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  1. Suda's Avatar
    Doesn't look that difficult to me

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    Look around, people are having problems now with the SD. But yeah, it does look pretty straight forward.
    06-06-2013 03:39 PM
  2. orion575's Avatar
    HTC has already rapidly released one update in direct response to customer feedback and are including almost every customer feedback requested in their soon to be released 4.2 update. HTC also officially supports unlocking their bootloaders now in direct response to community feedback. I'm not seeing what you're implying.










    It seems it doesn't matter how many times these two moderators have pointed out that nobody is trashing it, they're simply being rational and reasonable about the pros and cons, you just want to be angry.
    LOL

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    06-06-2013 03:39 PM
  3. Rule9's Avatar
    I'd say so. For the highest clocked processor on the market there is no reason for it to perform like it is.

    One thing that's been overlooked by the SD talk is the new camera firmware in the update. I wonder if it'll make the camera perform on even ground with the One in lowlight. That could be huge.
    I'm actually quite surprised and a little dismayed that a UI fix and camera improvement would be overshadowed by people for apps to sd . I'd rate those as more significant improvements
    orion575 likes this.
    06-06-2013 03:40 PM
  4. weblou's Avatar
    Safer to attack you? LOL bro it's a forum only...who is Kevin? I jumped to the last page saw your post and replied...simple lol
    I pointed out the exact same thing that Kevin did but since he's a moderator and I'm not, mister braveheart up above feels safer to attack me instead. Not my fault mate, sorry.
    06-06-2013 03:40 PM
  5. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    I'm sure most major app developers will take advantage of this App2SD, so I don't think people should worry too much about it. I'm pretty sure most apps have it in their code already
    tohio likes this.
    06-06-2013 03:40 PM
  6. jdoee100's Avatar
    I never made it sound like anything, I was pointing out what others have written not what I had written.
    "Seriously? Is that all you can resort to is petty bickering over really stupid things? Don't be ridiculous."

    I think you should listen to your own advice.
    06-06-2013 03:41 PM
  7. Suda's Avatar
    Look, take that crap to PM or something. No one wants to read it.
    06-06-2013 03:42 PM
  8. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    This needs to stop.
    RisaChan likes this.
    06-06-2013 03:43 PM
  9. weblou's Avatar
    Got it Jennifer and Suda I'll move on this provides no value to anyone.

    Agreed with smooth4lyfe most dev's probably have some code already.. and if not it shouldn't be to hard to generate. If there's enough demand for it they will do. And with the sales of the S4 im sure their will be
    06-06-2013 03:49 PM
  10. rushmore's Avatar
    Folks Android zapped apps 2sd due to stability and tech support costs. Carriers wanted it gone and Android team already warned it was going when ICS came out.

    The function was removed from the framework and due to fragmentation, no uniform path definition for devs to write install scripts for it, unless they just do it for the S4, or set up like a file manager.

    Seems Samsung will need to modify similar to how the current root apps place data on the external cards, but does not seem to be the case.

    Not seeing how a feature that was having issues and pulled for a reason will have a good result on a device that will sell millions.

    Also find it interesting there are so many people interested, which suggests demand for more storage us higher than expected.

    Still, good they are trying and should be less than several months to see it.
    Aquila likes this.
    06-06-2013 03:50 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    This update seriously has at least 3 awesome highlights for S4 owners and prospective buyers. Between this and the evidence that HTC is listening to their customers, + the Google Editions (relatively useless because you can flash your own, but we still need to support it so that they keep thinking down these lines)... this really seems like the first year where they have their ears in the community, rather than in surveys/product reviews. Of course people want more options and smoother interfaces, etc. Nail on the head.

    Now, OEMs, lets talk about these freakin' buttons...
    MERCDROID likes this.
    06-06-2013 03:53 PM
  12. Paul627g's Avatar
    This is nice to see, but given the sdcard problems in the past and present I would utilize this update but I wouldn't bank on its stability.

    Google didn't get away from sdcard to be jerks or to "rewrite " the standard, it was done for many reasons one being stability/reliability issues.
    Kevin OQuinn, Aquila and MERCDROID like this.
    06-06-2013 03:55 PM
  13. Weaser999's Avatar
    I'm sure most major app developers will take advantage of this App2SD, so I don't think people should worry too much about it. I'm pretty sure most apps have it in their code already
    Yeah i'm glad The Bard's Tale can be installed on SD. I mean 2GB for one game. Not to mention how much cheaper a 64GB class 10 card would be compared to paying for an extra 16GB of memory. You can easily get 64GB MicroSDXC cards for under 60 bucks. Hell in probably a few months we'll be seeing 128MB MicroSD cards.
    06-06-2013 03:57 PM
  14. SenseMonkey's Avatar
    What device do you have that has 32GB+ of storage? if your talking about the ONE.. you have maybe 25GB of available storage out of the box (unless you have the 64GB version?)
    I been using an SD card on my phone for over a year and NEVER had an issue. Just like everything else you get what you pay for. 32GB SD card for $30.. is probably better then the one at $7.99 on ebay

