06-11-2013 04:35 PM
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  1. dave25A's Avatar
    From what i've been hearing more and more people seem to be leaving iPhone and getting the Samsung Galaxy S4. According to Carphone Warehouse here in the UK, around 30% of people switching to the S4 are people who have defected from an iPhone. So my logic would be, if more people are leaving iPhone = more people buying the S4, surely that would mean more sales not less
    06-08-2013 04:12 AM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    From what i've been hearing more and more people seem to be leaving iPhone and getting the Samsung Galaxy S4. According to Carphone Warehouse here in the UK, around 30% of people switching to the S4 are people who have defected from an iPhone. So my logic would be, if more people are leaving iPhone = more people buying the S4, surely that would mean more sales not less
    True, but the most recent share numbers showed iOS gaining slightly and Android going down, so the exodus can't be too large, or it isn't outpacing new mobile customers, one of the two.
    06-08-2013 04:26 AM
  3. donm527#IM's Avatar
    the 5 million is possible... if they had enough parts... you hear it from apple and other companies that they are making phones well before launch date to make sure they have enough for a launch. in htc case you heard rumors of not enough supply so they pushed back launch in some countries and diverted supply to others to make sure those markets had enough phones. the first months are probably the largest sales and then levels off.

    just like now... they could be about to or are making iphone 5s as we speak... but rumor is release is pushed back to october. it's only june! they have 5 months to build up iphone 5s supplies... geez imagine how many they are going to sell first month. remember they sold 4 million 4s the first 3 days.

    Well, the article states "sales doubled to 1.2 million in May", If you do a little math and figure back to release day the 5 million number doesn't hold water!
    06-08-2013 06:09 AM
  4. donm527#IM's Avatar
    The recent articles are talking gain in the US market and interesting reasoning as to why and what months were involved.

    iOS Gaining On Android In U.S., Says ComScore - Mobility -


    True, but the most recent share numbers showed iOS gaining slightly and Android going down, so the exodus can't be too large, or it isn't outpacing new mobile customers, one of the two.
    06-08-2013 06:20 AM
  5. donm527#IM's Avatar
    people that leave the iphone doesnt necessarily mean they go straight to the s4... again, there are many good androids that are as good as the s4... LG optimus, HTC One to name a couple and if you were to low ball and say they only sell a million a month, then that is still 24 million phones a year for only two phone models out in the market that wont go to samsung.

    From what i've been hearing more and more people seem to be leaving iPhone and getting the Samsung Galaxy S4. According to Carphone Warehouse here in the UK, around 30% of people switching to the S4 are people who have defected from an iPhone. So my logic would be, if more people are leaving iPhone = more people buying the S4, surely that would mean more sales not less
    06-08-2013 06:27 AM
  6. dave25A's Avatar
    people that leave the iphone doesnt necessarily mean they go straight to the s4... again, there are many good androids that are as good as the s4... LG optimus, HTC One to name a couple and if you were to low ball and say they only sell a million a month, then that is still 24 million phones a year for only two phone models out in the market that wont go to samsung.
    No i didn't mean that everyone who leave iPhone goes straight to the S4, but according to Carphone Warehouse here in the UK, 30% of people who left iPhone have gone to the S4. So my logic was that Samsung should of seen a 30% increase in sales.
    06-08-2013 07:00 AM
  7. slackerjack's Avatar
    It could just be that its not selling as well as they thought it would. Despite their marketing, no device can overcome the taint of lukewarm reviews and word of mouth, which the S4 had in droves. The S4 is selling mind you, nust not as quickly as they thought it would. In the Ones case the numbers the analysts are giving are just too low to be plausible.

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    I dunno...it seems pretty plausable to me that both have wildly undersold what people think they have...remember, valuation is about estimation in the market, done by analyst...who are mostly taking educated guesses based on market facts, speculative sales and sometimes...good old fashion gut feeling. A value, is assigned based on stock targets and market viability... Its not rocket science and it certainly leaves room for error. In this case, an overestimation of sales given the nucking fits sales figures of the gs3...maybe they're right on...maybe they're off...at the end of the day...nothing's solid until earnings are announced.


