10-20-2013 12:06 PM
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  1. bembol's Avatar
    It's a **** move by Samsung, they could've easily released the S4 with 32GB & 64GB like hTc did with the One. It's 2013.

    Rooting should not be the answer. It's like getting an oil change done where they only filled it up half and you go out and buy the oil yourself to fill it up.


    WOW, I can't believe I'm actually going to reply to another one of these threads!
    The fact remains, the vast majority of S4 buyers will never fill the roughly 9Gb of internal storage!...
    Seriously, this your reason for defending Samsung because the average will never use it?
    05-26-2013 02:44 PM
  2. Farish's Avatar
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    Jennifer, while I totally agree that everyone should be nice to people, I also think people shouldn't complain about things when they don't research purchases beforehand well. That goes from everything from a toaster to a car to the neighborhood you live in. Research is key to avoiding disappoiments! I've bought products in the past without researching and lived to regret it. But that was my fault. Not anyone else"s. Store employees are notorious for being uninformed and not the best source to go to for information. Not just on phones, but anything. I once shopped for a car where I knew more about the car then the car salesman. I was flabbergasted. Now I research everything cause doing it myself is the only real way to know and not get fleeced.
    Remember though somebody in my situation. S4 on release day. Not a single review I had watched or read mention the lack of space on the phone. I do not think they even bother looking.

    It is hard to research when information itself is imperfect.
    05-26-2013 02:45 PM
  3. Notsosure's Avatar
    Remember though somebody in my situation. S4 on release day. Not a single review I had watched or read mention the lack of space on the phone. I do not think they even bother looking.

    It is hard to research when information itself is imperfect.
    If the features of this phone is so important to you that you need to make a huge deal out of it why did you not wait for at least a week or 2 after it was released to purchase the phone after reading user reviews. No one forced you to buy the phone on the day of release. It was your decision and yours only. There has been plenty of past records with glitches and unexpected problems with technology with the initial release. And lets say even if you did get the phone on the day of release. You have 2 weeks to decide whether the phone is suitable for your needs before you are locked in. You couldve returned it and got a 32 gig of some other phone. Plus with phones nowadays typically a few people that works for tech groups gets their hands on the phone prior to release date. They put out reviews of the phone on youtube. I saw plenty of those reviews out there even before initial release.

    Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk
    05-26-2013 03:33 PM
  4. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    Yes, researching what you buy before you buy it is a very smart move. It preserves your money and saves you the hassle of getting a lemon. However, as stated before, many people buy what they know without research. If they had the s2, they buy the s3, if they had an iPhone 4, they buy the 5. I can't name how many people I know walk into car dealership and buy a car because it looks good without researching it. And that's a much bigger investment than a phone.

    That being said, this is the third time in this thread that everyone will be warned to please, keep the topic civil. There is no need to talk down to one another.

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    05-26-2013 03:48 PM
  5. Jerry Hildenbrand's Avatar
    I can't help but remember when the Nexus 4 was released, and I said 8GB was enough for me. People, including several in this thread, were quick to let me know how wrong I was
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    05-26-2013 03:56 PM
  6. Farish's Avatar
    If the features of this phone is so important to you that you need to make a huge deal out of it why did you not wait for at least a week or 2 after it was released to purchase the phone after reading user reviews. No one forced you to buy the phone on the day of release. It was your decision and yours only. There has been plenty of past records with glitches and unexpected problems with technology with the initial release. And lets say even if you did get the phone on the day of release. You have 2 weeks to decide whether the phone is suitable for your needs before you are locked in. You couldve returned it and got a 32 gig of some other phone. Plus with phones nowadays typically a few people that works for tech groups gets their hands on the phone prior to release date. They put out reviews of the phone on youtube. I saw plenty of those reviews out there even before initial release.

    Sent from my Galaxy S4 using Tapatalk
    32gb was not available for more than 2 weeks before after the release of S4. I had committed to the S4 I could have returned it and then go back to my iPhone. That is true, I figure I give Android a shot.

    Previously I had owned the iPhone 3g-5. The most space that I ever had used by IOS is about 1.5 gigabytes. Then I have read over and over again that Samsung/Android is on par or better than Apple.

    Nowhere did I read that the operating system was 4-5 times greater than IOS or that this was an issue. As I stated in my post you quoted, that not a single review stated anything about the S4 having only 9ish gb available. Also as I mention in another post, not even the salespeople were aware you could no longer store apps on the SD card.

