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  1. Farish's Avatar
    Something to add here. I did not buy my S4 directly from ATT I went through Target Mobile. I had asked their district manager, why is it that they don't carry any of the 32gb version of these phones in stock.

    She said there is no demand for it. That I will probably be the only person who has asked in her district this year(Several Target Mobile stores). Those of us who want more storage space really are in the minority. If I didn't have such a good relationship with this company I probably would have gone somewhere else.



    I am hoping that soon, maybe next year, Samsung makes the 32gb the baseline. I know the difference in storage cost is insignificant, but this was an eye opener.
    06-07-2013 04:02 PM
  2. tohio's Avatar
    Something to add here. I did not buy my S4 directly from ATT I went through Target Mobile. I had asked their district manager, why is it that they don't carry any of the 32gb version of these phones in stock.

    She said there is no demand for it. That I will probably be the only person who has asked in her district this year(Several Target Mobile stores). Those of us who want more storage space really are in the minority. If I didn't have such a good relationship with this company I probably would have gone somewhere else.



    I am hoping that soon, maybe next year, Samsung makes the 32gb the baseline. I know the difference in storage cost is insignificant, but this was an eye opener.
    My guess is that people who buy their phones from retail outlets rather than carriers aren't that savvy when it comes to technical details. I am not including you FarishK I know from you posts that you are very knowledgeable about the technical details of smartphones. But if you read the posts here you will see posters talking about contacting ATT or Sprint about when the 32 GB phone will be available. I don't see anyone (no I don't read every post but I read the majority of them about the S4) contacting Walmart or Radio Shack to ask about the 32 GB phones.

    My point is, I wouldn't be surprised that a retail store rep said their wasn't a demand for 32 GB phones. In his or her business there probably isn't. But I'd bet that ATT was getting inundated with queries about the 32 GB before it was released.
    06-07-2013 04:24 PM
  3. Russ Smith's Avatar
    All of a sudden now right. What about 1, 2+ years ago?!?! Too little to late, for me personally. Samsung has been giving 'ME' what I expect from my device from years now. Thats why I stick with them. The day they don't provide me with what I expect is the day I start looking for another manufacturer.
    This is why apple sell so many still - misplaced brand loyalty! Just get whatever manufacturer makes the best device at the time of upgrade, whoever makes it! They honestly don't give a **** about us as individuals....

    Sent from my HTC One
    06-07-2013 06:48 PM
  4. abazigal's Avatar
    This is why apple sell so many still - misplaced brand loyalty! Just get whatever manufacturer makes the best device at the time of upgrade, whoever makes it! They honestly don't give a **** about us as individuals....

    Sent from my HTC One
    Except that 'best' is a very subjective term that will vary from person to person. Ultimately, different people look for different things in a phone, and the phone with the most features doesn't necessarily mean it is the best phone. For example, I personally don't care for sd-cards, nfc or wireless charging, widgets or live wallpaper simply because I don't see the point in them, so I am not really bothered that the S3/S4 gets them while my 4s didn't.

    I don't think it is about misplaced brand loyalty. Like you said, it's really about choosing a device which best suits the individual's specific needs, and I believe the iphone continues to meet the needs of many a consumer just fine.
    06-07-2013 08:34 PM
  5. rushmore's Avatar
    My guess is that people who buy their phones from retail outlets rather than carriers aren't that savvy when it comes to technical details. I am not including you FarishK I know from you posts that you are very knowledgeable about the technical details of smartphones. But if you read the posts here you will see posters talking about contacting ATT or Sprint about when the 32 GB phone will be available. I don't see anyone (no I don't read every post but I read the majority of them about the S4) contacting Walmart or Radio Shack to ask about the 32 GB phones.

    My point is, I wouldn't be surprised that a retail store rep said their wasn't a demand for 32 GB phones. In his or her business there probably isn't. But I'd bet that ATT was getting inundated with queries about the 32 GB before it was released.
    Correct, but unlike other carriers, At&t had already apparently secured the only allocation of 32gb Qualcomm versions on the planet. Based on sales results, we see what Samsung's channel flooding has yielded them. Not what they expected. Sure, 32gb would have only helped sales by ten percent or so, but they loaded way too many devices too soon due to their focus on keeping it simple with 16gb models.

    Still, that extra ten percent of sell through of 32gb models would have made their numbers look better.
    06-07-2013 10:22 PM
  6. Omer San Gabriel's Avatar
    When i check my software update it says "Up to date" </3
    06-08-2013 01:55 AM
  7. monsieurms's Avatar
    I wish we could see sales data to back any of these speculative numbers up. We can use Apple as an example, though, and your number is WAY high. The 32gb S3 sold so little that they never released the 64gb. The demand just wasn't there. This is why, when people say they want something, they need to speak with their wallet and get it. That's the only way to really make manufacturers listen. That also applies to Developer Editions and the Google Editions that are on their way.
    You know the old joke---There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.