    If I had to guess, I'd say HTC is probably selling more than anyone expected, I don't know what that number is...but something in the three to five million range seems plausible, the Gs4 selling easily twice that seems similarly plausible. It's more troubling to look at non market facts when it comes to HTC and the sound of the door slamming with the gush of high level executives seemingly hemmoraging from the company..but who knows...executives bail...maybe the company ended its use of double ply toilet paper in the executives washroom...

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    06-08-2013 07:09 AM
  8. donm527#IM's Avatar
    but 30% of what? how many people are leave iphone?
    1000 people? then thats only 300 people that went to s4.
    100,000 people? 30,000 phones.

    No i didn't mean that everyone who leave iPhone goes straight to the S4, but according to Carphone Warehouse here in the UK, 30% of people who left iPhone have gone to the S4. So my logic was that Samsung should of seen a 30% increase in sales.
    06-08-2013 07:32 AM
  9. dave25A's Avatar
    but 30% of what? how many people are leave iphone?
    1000 people? then thats only 300 people that went to s4.
    100,000 people? 30,000 phones.
    This is the article i was talking about Samsung Galaxy S4 converting iPhone users left, right and centre | Know Your Mobile
    06-08-2013 07:58 AM
  10. donm527#IM's Avatar
    Ok... but then how well is the samsung s4 doing in the UK?
    Carephone warehouse saying how s4 is doing compared to iPhone 5 sales?
    Here...

    Apple iPhone 5 remains UK's favourite mobile phone despite Samsung Galaxy S4 launch | Science & Tech | News | Daily Express

    "Samsung may have shifted 10 million Galaxy S4 handsets since launch, but Apples iPhone 5 is still number one with UK punters, according to new research from uSwitch.
    And it isnt just the latest iPhone that UK punters love either. Apples 2012 flagship, the iPhone 4S, came in second place with Samsungs Galaxy S4 picking up the bronze in third."

    06-08-2013 08:08 AM
  11. dave25A's Avatar
    Ok... but then how well is the samsung s4 doing in the UK?
    Carephone warehouse saying how s4 is doing compared to iPhone 5 sales?
    Here...

    Apple iPhone 5 remains UK's favourite mobile phone despite Samsung Galaxy S4 launch | Science & Tech | News | Daily Express

    "Samsung may have shifted 10 million Galaxy S4 handsets since launch, but Apples iPhone 5 is still number one with UK punters, according to new research from uSwitch.
    And it isnt just the latest iPhone that UK punters love either. Apples 2012 flagship, the iPhone 4S, came in second place with Samsungs Galaxy S4 picking up the bronze in third."
    People will still like the iPhones i have no doubt, i don't dislike the iPhone i currently have a 4S but i do think they have become stale and boring compared to other phone makers. Apple don't seem to be innovating anymore. I'm not against Apple products i love my iPad, but i would like to be able to customise and also feel that paying 579 for a phone is worth it and not just a minor spec bump like the 5S will be. I think a lot of people are feeling the same way and unless Apple do something, i think iPhone will decline while other phone makers gain ground.
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    06-08-2013 08:15 AM
  12. donm527#IM's Avatar
    well, i understand how you feel... i had the 1st gen iphone and then the 3gs and 4s and wife has 5... but I went with the Nexus 4 recently and I like Jelly Bean. But I dont count out apple... Monday we will find out how different IOS7 is and if they loosen up their hold on it a little and offer a few more features and if rumor of a larger screen 6 is true, then people may love it. That's how the people are and the iphone has been a solid phone. In the meantime, Android makers are killing themselves and they have to sell millions more and still not make the profit apple does on one phone.

