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  1. planoman's Avatar
    My experience with a store unit at Best buy yesterday was identical. Maybe it is an app that is causing it and not touchwiz, I don't know. But it's there and real. For the most part it is very smooth (especially on the main screen UI), but I did see lag, and it was most obvious in maps.


    If you did I would agree with you. The lack of SD is a ridiculous oversight and motivated (IMO) entirely by nerd politics. It annoys the hell out of me that the phone has no SD. That does not make it a bad phone...it just makes it less perfect than it could be.

    The S4 has it's imperfections as well. The S4's main flaw is touchwiz.


    The release of a Vanilla Android S4 will make that option moot anyway; There is nothing a 32 gig Nexus 4 will do that a Vanilla Android S4 will not do better. The nexus line is going to become obsolete if this becomes a trend.
    Yes, if I did go with a google edition I would go with an HTC One model. I think stripping out touchwiz does not keep the phone an s4. Since I do not know anything about HTC or sense, I would not know any difference. And I would get 32GB and LTE which with vanilla android would be great! I think this could affect the nexus line for me since getting a device for 350 is not my number one critera.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
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    06-03-2013 10:36 AM
  2. JeffDenver's Avatar
    Yes, if I did go with a google edition I would go with an HTC One model. I think stripping out touchwiz does not keep the phone an s4. Since I do not know anything about HTC or sense, I would not know any difference.
    You would also lose SD expansion and the ability to upgrade the battery. The Vanilla One is a step in the right direction, but I still think HTC has made bad hardware decisions. Samsung has not.
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    06-03-2013 11:36 AM
  3. cgardnervt's Avatar
    I for one skipped out on the S4 this time around and I had gone with the HTC One. So far I love the HTC One. However I have a question...The girlfriend will be getting a new phone this coming month. Shes looking at the S4 because she liked my old S3. At what point do you see this lag? Just within the UI only or apps as well? Only Samsung apps or all apps including third party app? Just wondering. Now on the live floor models I do see a lot of lag but I can not tell because of the demo mode or its ifs just how it is. I hope Samsung fixes the problem.
    06-03-2013 11:37 AM
  4. cgardnervt's Avatar
    You would also lose SD expansion and the ability to upgrade the battery. The Vanilla One is a step in the right direction, but I still think HTC has made bad hardware decisions. Samsung has not.
    I beg to differ. After thinking this way last year I have completely changed my view on this. I can now see why Google no longer needs an SD card.

    1) You can only use it for pictures, music and videos. I'm sure it works with docs as well however I have not done that yet.
    FIX: Use cloud storage. I would have thought it would eat up my data but I was incorrect about that.

    2) Removable battery. Yes if the battery dies its all most impossible to have it replaced. But HTC has warranty information saying that they will replace any dead batteries during the warranty of the device.
    Now I understand its not a fix for everyone. But again the battery seems pretty solid so far.

    3) Front facing speakers are just a must have after you use them.

    Hardware wise what have they done that will make the S4 better for you? Minus the fact that you like Samsung better and yes you entitled to your opinion but I'd still like to know.
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    06-03-2013 12:23 PM
  5. tohio's Avatar
    I beg to differ. After thinking this way last year I have completely changed my view on this. I can now see why Google no longer needs an SD card.

    1) You can only use it for pictures, music and videos. I'm sure it works with docs as well however I have not done that yet.
    FIX: Use cloud storage. I would have thought it would eat up my data but I was incorrect about that.

    2) Removable battery. Yes if the battery dies its all most impossible to have it replaced. But HTC has warranty information saying that they will replace any dead batteries during the warranty of the device.
    Now I understand its not a fix for everyone. But again the battery seems pretty solid so far.

    3) Front facing speakers are just a must have after you use them.

    Hardware wise what have they done that will make the S4 better for you? Minus the fact that you like Samsung better and yes you entitled to your opinion but I'd still like to know.
    Ha Ha, Google may not need an SD card but I do. And so apparently do millions of S3 and S4 buyers. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but the sales of SD card equipped phones would tend to discount Google's expressed wants.
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    06-03-2013 12:35 PM
  6. cgardnervt's Avatar
    Ha Ha, Google may not need an SD card but I do. And so apparently do millions of S3 and S4 buyers. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but the sales of SD card equipped phones would tend to discount Google's expressed wants.
    Yes but I would side with you if you could store apps on said SD card. The One comes with a lot more app space then the S4/S3 does by default. Now you may gain some space by changing your ROM but as it stands in Stock its a problem. But if the S4 works for you then that is great! Just as it might work for my girlfriend but I'm not to sure. Again sorry for going off topic but I did want a voice an opinion on the matter. At the end of the day they are both good phones. And I hope the S4's lag issue is fix. (If its really there.)
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    06-03-2013 12:49 PM
  7. weblou's Avatar
    Honestly I don't see much lag at all (I have turned off all Animations from dev settings). Only time i will notice lag is when my apps are updating.
    For me this lag issue is way over blown. I had a chance to spend some quality time with a beautiful HTC one the other day and i found my phone to open apps faster then HTC. (camera, contacts, browser) Obviously this depends on how many contacts you have.. the settings on your cam etc. My Gf also got the S4.. she likes it.. battery life is AMAZING and the screen.. best i seen.