    So you stick to your "32GB+" phone and i'll stick to my 48GB+ phone
    Htc one x+, 64Gb of unpartioned storage. :thumbup:

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
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    06-06-2013 03:57 PM
  15. jdoee100's Avatar
    This is nice to see, but given the sdcard problems in the past and present I would utilize this update but I wouldn't bank on its stability.

    Google didn't get away from sdcard to be jerks or to "rewrite " the standard, it was done for many reasons one being stability/reliability issues.
    Didn't google get away from sd card because they wanted people to use cloud storage system instead?
    06-06-2013 04:02 PM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    Didn't google get away from sd card because they wanted people to use cloud storage system instead?
    No, but that's probably part of the reason that they're not heavily pushing 64GB devices. There are a bunch of issues, including security, stability, data integrity, transfer speeds and IP issues with Microsoft.
    06-06-2013 04:05 PM
  17. jdoee100's Avatar
    Did google ever give an official reason for getting away from sd cards? curious..
    06-06-2013 04:09 PM
  18. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Did google ever give an official reason for getting away from sd cards? curious..

    Yes.

    Why Nexus devices have no SD card | Android Central

    Keep in mind that article was written when 4.2.2 didn't exist. Things moved further away from SD cards when it was released.

    EDIT again: I'm sure there's more on this, but that's what came up on Google as the top result for me.
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    06-06-2013 04:25 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    Yes.

    Why Nexus devices have no SD card | Android Central

    Keep in mind that article was written when 4.2.2 didn't exist. Things moved further away from SD cards when it was released.

    EDIT again: I'm sure there's more on this, but that's what came up on Google as the top result for me.
    Wait a tic, those reasons are identical to those that I summarized! Jerry and I seem to have common sources.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Kevin OQuinn likes this.
    06-06-2013 04:31 PM
  20. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    To add to that a bit further, those of you that follow Koush and actually read his posts will know that he had to buy a Nexus 10 specifically to get CWM to work with the multi-user functionality built-in to 4.2.2. Imagine the headache of having so many different possible targets for storage if you had to compensate for multiple users (while maintaining security) AND multiple SD card paths that apps can point to.
    06-06-2013 04:32 PM
  21. garublador's Avatar
    Plus the uSD card slot is probably a pain in the **** for the hardware designers, too. The mechanical guys have to find a way for you to access it and the PCB guys have to find room to put it.
    06-06-2013 04:34 PM
  22. jdoee100's Avatar
    I don't get it..

    "We got tired of seeing OEMs include many GB of internal storage for music, while users were still running out of space for apps and data. This approach lets us merge everything on one volume, which is way better.

    -- Dan Morrill, Android engineer at Google"

    Basically, they are saying that since users were running out of space for apps and data, they decided to put every thing in one big block of storage that users can use for anything they like. How does that solve limited storage issue?? doesn't make sense to me.

    I mean, i understand there are all kinds of side benefits, but I don't understand what Dan Morrill is trying to say??
    06-06-2013 04:39 PM
  23. JHBThree's Avatar
    I don't get it..

    "We got tired of seeing OEMs include many GB of internal storage for music, while users were still running out of space for apps and data. This approach lets us merge everything on one volume, which is way better.

    -- Dan Morrill, Android engineer at Google"

    Basically, they are saying that since users were running out of space for apps and data, they decided to put every thing in one big block of storage that users can use for anything they like. How does that solve limited storage issue?? doesn't make sense to me.
    If manufacturers would include adequate storage in their devices, and limited the bloat, they would have enough storage.

    Also, I'm not sure you quite understood what he meant. He was saying that manufacturers were partitioning their devices and arbitrarily dictating how much space you had. By removing all support for external SD cards and reformatting how storage was allocated, they were able to give users access to ALL of the on device storage for their content.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    06-06-2013 04:44 PM
  24. jdoee100's Avatar
    I think i get it now. but WHAT? Weird explanation for getting rid of sd card....to me anyways.
    06-06-2013 04:51 PM
  25. Farish's Avatar
    What Google should have stated is Microsoft charges an arm and a leg for their patents.

    If you are a small developer and you want to make an exchange client, Microsoft wants a 5 figure deposit for royalties upfront.
    06-06-2013 04:53 PM
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