    People will still like the iPhones i have no doubt, i don't dislike the iPhone i currently have a 4S but i do think they have become stale and boring compared to other phone makers. Apple don't seem to be innovating anymore. I'm not against Apple products i love my iPad, but i would like to be able to customise and also feel that paying 579 for a phone is worth it and not just a minor spec bump like the 5S will be. I think a lot of people are feeling the same way and unless Apple do something, i think iPhone will decline while other phone makers gain ground.
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    06-08-2013 08:20 AM
  13. dave25A's Avatar
    well, i understand how you feel... i had the 1st gen iphone and then the 3gs and 4s and wife has 5... but I went with the Nexus 4 recently and I like Jelly Bean. But I dont count out apple... Monday we will find out how different IOS7 is and if they loosen up their hold on it a little and offer a few more features and if rumor of a larger screen 6 is true, then people may love it. That's how the people are and the iphone has been a solid phone. In the meantime, Android makers are killing themselves and they have to sell millions more and still not make the profit apple does on one phone.
    That is very true, you can never count Apple out, i just feel at the moment they are stale. That's the reason i'm currently thinking of moving to the S4. Mondays WWDC will be interesting to see what is announced, but there wont be a new iPhone according to many people. IOS 7 may be interesting tho. I will be paying a close attention on Monday.
    06-08-2013 08:25 AM
  14. thornesone's Avatar
    Samsung sales execs and marketing data analysts set an unrealistic goal... No bonus for the hard working sales managers, sales reps, and customer satisfaction reps. "Work harder people" is the message from the top. The money saved is probably equal to the higher sales projection to the bottom line. If we could only see the whiteboard in the secret squirrel room...

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    06-08-2013 08:25 AM
  15. jokout1's Avatar
    The fact remains, we have only one solid number and that is Samsung shipped 10 million units in the first 25 days of availability, a record for any Samsung device! Outside of this we only have speculation from third parties that have a lot to gain financially by fudging the numbers one way or the other!
    In Samsungs case, while a bit startling, this really makes very little difference since they only lost market valuation gained over the last 4 monthes and still are the moble leader globally!
    In HTCs case, these numbers and speculation play a much larger role in the companies viability due to their present condition! I hate seeing Wall Street and Blogers playing money games with a good companies future!

    Cheers
    06-08-2013 08:28 AM
  16. Rule9's Avatar
    If what all of you are taking from these articles of slow sales for Samsung, iPhones, HTC etc, then you're missing the point that some writers were good to point out - the high end smartphone market is over saturated now. Every company is being hit on their high end phones by it, not just a select few. Why do you think so many are fighting like dogs with each other to win the market share of emerging markets with low-mid range phones lately?

    I was surprised - and I never thought I'd say this - that Nokia seems to have had the most foresight of them all to plunge into these markets with both feet this year with their Lumia 520/620/720 windows phones, which aside from the criticisms levelled at WP8 OS itself, actually pack more features and hardware performance for that price point than low-mid end Android phones do (other than the Google subsidized N4)
    06-08-2013 08:41 AM
  17. irishonion's Avatar
    That is very true, you can never count Apple out, i just feel at the moment they are stale. That's the reason i'm currently thinking of moving to the S4. Mondays WWDC will be interesting to see what is announced, but there wont be a new iPhone according to many people. IOS 7 may be interesting tho. I will be paying a close attention on Monday.
    I agree, I don't think apple will release the new iphone anytime soon, especially when they are still dominating with the 5(GS4 won last month) but from slowing sales of GS4 this month, Iphone 5 will kill again.

    I don't think the annalist have accounted for that the general public with crappier economy are starting to get smarter with smartphone purchases, for instance people with gs3 and other older generation phones, realize they don't have to buy a phone right now. I have no numbers to back this up, just a thought.
    06-08-2013 08:44 AM
  18. dave25A's Avatar
    I agree, I don't think apple will release the new iphone anytime soon, especially when they are still dominating with the 5(GS4 won last month) but from slowing sales of GS4 this month, Iphone 5 will kill again.

    I don't think the annalist have accounted for that the general public with crappier economy are starting to get smarter with smartphone purchases, for instance people with gs3 and other older generation phones, realize they don't have to buy a phone right now. I have no numbers to back this up, just a thought.
    Exactly, and i think if Apple want to get customers back (and stop those of us who are thinking about leaving) then they need to open up more and give us as the user more control over our phones. A bigger display would also be nice. Apple can do it, and they can do it well its just that they seem to lagging behind ever since Job's died.
    06-08-2013 09:01 AM
  19. madlaw1071's Avatar
    The 5 million number was not debunked. One analyst claims it was lower, but he's just guessing. At this point the only thing that will debunk the 5 million number from HTC is another number from HTC.
    Uh htc debunked its own number and ran away from 5 million the same day that rumor came out.
    06-08-2013 09:13 AM
  20. madlaw1071's Avatar
    An analyst's guess. I'll take the word of an HTC exec over that of an analyst.
    Roflmao an anonymous htc exec over someone who works for a major Wall Street investment firm? Oooookkk
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    06-08-2013 09:16 AM
  21. donm527#IM's Avatar
    they didnt debunk... they just didnt confirm or would comment on the sales figure... "According to The Wall Street Journal, who cited an anonymous HTC executive, the company "has sold around 5 million One smartphones" since its launch about a month ago."

