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  1. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    I think i get it now. but WHAT? Weird explanation for getting rid of sd card....to me anyways.
    That explanation is also a year old. It's gotten more complicated since then.

    Anyway, that wasn't the point of this thread. Sorry for contributing to the off-topicness of this last page.


    I applaud Samsung for listening to users, but I can't ignore the fact that Google chose to get rid of SD card support for some very good reasons.
    06-06-2013 04:55 PM
  2. JHBThree's Avatar
    That explanation is also a year old. It's gotten more complicated since then.

    Anyway, that wasn't the point of this thread. Sorry for contributing to the off-topicness of this last page.


    I applaud Samsung for listening to users, but I can't ignore the fact that Google chose to get rid of SD card support for some very good reasons.
    Why do I feel like its going to be janky, like their SD card support already is?

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    06-06-2013 05:01 PM
  3. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    "We got tired of seeing OEMs include many GB of internal storage for music, while users were still running out of space for apps and data. This approach lets us merge everything on one volume, which is way better."

    -- Dan Morrill, Android engineer at Google
    What??? Isn't this why they SHOULD include a memory card???
    If they are tired of seeing OEMs include a lot of space while people are still running out, a SD Card would help that by allowing people to put their music on an external storage while using the internal storage for apps. One big block of storage is WORST than 2 separate storages. If that one storage goes bad, you're pretty much fcuked

    The only problem is the bloatware which Carriers and OEMs seem to be using to fill the rest of the internal space
    06-06-2013 05:03 PM
  4. planoman's Avatar
    Now what is this thread about???...

    Sorry could not resist...
    Attached Thumbnails Samsung Update!! Moving apps to SD card now possible!!-screenshot_2013-05-13-19-28-05.jpg  
    06-06-2013 05:05 PM
  5. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    What??? Isn't this why they SHOULD include a memory card???
    If they are tired of seeing OEMs include a lot of space while people are still running out, a SD Card would help that by allowing people to put their music on an external storage while using the internal storage for apps. One big block of storage is WORST than 2 separate storages. If that one storage goes bad, you're pretty much fcuked

    The only problem is the bloatware which Carriers and OEMs seem to be using to fill the rest of the internal space
    No. :P It's why flagship phones should have 32gb of internal storage in one partition minimum. At least that's my opinion of how it should be done. Anything after that is gravy.
    06-06-2013 05:09 PM
  6. planoman's Avatar
    What??? Isn't this why they SHOULD include a memory card???
    If they are tired of seeing OEMs include a lot of space while people are still running out, a SD Card would help that by allowing people to put their music on an external storage while using the internal storage for apps. One big block of storage is WORST than 2 separate storages. If that one storage goes bad, you're pretty much fcuked

    The only problem is the bloatware which Carriers and OEMs seem to be using to fill the rest of the internal space
    Even back when you could do APP to SD the internal memory was partitioned to include space for apps and then for storage. I can remember devices having 2 GB and 4GB for apps and no one said a peep... I think it is much better the way android is now with all the the internal memory going for the OS and apps. I still say 9GB is a crazy amount of space for apps.
    06-06-2013 05:09 PM
  7. jdoee100's Avatar
    What??? Isn't this why they SHOULD include a memory card???
    If they are tired of seeing OEMs include a lot of space while people are still running out, a SD Card would help that by allowing people to put their music on an external storage while using the internal storage for apps. One big block of storage is WORST than 2 separate storages. If that one storage goes bad, you're pretty much fcuked

    The only problem is the bloatware which Carriers and OEMs seem to be using to fill the rest of the internal space
    Agreed.... and i wonder what google thinks about samsung finally letting users moving apps to SD card possible? do they care?

    Google might be peeved at them for allowing this.
    06-06-2013 05:11 PM
  8. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Even back when you could do APP to SD the internal memory was partitioned to include space for apps and then for storage. I can remember devices having 2 GB and 4GB for apps and no one said a peep... I think it is much better the way android is now with all the the internal memory going for the OS and apps. I still say 9GB is a crazy amount of space for apps.
    I remember that too. I didn't play games all that much back then, but now with games like Real Racing 3 more storage is required. Times, they are changing.
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    06-06-2013 05:11 PM
  9. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Agreed.... and i wonder what google thinks about samsung finally letting users moving apps to SD card possible? do they care?

    Google might be peeved at them for allowing this.
    Even if they are they can't do anything about it. And if they COULD do something about it, I'm not sure they would given the market share that Samsung commands.
    06-06-2013 05:12 PM
  10. Farish's Avatar
    Even back when you could do APP to SD the internal memory was partitioned to include space for apps and then for storage. I can remember devices having 2 GB and 4GB for apps and no one said a peep... I think it is much better the way android is now with all the the internal memory going for the OS and apps. I still say 9GB is a crazy amount of space for apps.
    To be fair about your statement, Apps have grown in size. Especially high resolution games.
    06-06-2013 05:12 PM
  11. jdoee100's Avatar
    Another interesting tibit, will S4 nexus support sd card?
    06-06-2013 05:18 PM
  12. JHBThree's Avatar
    What??? Isn't this why they SHOULD include a memory card???
    If they are tired of seeing OEMs include a lot of space while people are still running out, a SD Card would help that by allowing people to put their music on an external storage while using the internal storage for apps. One big block of storage is WORST than 2 separate storages. If that one storage goes bad, you're pretty much fcuked

    The only problem is the bloatware which Carriers and OEMs seem to be using to fill the rest of the internal space
    No it isn't 'worst'. One block alleviates all sorts of issues. There is a reason why Google abandoned it.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
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    06-06-2013 05:18 PM
  13. planoman's Avatar
    To be fair about your statement, Apps have grown in size. Especially high resolution games.
    True. As many have said, I think 32GB should be the minimum sizes right now and of course they will increase going forward. Maybe Samsung is hearing it since they are trying to help the 16GB models with this update. If they would start at 32GB, it would solve many issues. I would rather have all my apps on internal storage as opposed to APP to SD. Internal storage is so much faster and reliable in my opinion.
    06-06-2013 05:19 PM
  14. JHBThree's Avatar
    I'd say so. For the highest clocked processor on the market there is no reason for it to perform like it is.