    Had a single review or the box mention anything specifically about the limited space, I would have held out. When information is not perfect and not available of course this kind of situation happens.
    05-26-2013 04:07 PM
  7. donm527#IM's Avatar
    ok, so are you saying that they were right that 8 gb was not enough? or you saying it's been fine?

    i imagine that with your ability to try and swap new phones at whim, not a luxury everyone has, that you wouldnt fill your phone with much or have it long enough to do so anyways. but most people that are not as fortunate/lucky as you will be STUCK in a two year contract and if like me end up taking over 1000 pics over those two years (having a little one will do that to ya ) then i imagine those 8gb goes fast and if you have the nexus 4 without sd then it becomes an issue. or say that over a year+, you have a number of apps, you keep a little bit of music, you have 500+ pics (at the size that a 13mp camera takes)... you have to start watching how much memory left for those spontaneous moments you want to shoot a vid and you find you only have enough memory to shoot half of it and miss the rest (and that has happened to me on my old 3gs a long time ago and bummed i missed the end of the vid)

    of course everyones situation is different and then you can argue that they should spend the money to get the sd card and quit whining... but in good design and in thinking of consumer use (which they try to claim they do in providing so many bloated features), they should have just sold it as a 32gb unit knowing they took up so much available space. Nexus you can get away with selling an 8gb maybe because you can say it's a developers phone and some will not need more and not intended to be such a mainstream hit that it was.



    I can't help but remember when the Nexus 4 was released, and I said 8GB was enough for me. People, including several in this thread, were quick to let me know how wrong I was
    05-26-2013 04:07 PM
  8. donm527#IM's Avatar
    To add an example to my last post, I have the Nexus 4 with 16gb (because I wanted to make sure I had as much available storage as possible) and earlier this month was somewhere and a rare op came up and captured it on vid... 38 minute video and the file was 1.8 gb... from a N4 with an 8mp camera. I wonder how big a 38 minute vid would be on a 13mp S4? that memory doesnt look like that much to me after a couple of vids like that.
    05-26-2013 04:19 PM
  9. Jerry Hildenbrand's Avatar
    ok, so are you saying that they were right that 8 gb was not enough? or you saying it's been fine?

    i imagine that with your ability to try and swap new phones at whim, not a luxury everyone has, that you wouldnt fill your phone with much or have it long enough to do so anyways. but most people that are not as fortunate/lucky as you will be STUCK in a two year contract and if like me end up taking over 1000 pics over those two years (having a little one will do that to ya ) then i imagine those 8gb goes fast and if you have the nexus 4 without sd then it becomes an issue. or say that over a year+, you have a number of apps, you keep a little bit of music, you have 500+ pics (at the size that a 13mp camera takes)... you have to start watching how much memory left for those spontaneous moments you want to shoot a vid and you find you only have enough memory to shoot half of it and miss the rest (and that has happened to me on my old 3gs a long time ago and bummed i missed the end of the vid)

    of course everyones situation is different and then you can argue that they should spend the money to get the sd card and quit whining... but in good design and in thinking of consumer use (which they try to claim they do in providing so many bloated features), they should have just sold it as a 32gb unit knowing they took up so much available space. Nexus you can get away with selling an 8gb maybe because you can say it's a developers phone and some will not need more and not intended to be such a mainstream hit that it was.
    My point was people defend whatever choice they made, no matter the situation.
    05-26-2013 04:47 PM
  10. Raptor007's Avatar
    Root your S4, install Foldermount https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...e.fmount&hl=en and put the apps on the external SD card.
    05-26-2013 05:19 PM
  11. GMJeff's Avatar
    Honestly, arguing storage space on a N4 or Galaxy Nexus is a moot point.

    I can take hour long video with the 13 MP camera and save the GBs of data to the 32GB sd card. Then when I have time, I can download the video to my laptop and save it for future posterity. That could also include copying it to external media or burning it to cd/dvd media.

    As people have mentioned before, as far as cell phones go, the alloted amount of storage, in this case, 16 GB may not be enough for some users, but for average consumer, as well as global sales, the 9 or 10 GB "should" be enough.

    People would buy 8 GB iphones every day. Apple just went away from them this year for 16 GB minimum. How much room do they have after fotmatting and OS install.

    Should Samsung have made the S4 a minimum of 32 GB, sure, but they have a bottom line as a company, and their profit margin is at stake if they use bigger memory chips.