    I for one skipped out on the S4 this time around and I had gone with the HTC One. So far I love the HTC One. However I have a question...The girlfriend will be getting a new phone this coming month. Shes looking at the S4 because she liked my old S3. At what point do you see this lag? Just within the UI only or apps as well? Only Samsung apps or all apps including third party app? Just wondering. Now on the live floor models I do see a lot of lag but I can not tell because of the demo mode or its ifs just how it is. I hope Samsung fixes the problem.
    06-03-2013 12:53 PM
  8. JeffDenver's Avatar
    You can only use it for pictures, music and videos. I'm sure it works with docs as well however I have not done that yet. FIX: Use cloud storage. I would have thought it would eat up my data but I was incorrect about that.
    ...assuming you have unlimited data. Most people do not.
    ...assuming the cloud is always available...even on the best networks is it not.

    I am already experiencing this on my Nexus 4...The Cloud is far from reliable. I cannot get a signal inside my gym...so if I want to listen to music I need to listen to what is on my phone or nothing at all. The Cloud is better than nothing, but it is far from reliable IMO.

    2) Removable battery. Yes if the battery dies its all most impossible to have it replaced.
    It is not just replacability that is the issue...my nexus has an embedded battery and I could replace it myself if I needed to (it is not a quick and easy process, but it can be done). It is that you cannot upgrade it. And no matter how good the stock battery is, an extended battery will be better.

    I miss being able to use my phone for 2 days between charges without having to turn stuff down or off.
    But HTC has warranty information saying that they will replace any dead batteries during the warranty of the device.
    Now I understand its not a fix for everyone. But again the battery seems pretty solid so far.

    3) Front facing speakers are just a must have after you use them.
    Ok, that one I admit is cool.

    Hardware wise what have they done that will make the S4 better for you?
    SD and removable battery. All the things you like about the One would still be there without having to compromise those options. But HTC chose not to include them.

    Minus the fact that you like Samsung better
    I do not like either company's phones better in a general sense. My last phone was an HTC Rezound. I was an early adopter. Hardware-wise, I loved it. My only complaint was Sense. I have had extensive experience with phones from HTC, LG, samsung and Moto.
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    06-03-2013 01:22 PM
  9. planoman's Avatar
    You would also lose SD expansion and the ability to upgrade the battery. The Vanilla One is a step in the right direction, but I still think HTC has made bad hardware decisions. Samsung has not.
    Yes but with 32 GB HTC One, I could make it since I used the 16GB Nexus 4 for several months. I would keep my S4 as it really has everything I want and need in a device!
    I would always like to have a pure android for the quick updates etc.

    Sorry for the highjacked the thread! I am so done answering lag questions. It is almost like the taking points from somewhere. I am done with it.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
    06-03-2013 04:45 PM
  10. Almeuit's Avatar
    ...assuming you have unlimited data. Most people do not.
    ...assuming the cloud is always available...even on the best networks is it not.

    I am already experiencing this on my Nexus 4...The Cloud is far from reliable. I cannot get a signal inside my gym...so if I want to listen to music I need to listen to what is on my phone or nothing at all. The Cloud is better than nothing, but it is far from reliable IMO.


    It is not just replacability that is the issue...my nexus has an embedded battery and I could replace it myself if I needed to (it is not a quick and easy process, but it can be done). It is that you cannot upgrade it. And no matter how good the stock battery is, an extended battery will be better.

    I miss being able to use my phone for 2 days between charges without having to turn stuff down or off.
    But HTC has warranty information saying that they will replace any dead batteries during the warranty of the device.
    Now I understand its not a fix for everyone. But again the battery seems pretty solid so far.


    Ok, that one I admit is cool.


    SD and removable battery. All the things you like about the One would still be there without having to compromise those options. But HTC chose not to include them.


    I do not like either company's phones better in a general sense. My last phone was an HTC Rezound. I was an early adopter. Hardware-wise, I loved it. My only complaint was Sense. I have had extensive experience with phones from HTC, LG, samsung and Moto.
    Yes but with 32 GB HTC One, I could make it since I used the 16GB Nexus 4 for several months. I would keep my S4 as it really has everything I want and need in a device!
    I would always like to have a pure android for the quick updates etc.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
    Wait is this a S4 lag thread or a HTC One vs. S4 thread?

    /lost.

    Sent from my Sprint S3 using AC forums.
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    06-03-2013 04:49 PM
  11. planoman's Avatar
    Wait is this a S4 lag thread or a HTC One vs. S4 thread?

    /lost.

    Sent from my Sprint S3 using AC forums.
    Yes sorry. I was completing my post above this one where I mentioned the lag and how I am done discussing it...