    One thing that's been overlooked by the SD talk is the new camera firmware in the update. I wonder if it'll make the camera perform on even ground with the One in lowlight. That could be huge.
    No software update can make the S4 perform on even ground with the One in lowlight, because software can't fix hardware deficiencies. The lack of OIS will always be a limiting factor of the S4's camera, as will the much smaller pixels.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    06-06-2013 05:20 PM
  15. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    No. :P It's why flagship phones should have 32gb of internal storage in one partition minimum. At least that's my opinion of how it should be done. Anything after that is gravy.
    I don't think i could ever go back to using a phone without an SD Card. I used to have a Nexus and coming from a Galaxy S2 at the time, it was so annoying having to sacrifice space for all my music for some apps. It was also much easier to transfer music from an SD card from one phone to the next. I wouldn't have to re-sync 100's of songs again when switching devices. If Samsung ever took away MicroSD Cards, I'd be sending 100 letters of hate anonymously to them

    Even back when you could do APP to SD the internal memory was partitioned to include space for apps and then for storage. I can remember devices having 2 GB and 4GB for apps and no one said a peep... I think it is much better the way android is now with all the the internal memory going for the OS and apps. I still say 9GB is a crazy amount of space for apps.
    Yeah I remember that to, but 9GB really isnt a lot considering the fact the apps nowadays are becoming like FULL PC programs, and good apps will be reaching 1GB if not 2GB. Majority of the smaller apps are much smaller sizes, but I still would prefer not using the space I use for my music for use of apps


    With all that being said, I think Samsung is making a big step in giving it's users choices, rather than limiting options. From features, and now options to move apps to SD Cards, it will satisfy the majority of people. I'd rather have the option to use it at my choice than not have it at all and complain when I am running out of space
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    06-06-2013 05:21 PM
  16. planoman's Avatar
    No software update can make the S4 perform on even ground with the One in lowlight, because software can't fix hardware deficiencies. The lack of OIS will always be a limiting factor of the S4's camera, as will the much smaller pixels.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    My solution to lowlight pictures is to turn the lights on! LOL! Agreed the megapixels let more light in and I doubt that can be fixed with software but it can be improved upon. I have been impressed with the S4 camera pictures and video.
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    06-06-2013 05:24 PM
  17. Aquila's Avatar
    Another interesting tibit, will S4 nexus support sd card?
    Error in computing contradictory query.
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    06-06-2013 05:27 PM
  18. JHBThree's Avatar
    My solution to lowlight pictures is to turn the lights on! LOL! Agreed the megapixels let more light in and I doubt that can be fixed with software but it can be improved upon.
    Oh definitely. They can improve it, but it would never be on even footing just because of the technological limitations.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    06-06-2013 05:29 PM
  19. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Error in computing contradictory query.
    You win for today. LOL
    06-06-2013 05:31 PM
  20. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    My solution to lowlight pictures is to turn the lights on! LOL! Agreed the megapixels let more light in and I doubt that can be fixed with software but it can be improved upon. I have been impressed with the S4 camera pictures and video.
    Yeah exactly, and Low Light on this phone is not THAT bad especially with the Night Mode...it definitely makes a difference
    06-06-2013 05:32 PM
  21. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    Another interesting tibit, will S4 nexus support sd card?
    I think it does
    06-06-2013 05:33 PM
  22. jdoee100's Avatar
    True. As many have said, I think 32GB should be the minimum sizes right now and of course they will increase going forward. Maybe Samsung is hearing it since they are trying to help the 16GB models with this update. If they would start at 32GB, it would solve many issues. I would rather have all my apps on internal storage as opposed to APP to SD. Internal storage is so much faster and reliable in my opinion.
    "I think 32GB should be the minimum sizes right now," as soon as you said that it became invalid. i think storage space is like money, one can't never have too many..
    06-06-2013 05:36 PM
  23. Paul627g's Avatar
    Didn't google get away from sd card because they wanted people to use cloud storage system instead?
    That is only a small portion of the idea behind it. Sure Google would love to see everything on cloud storage but it's not a perfect solution either. Lots of different variables come into play on the sdcard issue. Filesystem types being a big part.

    The post and link included in the post describes it best.

    http://forums.androidcentral.com/sho....php?p=2841582
    06-06-2013 05:37 PM
  24. planoman's Avatar
    Anyone else find it ironic that the Nexus 4 had sold millions with 16GB (12.5GB) and no SD card...just a different end user I guess. I can remember posting to threads in that forum with owners of the 8 GB model defending that as plenty of space...of course the prices helped I am sure.

    I sure hope the Nexus 5 has 32GB!
    06-06-2013 05:41 PM
  25. JHBThree's Avatar
    "I think 32GB should be the minimum sizes right now," as soon as you said that it became invalid. i think storage space is like money, one can't never have too many..
    How much are you willing to pay for your phone then?

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    06-06-2013 05:42 PM
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