    debunk makes it sound like a flat out lie which maybe not 5 million exactly at the time... 4.8 million? but considering htc's already shaky position, and its been documented they had a slow start due to parts, do you think they want to play the numbers game with the press over how many sold the first week or month and have happen to htc stock what just happened to samsung the other day over a story? the ceo put his job on the line and i think he wants to show numbers when production is running at 100% capacity and when he wants to.

    Uh htc debunked its own number and ran away from 5 million the same day that rumor came out.
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    06-08-2013 09:25 AM
  22. madlaw1071's Avatar
    they didnt debunk... they just didnt confirm or would comment on the sales figure... "According to The Wall Street Journal, who cited an anonymous HTC executive, the company "has sold around 5 million One smartphones" since its launch about a month ago."

    debunk makes it sound like a flat out lie which maybe not 5 million exactly at the time... 4.8 million? but considering htc's already shaky position, and its been documented they had a slow start due to parts, do you think they want to play the numbers game with the press over how many sold the first week or month and have happen to htc stock what just happened to samsung the other day over a story? the ceo put his job on the line and i think he wants to show numbers when production is running at 100% capacity and when he wants to.
    If it really was 5 million HTC would have confirmed the number and shouted it from the rooftops just like samsungs CEO did with the 10 million announcement.
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    06-08-2013 09:29 AM
  23. donm527#IM's Avatar
    This is a June 4 article and the quote says, "HTC says it shipped more than five million units during the first month the One was available." It doesnt say anonymous anymore and honestly any recent article doesnt use the anonymous source anymore and pretty much all go by saying "HTC says." So from the first leak, until now, it could be HTC went ahead and confirmed it... or waited an extra week to really pass 5 million... they just did it when 'they' wanted to.

    HTC One Sales Strong, But Execs Depart - Mobility - Smartphones -

    At this point I don't think there is any argument that they've sold over 5 million at this point... the question for htc is how much they will be able to sell and if enough to save the ceo's job.

    Just like there is no doubt that samsung has sold over 10 million... but how much they can sell going forward.

    If it really was 5 million HTC would have confirmed the number and shouted it from the rooftops just like samsungs CEO did with the 10 million announcement.
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    06-08-2013 09:35 AM
  24. madlaw1071's Avatar
    This is a June 4 article and the quote says, "HTC says it shipped more than five million units during the first month the One was available." It doesnt say anonymous anymore and honestly any recent article doesnt use the anonymous source anymore and pretty much all go by saying "HTC says." So from the first leak, until now, it could be HTC went ahead and confirmed it... or waited an extra week to really pass 5 million... they just did it when 'they' wanted to.

    HTC One Sales Strong, But Execs Depart - Mobility - Smartphones -

    At this point I don't think there is any argument that they've sold over 5 million at this point... the question for htc is how much they will be able to sell and if enough to save the ceo's job.

    Just like there is no doubt that samsung has sold over 10 million... but how much they can sell going forward.
    Please find a source besides the original anonymous source that all the 5 million sales claims come from. So far all the claims stem back to the original claim which htc refused to confirm.

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    06-08-2013 10:20 AM
  25. ffejjj's Avatar
    The only thing i consider in the current "units sold" argument.

    Samsung has pockets full of money so they can make a load of phones to meet the immediate needs of their customers. If they dont sell a many as they anticipate its not as damaging to them.

    Htc on the other hand has to keep it tight seeing as money is much more of an issue currently. For them they have to make enough to just stay in front of the game. I'll be interesting to see how the supply meets the demand when Verizon launches The One given the size of Verizon. First will there be a big demand. Second can htc supply fast enough so there are no major order delays?
    06-08-2013 10:25 AM
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