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337
    06-03-2013 04:53 PM
  12. JeffDenver's Avatar
    Yes but with 32 GB HTC One, I could make it since I used the 16GB Nexus 4 for several months.
    My Droid 1 from 2009 had 48 gigs of storage. 32 gigs has not been sufficient for a long time IMO. Even Apple thinks so...that is why you can buy 64 gig iPhones now.
    06-04-2013 09:33 AM
  13. lou61166's Avatar
    My Droid 1 from 2009 had 48 gigs of storage. 32 gigs has not been sufficient for a long time IMO. Even Apple thinks so...that is why you can buy 64 gig iPhones now.
    Some users do not need to carry every last digital file they have on there phone,so most can justify only needing what is offered what would you do if Samsung or others scrap the SD card slot stop buying phones

    Sent From My HTC Droid DNA Using Taptalk
    06-04-2013 11:14 AM
  14. Topgonzo's Avatar
    There will never be enough available storage.. People aren't happy in life. They want the biggest, the best, a manufacturer could offer 128 tomorrow and in 6 months it's not enough. We live in a society that feels entitled to wasting resources and being disposable.

    Posted via HTC One
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    06-04-2013 11:18 AM
  15. JeffDenver's Avatar
    Some users do not need to carry every last digital file they have on there phone,so most can justify only needing what is offered what would you do if Samsung or others scrap the SD card slot stop buying phones
    If they are ok with the limitations, more power to em. Not everyone needs a car for the same reason.
    06-04-2013 11:58 AM
  16. JeffDenver's Avatar
    There will never be enough available storage.. People aren't happy in life. They want the biggest, the best, a manufacturer could offer 128 tomorrow and in 6 months it's not enough. We live in a society that feels entitled to wasting resources and being disposable.
    So why do you need a smartphone ate all? Your feature phone will make calls and let you check email too. All those feature phones collecting dust while wasteful people go out and buy smartphones.
    06-04-2013 11:59 AM
  17. cgardnervt's Avatar
    So why do you need a smartphone ate all? Your feature phone will make calls and let you check email too. All those feature phones collecting dust while wasteful people go out and buy smartphones.
    Because in most cases a smartphone as become a status symbol in most of the offices here in America. Much like a car is but a smartphone is much more affordable. Anyone to say otherwise would be lying to you.

    But it also is a good thing. It creates a healthy market of different devices for us. Point and case the whole S4 Vs HTC One argument.
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    06-04-2013 12:07 PM
  18. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    So, what are the tests to see if one's S4 has lag issues?
    06-11-2013 03:40 PM
  19. JeffDenver's Avatar
    So, what are the tests to see if one's S4 has lag issues?
    Start with Maps. Zoom in and out with pinch. See if it looks like this (3:40)
    06-11-2013 04:17 PM
  20. Andrawer's Avatar
    ....edited all my writing about lag simply because it kinda went away when I modified the app Green Power to not "Manage wifi". Go figure.
    06-11-2013 04:26 PM
  21. HNNNNNGHHH's Avatar
    Lag is nonexistent with CM10.1 on my S4. Of course, there are a few random hot reboots now and then but still, better than TouchWiz!
    06-11-2013 04:42 PM
  22. JeffDenver's Avatar
    Lag is nonexistent with CM10.1 on my S4.
    Gee, you get rid of touchwiz and suddenly the lag is gone. Imagine that. heh heh
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    06-11-2013 05:57 PM
  23. Andrawer's Avatar
    Lag is nonexistent with CM10.1 on my S4. Of course, there are a few random hot reboots now and then but still, better than TouchWiz!
    Hum, yep that sounds like a solution but I really didn't want to downgrade to CM.. Oh well...I'll live w/the lag for now.
    06-11-2013 06:06 PM
  24. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    Start with Maps. Zoom in and out with pinch. See if it looks like this (3:40)
    Okay,
    I tried Maps first before watching the video you posted and didn't think I had any lag.
    Then I watched the video and tried maps again. Yes, I get just a slight hesitation, but so slight I probably wouldn't of noticed.
    Even knowing it's there, I know it isn't enough for me to cry out like some have in these forums.
    Played around with typing some test emails, and didn't notice any lag at all.
    I do believe some might have a more intolerable lag, but so far I have nothing to be even the slightest concern.

    I would like some more suggestions of things to test so I can post my results also with those.

    Mine is the Verizon Galaxy S4 unboxed today.
    06-11-2013 07:21 PM
  25. JeffDenver's Avatar
    Okay,
    I tried Maps first before watching the video you posted and didn't think I had any lag.
    Then I watched the video and tried maps again. Yes, I get just a slight hesitation, but so slight I probably wouldn't of noticed.
    My thoughts exactly. It is the kind of thing I never would have noticed if I did not own a nexus phone. Having owned a Nexus, I can't ignore in anymore, heh heh.

    I got similar results playing with the store model.
    06-11-2013 07:31 PM
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