    As computer manufacturers can attest, a pc with a 500 GB hard drive will be lacking around 10% of their hard drive space after formatting. The OS then takes 4 GB of space minimum for caching, virtual memory, system files etc.

    Also, as for people seeming to be condescending in their posts is solely out of frustration of having to read posts like this multiple times for an issue that started to come to light in Android 3.0 Honeycomb. At least that was where I first saw it, on my tablet.

    We have been through at least two or three Android releases over the past few years and all have seen the same thing. No apps to sd card. Even device salespeople, unless they use iphones all of the time, should know this. If they do not, they are obviously not trained properly or dont care.

    Also noted is that the OP said they had an S3 with 32GB, but didn't realize the apps couldn't be moved to sd card. Hard to imagine that is realistic. As foe the Tom Tom app, you should contact them to figure out why the map data isnt saving to sd card, sounds like an app bug.

    Sorry for the long post, just a lot of data streaming from my mind about this lengthy 6 page post.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 2
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    05-26-2013 05:24 PM
  12. Jaycemiskel's Avatar
    One thing I don't get is this, for everyone that's saying well HTC didn't put out a 16gb, why didn't you get the HTC? Unless you're on Verizon of course. If you chose the Samsung, then it has to be cause of some of the features right? An if so, those features take up space. I wish they had a 32gb on Verizon but I figured out how to make it work for me. If it's not possible for you to make it work, you should definitely take the phone back.

    Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    05-26-2013 08:42 PM
  13. SenseMonkey's Avatar
    Calling someone or a company a fraud is pretty serious and I disagree with you. You may be new to android but you should have exercised some judgement before plucking down a couple hundred dollars. There is no device that has 16GB of memory when that is listed so the term fraud is not applicable since I am certain somewhere it says formatted space is less. Granted the S4 OS takes up more than others, but 9GB is a lot of space for apps. It is the android OS not the OEM that removed app to SD. Any android device wth an OS above 4 would have this issue.
    I disagree here, my old evo 3D still was able to move apps to sd when it got updated to ICS. The Gs3 couldn't do it even though it was running ICS before it got updated to Jb too.

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    05-26-2013 08:44 PM
  14. SenseMonkey's Avatar
    It's not that it has any less space than any other 16GB phone so it really isn't fraud. It's that more space is now being used by the OS/system than what has historically been used on other phones, leaving less usable space for the user.

    You'd NEVER get 16GB usable space on any device that is advertised as 16GB. The OS has to take up some space.

    But yes, I agree that it's not the greatest situation to be left with under 10gigs.
    I got 64Gb of unpartioned storage when i had my one x+

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    05-26-2013 08:47 PM
  15. return_0's Avatar
    I disagree here, my old evo 3D still was able to move apps to sd when it got updated to ICS. The Gs3 couldn't do it even though it was running ICS before it got updated to Jb too.

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    This is not an opinion that you can "agree" or "disagree" with. It is a fact that moving apps to SD was removed from Android 4.0 itself. In your case, HTC probably readded the feature.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
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    05-26-2013 08:57 PM
  16. SenseMonkey's Avatar
    This is not an opinion that you can "agree" or "disagree" with. It is a fact that moving apps to SD was removed from Android 4.0 itself. In your case, HTC probably readded the feature.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    Not just my case, ALL htc evo 3d's could move apps to sd card lol. And you say htc probably readded the feature; so would it not be logic for Samsung to have done that with the Sgs3? Note 2? Sgs4?

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    05-26-2013 09:04 PM
  17. rushmore's Avatar
    Why make a thread like this, you should have researched it before buying,not being able to move apps to an SD card has been discussed thousands of times.
    Considering carriers like Verizon and Samsung are leading with the misleading about storage, the fault is IMO 100% with them. They are on a blatant and overt effort of collusion by scripting responses and statements that the 16gb IS fine using expansion.

    All probably because Samsung focused production on the 16 model, with a small allocation of 32gb models. Reason being to strive for the semantics game of selling into their channels, 10 million units for initial global launch. They are not selling out yet. At least not per my Verizon bud and Best Buy and the fact that stock is available.