    I think people do want space. Can I prove it? No. BUT.... Why haven't larger sized units sold well? The stats imply that people don't want them. That's wrong, I think. What the stats mean is (a) there was an SD card slot that most (until now) have found adequate to meet their extra uses; and (b) price. Regarding the former, I personally didn't even realize changes had been made in terms of app usage on the card until I got the new phone. I think 16gb works fairly well, all things considered, but if I had known that I would've cross-examined T-Mobile a little more aggressively on their plans to make sure nothing bigger was coming any time soon and been a bit more concerned about it. As to the latter point, on this forum, it sometimes seems like people ignore that these are $629 items that quickly go out of date considering how fast technology keeps changing. In the real world, most people don't want to upgrade such pricey things every 12 months. While the price increment for 16 to 32 may seem small in the grand scheme of things, it is also an area where it may simply be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

    I think there will come a time when 32gb is standard. And I still want the SD card expansion capability. If there is power, software makers will find ways to use it. If there is space, they will find ways to use that, too.

    Similarly, people are talking about slow S4 sales. I interpret that this way: the s3 was already here. IT was a real nice phone. It was really expensive. Lots of people just aren't ready to toss it and upgrade for incremental improvements. Their next phone is probably the S5.

    This is why apple sell so many still - misplaced brand loyalty! Just get whatever manufacturer makes the best device at the time of upgrade, whoever makes it! They honestly don't give a **** about us as individuals....
    Probably true. I don't care about them in any personal sense either. It is a commercial transaction. Nothing more, nothing less.

    When you have to satisfy millions of people, here's a certainty: you will be forced to make some choices that makes someone unhappy. No person or company can be all things to all people. Samsung tries harder than most to promote choices and give options, I think.
    06-08-2013 07:25 AM
  8. jokout1's Avatar
    I wish we could see sales data to back any of these speculative numbers up. We can use Apple as an example, though, and your number is WAY high. The 32gb S3 sold so little that they never released the 64gb. The demand just wasn't there. This is why, when people say they want something, they need to speak with their wallet and get it. That's the only way to really make manufacturers listen. That also applies to Developer Editions and the Google Editions that are on their way.
    Finally a post with some common sense to it! So many come on the forums complaining about the storage space but very few actually carry through and spend the extra $$$ to purchase the 32GB and 64GB models! Thus the poor availability! Samsung may be willing to manufacture the 32/64 models but if the carriers don't buy them why would they?
    The fact remains, demand for the larger models is fairly small and the vast majority of GS4 buyers are fine with the 16GB model!

    Cheers
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    06-08-2013 10:36 AM
  9. Mont7right's Avatar
    This is really going to upset those who argue that an SD card is useless.
    06-08-2013 10:57 AM
  10. MBM7881's Avatar
    Wow great find!! Thanks. Nice to know concerns are being addressed :thumbup:

    Sent from my GT-N8013 using AC Forums mobile app
    06-08-2013 11:01 AM
  11. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    Really? Wow thats pretty dumb
    I heard the camera was different...hows that??
    I can see some small improvement in night shoots...about 5% but maybe it's a placebo effect.
    One thing is certain...the flash of camera has been improved.It's more powerfull
    and the light is diffused uniformly giving a better image overall.
    smooth4lyfe and tohio like this.
    06-08-2013 11:27 AM
  12. JHBThree's Avatar
    This is really going to upset those who argue that an SD card is useless.http://arne.ofxtech.com/8.jpg
    Except it still is. Samsung only allows you to move the smallest part of the app to the SD.

    Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 2
    06-08-2013 06:03 PM
  13. rushmore's Avatar
    Except it still is. Samsung only allows you to move the smallest part of the app to the SD.

    Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk 2
    Let them find out the hard way then. If they do not use many apps, no harm no foul. If they do, so much for near blind trust.
    06-08-2013 06:09 PM
  14. decepticlone's Avatar
    Finally a post with some common sense to it! So many come on the forums complaining about the storage space but very few actually carry through and spend the extra $$$ to purchase the 32GB and 64GB models! Thus the poor availability! Samsung may be willing to manufacture the 32/64 models but if the carriers don't buy them why would they?
    The fact remains, demand for the larger models is fairly small and the vast majority of GS4 buyers are fine with the 16GB model!

    Cheers
    If I understand you two correctly, you are basically saying that, for example, if I were to release two widgets, one of which was a better model, but more expensive, yet only had the low end model available for a month or two, I could effectively say that there was no demand for the high end widget? Goofy logic at best guys. As I understand it, availability of the 32GB model of the S3 was more rare and delayed than the S4 launch.

