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  1. jdoee100's Avatar
    I think it does
    really? that would be a surprise, since pure android doesn't support sd card. right?
    06-06-2013 05:44 PM
  2. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    Anyone else find it ironic that the Nexus 4 had sold millions with 16GB (12.5GB) and no SD card...just a different end user I guess. I can remember posting to threads in that forum with owners of the 8 GB model defending that as plenty of space...

    I sure hope the Nexus 5 has 32GB!
    I think it sells more for the Google Experience (Fast Updates, Google Features) than the lack of SD Card
    06-06-2013 05:45 PM
  3. jdoee100's Avatar
    How much are you willing to pay for your phone then?

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    Me? not much. i have other priorities, but i'll take as much as i can get(storage that is).
    06-06-2013 05:52 PM
  4. Hest88's Avatar
    I really hope this comes to the U.S. version. I had two prior Android phones and never had a problem with my SD card.Google's arguments for removing App2SD were always specious in my mind. Anyone consumer who might not understand the ramifications of moving apps to their card probably won't bother seeking out a large SD card anyway. The rest of us appreciate having choices.
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    06-06-2013 06:03 PM
  5. sean8102's Avatar
    I'm bummed that I was past my exchange time right when the 32GB came out for just 50 bucks more. I know this is different for everyone, but honestly for me app storage hasn't been a problem because I decided not to install any big 3D games onto my phone other than Real Racing (use the N7 for games). It seems like other than games apps are pretty small, and I use the SD card for media. I always look forward to OTA updates though for optimizations, and any bug fixes!

    Plus I maybe wrong, but I think this feature wont help much for games anyways since it moves the app, and not the data the game downloaded which is what takes a gigabyte or more correct?
    06-06-2013 06:06 PM
  6. Ry's Avatar
    This is really going to upset those who argue that an SD card is useless. It's good to see that Samsung is actively addressing the needs of their customers.
    Doesn't upset me at all.

    Because Android is open and allows for this level of customization.

    Posted via Android Central App
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    06-06-2013 06:16 PM
  7. JHBThree's Avatar
    Me? not much. i have other priorities, but i'll take as much as i can get(storage that is).
    If you're not willing to pay much then don't complain about the amount of onboard storage you get. Higher amounts of storage cost more.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
    06-06-2013 08:05 PM
  8. JHBThree's Avatar
    I really hope this comes to the U.S. version. I had two prior Android phones and never had a problem with my SD card.Google's arguments for removing App2SD were always specious in my mind. Anyone consumer who might not understand the ramifications of moving apps to their card probably won't bother seeking out a large SD card anyway. The rest of us appreciate having choices.
    Their reasons weren't specious at all.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 2
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    06-06-2013 08:06 PM
  9. SenseMonkey's Avatar
    No. :P It's why flagship phones should have 32gb of internal storage in one partition minimum. At least that's my opinion of how it should be done. Anything after that is gravy.
    I agree, 2 partions that add up to 32Gb is a no go.. :thumbdown:

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    06-06-2013 08:17 PM
  10. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    I agree, 2 partions that add up to 32Gb is a no go.. :thumbdown:

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    Well its not like you HAVE to use the SD Card option, but I don't see why they would completely remove it
    I personally don't agree with Google's reasoning, and I don't think I can be convinced otherwise lol
    06-06-2013 08:33 PM
  11. Aquila's Avatar
    and I don't think I can be convinced otherwise
    Honesty is good, but that's a dangerous position to be in ...
    06-06-2013 08:38 PM
  12. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    Honesty is good, but that's a dangerous position to be in ...
    I was born ready for war lol
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    06-06-2013 08:42 PM
  13. rushmore's Avatar
    Though this makes no sense, a person has apparently already tested the new firmware and apparently you can only move the app core and NOT the data. This would mean the smallest fraction of the app can be moved to sd and the biggest part of the app stays internal. This would be pure stupid and mean that it would only help people that mainly use small apps with little to no data files. Those people would not have trouble with 9GB in the first place.

