22. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    In another thread someone said that they were limited to 64GB per single chip until this year so that's why we hadn't seen it broken yet.
    This. Production ready versions of 128gb chips just happened fairly recently. Too recent to be in current flagships.

    Physical size is a huge limiting factor. I don't see anybody releasing any capacity that would require more than one NAND chip.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    05-11-2013 07:50 PM
  23. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    No it is general human nature.

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    I hope the rivalry goes down. You would think that it was two countries fighting each other.
    Its just hard for some people to realize that two contending phones can offer two amazing yet different experiences without one being "better than the other."

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
    05-11-2013 07:53 PM
  24. Eric Kane's Avatar
    Its just hard for some people to realize that two contending phones can offer two amazing yet different experiences without one being "better than the other."

    Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Android Central Forums
    And in the midst of that, prospective buyers get negative feedback about both phones that most of the time isn't true. It's unfortunate.
    05-11-2013 07:54 PM
  25. Aquila's Avatar
    Brevity is the soul of wit. YOUR opinion is duly noted and respected. We'll have to agree to disagree.
    People make judgement based on experience all the time. If you've ever driven a car, you don't get out and measure the distance to each stop light before deciding when to break, you use your experience from other intersections to help you think about the new encounter. This is the same logic argument; it's just using experience of the S3 to think about the S4. It doesn't mean you'll reach the right conclusion, just that people prejudge just about everything and as they learn they evolve their understanding.
    05-11-2013 07:54 PM
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