    I do agree with one thing, though, speak with your wallet. Don't buy because you are impatient. Learn patience and put the consumer back in control of the markets.
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    06-10-2013 11:33 AM
  15. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Finally a post with some common sense to it! So many come on the forums complaining about the storage space but very few actually carry through and spend the extra $$$ to purchase the 32GB and 64GB models! Thus the poor availability! Samsung may be willing to manufacture the 32/64 models but if the carriers don't buy them why would they?
    The fact remains, demand for the larger models is fairly small and the vast majority of GS4 buyers are fine with the 16GB model!

    Cheers
    It's not about he carriers. It's about the users. The users don't buy them, so the carriers won't waste cash on them, and the OEM won't waste components on them. In the end, it will only result in deeply discounted devices that kill their profit margins as they near launching the next iteration.
    06-28-2013 10:16 AM
  16. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    I have had the update and have yet to use the Move Apps to SD feature...I'm just glad the phone actually works now

    Sent from my Galaxy S4 Exynos via Tapatalk 4... I LOVE THIS PHONE
    06-28-2013 10:22 AM
  17. Topgonzo's Avatar
    If I understand you two correctly, you are basically saying that, for example, if I were to release two widgets, one of which was a better model, but more expensive, yet only had the low end model available for a month or two, I could effectively say that there was no demand for the high end widget? Goofy logic at best guys. As I understand it, availability of the 32GB model of the S3 was more rare and delayed than the S4 launch.

    I do agree with one thing, though, speak with your wallet. Don't buy because you are impatient. Learn patience and put the consumer back in control of the markets.
    Not exactly true... You're comparing two products and saying one is inferior to the other.. So people would pay for a better product. In the case of the s4 the lower internal storage is not inferior in anyway to the higher storage.. It works so people that don't need a high amount of storage get the 16gb

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    06-28-2013 10:25 AM
  18. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    If I understand you two correctly, you are basically saying that, for example, if I were to release two widgets, one of which was a better model, but more expensive, yet only had the low end model available for a month or two, I could effectively say that there was no demand for the high end widget? Goofy logic at best guys. As I understand it, availability of the 32GB model of the S3 was more rare and delayed than the S4 launch.

    I do agree with one thing, though, speak with your wallet. Don't buy because you are impatient. Learn patience and put the consumer back in control of the markets.
    I think you completely miscomprehending what they are saying.

    The higher SKUs don't sale nearly as well as some people's cries for them are implying. That's the issue. Everyone on these forums speaks almost as if their needs are the mainstream, when that simply isn't the case. 64GB SKUs are extremely niche and almost special purpose. There aren't many of us who are willing to pay a premium for a SKU we don't require simply to get manufacturers to offer those SKUs for those who do. Most people are selfish with their purchases, they purchase based on their needs not based on what they think market conditions should be for others.

    If everyone in this thread bought a 64GB GS4 that would still only be a drop in the bucket for Samsung and it still wouldn't change things enough for them to offer those SKUs consistently.
    06-28-2013 10:31 AM
  19. XRayLexx's Avatar
    So, I'm in the UK and the update is yet to appear to KIES. Any idea when it will?
    06-28-2013 10:43 AM
  20. dcillusions77's Avatar
    Talked to Samsung via their website this morning, and they said to look for the update in the "next coming weeks" in the U.S.also tried to squeeze a date from them, no luck though
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    06-28-2013 10:59 AM
  21. JamesBramble's Avatar
    So, I'm in the UK and the update is yet to appear to KIES. Any idea when it will?
    I'm in the UK too. I know Vodafone customers who have branded S4's have had there update a couple of days ago. It's all good I've been told.

    I'm on Vodafone but my S4 is unbranded so I've got to wait a few more days

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    06-28-2013 11:17 AM
  22. LadyShaq1's Avatar
    Does anyone know if this update is for the Samsung GS4 only or all Samsung Androids? I need to know because I love my Galaxy Rush but I don't like the fact that I don't have the option to move my game and "certain" apps to my SD card.
    07-01-2013 09:45 AM
  23. PlanetPluto7's Avatar
    Never had a problem with SD cards other than the card going bad so I had to replace it with a new one that had my backed up data on it. It's a feature; not a bug. Google is wrong.
    07-01-2013 10:52 AM
  24. Craigyc's Avatar
    I just received this update today! Don't have much need to move apps to the SD at the moment as I mainly put spotify offline music on my external SD card! I can't say I have noticed much of an improvement with the camera app though which is what I was looking forward to the most

    I am in the UK by the way on O2.
    07-01-2013 03:10 PM
  25. mysticmeg's Avatar
    I just received this update today! Don't have much need to move apps to the SD at the moment as I mainly put spotify offline music on my external SD card! I can't say I have noticed much of an improvement with the camera app though which is what I was looking forward to the most

    I am in the UK by the way on O2.
    Ive got a sim free i9505 sim free with a 3uk sim contract inserted still haven't got my update

    Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk 2
    07-01-2013 04:47 PM
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