    BTW, HTC added nothing as far as apps2sd for Jellybean. The feature was removed with glee by Android team. They absolutely despised the feature and it would not exist in he first place if Apples buyers did not secure most allocations of flash in the early iPhone days.
    05-26-2013 09:06 PM
  18. fantom305's Avatar
    To add an example to my last post, I have the Nexus 4 with 16gb (because I wanted to make sure I had as much available storage as possible) and earlier this month was somewhere and a rare op came up and captured it on vid... 38 minute video and the file was 1.8 gb... from a N4 with an 8mp camera. I wonder how big a 38 minute vid would be on a 13mp S4? that memory doesnt look like that much to me after a couple of vids like that.
    But the great thing about it is that those videos you are talking about it ...........you can save them in your SD Card ..........and not in your phone ...........
    05-26-2013 09:38 PM
  19. gabbott's Avatar
    To add an example to my last post, I have the Nexus 4 with 16gb (because I wanted to make sure I had as much available storage as possible) and earlier this month was somewhere and a rare op came up and captured it on vid... 38 minute video and the file was 1.8 gb... from a N4 with an 8mp camera. I wonder how big a 38 minute vid would be on a 13mp S4? that memory doesnt look like that much to me after a couple of vids like that.
    Just a nitpick, It doesn't matter if you are shooting 1080p from a 5MP camera, 8MP camera or a 13MP camera. 1080P is much lower resolution than a 5MP, 8MP or a 13MP camera uses at their respective native resolution. So barring any differences in compression the file sizes should be quite similar.

    The size difference between those different MP cameras is only for still images.
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    05-26-2013 09:45 PM
  20. donm527#IM's Avatar
    i know and that's cool but question... can you record directly to the sd card? that would be really helpful if so.

    and i understand the ability to move pics and vids to sd to keep the main memory free for apps... but i'm telling ya from experience as IT where our phone of choice is the iphone... 'the phone for old people cause its so simple'... we deploy to doctors, ceo, cfo, coo, directors and they are the worst users lol... many still cant figure things out and they wont care why when their phone doesnt work or why it ran out of memory after installing everything under the sun and shooting a gazillion pics and vids and they dont want to deal with how to move files into an sd card and figure out how to find it in there sd...

    anyways... taking practically half of the available storage and still in good conscious sell it as a 16gb unit is silly... but they know they can sell 10 million... and more... units and they'll get away with it cause many wont figure it out until they've sold 60 million. and to charge another $50 for an extra 16gb... smh. that being said, the s4 is still on my short list for next phone... but it certainly wont be the 16gb unit even if i do have the option for sd.



    But the great thing about it is that those videos you are talking about it ...........you can save them in your SD Card ..........and not in your phone ...........
    05-26-2013 10:00 PM
  21. donm527#IM's Avatar
    interesting info... will have to look into it. made me recheck my vid i shot and my N4 shot the video at 720p and again about 1.8gb for 38 minutes. if the s4 shoots in 1080p... still wonder what a 38 minute vid will be on the s4 in 1080p.

    Just a nitpick, It doesn't matter if you are shooting 1080p from a 5MP camera, 8MP camera or a 13MP camera. 1080P is much lower resolution than a 5MP, 8MP or a 13MP camera uses at their respective native resolution. So barring any differences in compression the file sizes should be quite similar.

    The size difference between those different MP cameras is only for still images.
    05-26-2013 10:04 PM
  22. return_0's Avatar
    interesting info... will have to look into it. made me recheck my vid i shot and my N4 shot the video at 720p and again about 1.8gb for 38 minutes. if the s4 shoots in 1080p... still wonder what a 38 minute vid will be on the s4 in 1080p.
    N4 can shoot in 1080p too.

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    05-26-2013 10:11 PM
  23. gabbott's Avatar
    interesting info... will have to look into it. made me recheck my vid i shot and my N4 shot the video at 720p and again about 1.8gb for 38 minutes. if the s4 shoots in 1080p... still wonder what a 38 minute vid will be on the s4 in 1080p.
    Now there will be a size difference between a 720p and a 1080p video.

    But the same video shot from the 2 phones at 720p (or both shot at 1080p) should be quite similar.
    05-26-2013 10:12 PM
  24. donm527#IM's Avatar
    very cool... just checked the phone and guess it defaults at 720. gonna have to test and see how different in 1080 in quality and size. Thanks!

    N4 can shoot in 1080p too.

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    05-26-2013 10:17 PM
  25. Jaycemiskel's Avatar
    i know and that's cool but question... can you record directly to the sd card? that would be really helpful if so.
    Yes you can, I did the other day for a program my son was in. 7 min was about 850mb.

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    05-26-2013 10:31 PM
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