    Epic fail is a burned out term, but if this is correct, this is an epic fail for the app storage issue and back to square one- root if you want to truly displace apps from internal. Again, this makes no practical sense, so hopefully the poster got it wrong. The only other reason could be the framework changes made to Android made this Samsung's only option (doubtful, since the app core would be the protected part). Point would still be it is near pointless.
    06-06-2013 09:27 PM
  14. tohio's Avatar
    Though this makes no sense, a person has apparently already tested the new firmware and apparently you can only move the app core and NOT the data. This would mean the smallest fraction of the app can be moved to sd and the biggest part of the app stays internal. This would be pure stupid and mean that it would only help people that mainly use small apps with little to no data files. Those people would not have trouble with 9GB in the first place.

    Epic fail is a burned out term, but if this is correct, this is an epic fail for the app storage issue and back to square one- root if you want to truly displace apps from internal. Again, this makes no practical sense, so hopefully the poster got it wrong. The only other reason could be the framework changes made to Android made this Samsung's only option (doubtful, since the app core would be the protected part). Point would still be it is near pointless.
    Could you supply the source of this information?
    06-06-2013 09:43 PM
  15. rushmore's Avatar
    Bless the OP, since actually said "Good job, Samsung" with not an apparent hint of sarcasm.

    http://androidforums.com/5884350-post13.html
    06-06-2013 10:00 PM
  16. SenseMonkey's Avatar
    Well its not like you HAVE to use the SD Card option, but I don't see why they would completely remove it
    I personally don't agree with Google's reasoning, and I don't think I can be convinced otherwise lol
    Dont get me wrong i love using one but i meant internal memory; There's been a few phones that say they are 16Gb but actually have 2 separate partions of memory that add up to the 16gb. For example the htc evo lte. Has an app storage then it has a phone storage and THEN if you want to add an Sd card(which i did) you have a 3RD storage.. Makes things so complicated.. :sly: I liked it better on my old htc one x+ when there was only 1 storage portion.

    Courtesy of My LT3VO
    06-06-2013 10:36 PM
  17. tohio's Avatar
    Bless the OP, since actually said "Good job, Samsung" with not an apparent hint of sarcasm.

    http://androidforums.com/5884350-post13.html
    Here's the actual post:

    "Well tested the firmware a little and it does allow you to move the app only, for large data files mainly from game downloads you still need to use something like foldermount.
    But this will save some space for sure and now rooted users can move the app and data which is nice. Good job Samsung."

    Hardly an epic fail.
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    06-06-2013 10:40 PM
  18. JHBThree's Avatar
    Here's the actual post:

    "Well tested the firmware a little and it does allow you to move the app only, for large data files mainly from game downloads you still need to use something like foldermount.
    But this will save some space for sure and now rooted users can move the app and data which is nice. Good job Samsung."

    Hardly an epic fail.
    If that post is accurate, its worse than an epic fail. It is going to confuse the average user, and won't provide the relief that power users actually need. It also doesn't address any of the reasons why apps to SD functionality was removed in the first place, like stability issues. (Because the core of the app is the part thats moved onto the sd, stability will be a problem)
    06-06-2013 10:46 PM
  19. phantomog's Avatar
    The reason I chose an Android device over an IOS device is because I wanted greater flexibility, even at the expense of simplicity or stability. It seems really odd to me that so many members of an Android forum would be even slightly pooh-poohing such an announcement.

    For practically every little complaint or issue that comes across this forum, at least a few people will suggest and raise all the merits of rooting your device and flashing ROMs. And yet here we have a company that is offering up an option that adds greater flexibility to the end user (even if it is at the expense of stability)... how is there any negative to this at all? If you don't like it, don't use it. Isn't that the beauty of android??

    There are lots of things you can do to your android device to totally screw it up and cause issues. Do we want Google to wall off the garden like IOS and "protect" us all by removing those options? I personally don't. There is a huge grey area for the line to be drawn between flexibility and stability. I applaud any step in the direction of flexibility. Makes me think of a quote from Ben Franklin about liberty and safety...
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    06-06-2013 11:17 PM
  20. Johnly's Avatar
    Slung I tell ya that super slot is. Oh the masse potential.

    Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2
    06-06-2013 11:17 PM
  21. Johnly's Avatar
    The reason I chose an Android device over an IOS device is because I wanted greater flexibility, even at the expense of simplicity or stability. It seems really odd to me that so many members of an Android forum would be even slightly pooh-poohing such an announcement.

    For practically every little complaint or issue that comes across this forum, at least a few people will suggest and raise all the merits of rooting your device and flashing ROMs. And yet here we have a company that is offering up an option that adds greater flexibility to the end user (even if it is at the expense of stability)... how is there any negative to this at all? If you don't like it, don't use it. Isn't that the beauty of android??

    There are lots of things you can do to your android device to totally screw it up and cause issues. Do we want Google to wall off the garden like IOS and "protect" us all by removing those options? I personally don't. There is a huge grey area for the line to be drawn between flexibility and stability. I applaud any step in the direction of flexibility. Makes me think of a quote from Ben Franklin about liberty and safety...
    It is nice to read insightful posts amongst the clutter and debauchery. Who in their right mind gripes about options? Seriously?

    Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2
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    06-06-2013 11:25 PM
  22. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    This is really going to upset those who argue that an SD card is useless. It's good to see that Samsung is actively addressing the needs of their customers.
    Games with 10mb app and 1.5gb data... The data can't be moved without hacking your phone.

    Widgets don't work if you use App2SD.

    This doesn't really solve the issue.

    Google Music, Spotify, Currents (builds up a huge cache) etc all don't benefit and some apps can't be moved period.

    Does Samsung still separate the app and data partitions on the latest handset?

    They need to unbundle their bloatware and put it on the market for only their supported phone models. That will solve much of the issue.

    Also there are performance and volatility concerns with SD cards.

    A 16 GB phone without that much bloat still leaves like 12-13 GB ( /sdcard can be less depending on how the phone is partitioned - I.e. separate partition for apps like in the S2) free which is a big difference.

    A 32 GB device with unified storage is totally usable with no need for an SD card, as long as the OEM has a decent sync app like HTC or Sony. The number of people who need more than 32 GB is almost ignorable and won't really affect sales.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using Tapatalk 2
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    06-06-2013 11:30 PM
  23. Josie Salazar's Avatar
    Um whats the step by step instructions to moving apps to sd cant find them on this site or thread
    06-06-2013 11:58 PM
  24. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    Even absent the "Move 2 SD" feature, this is why I'd rather get a 16GB with available SD Card memory than a 32GB with no memory
    I currently have a 32GB SD Card, and right now I have used about 17GB already (filled with music and pictures)

    If I had a 16GB phone (Non GS4), and with bloatware it would be about 12GB...right now I have about 4GB worth of apps
    If I had a 32GB phone, the storage would probably be about 26GB including bloatware

    32GB Phone
    26GB - 17GB on my SD Card = 9GB left - 4GB of apps = 5GB left

    16GB with SD Card Option
    12GB - 4GB of apps = 8GB left
    17GB of music and pictures with additional space still on my SD Card, but not affecting my phone storage

    GS4 16GB with SD Card option
    9.2GB - 4GB of apps = 5.2GB left
    17GB of music and pics stored separately on my SD Card

    The only thing I would probably be sacrificing is performance, but I hardly notice and slowdown from my SD Card if any...thats how I see it
    06-07-2013 12:27 AM
  25. rushmore's Avatar
    Please explain your perspective why this is not a fail of a solution? The issue is the large data file size of games. For smaller apps that have no data file or small ones, the apps are smaller anyway. The issue was the apps with big data files like social cloud apps, GTA games, EA, Gameloft, etc. This solution does little. On average, 10% to 20% weighted average verses 80% to 90% space savings. It is purely a fail. In fact, it is so silly, applying the word "epic" to it gives it too much cred. It is simply a fail, though due framework changes might have been their only option. Net result is still a fail, since the only people that will get a real space saving are people that root.

    This of course assumes the OP is correct.

    Smooth,

    Your logic is very sound! I agree that if I had two choices, a 32 with no expansion or the 16 S4, the S4 would win. Now, if there were a 64GB internal only option, that would be a more tough decision.
    smooth4lyfe likes this.
    06-07-2013 05:51 AM
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