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  1. SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl's Avatar
    Except Apple isn't touting it as being innovative. ALL of the stuff on Apple's site related to iOS7 only mentions advancements related to previous versions of iOS. There are even subtle jabs at themselves, like saying that 'some things should only be a swipe away' for control center, which was a huge complaint with all previous versions of iOS.

    I've actually been surprised with their restraint with not saying 'this is so innovative. We're so great compared to everyone else' like they usually do. Instead they seem to be pushing it more towards touting the changes compared to previous versions of iOS.
    Did you watch the same key note that I did? Just making sure.......
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    06-10-2013 08:13 PM
  2. bembol's Avatar
    I wanted iOS 7 to be more like the SimplyZesty's concept but it's enough to go back to the iPhone.

    I still prefer & love android but like I said I am a Mac user and missed my iTunes (protected) Purchases. I will sell my S4 and keep the hTc One.
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    06-10-2013 08:30 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    Did you watch the same key note that I did? Just making sure.......
    lol, I didn't watch it, just read about and saw pictures of the announcements. I was wondering if watching it made a difference.
    06-10-2013 08:30 PM
  4. Aquila's Avatar
    This more or less summarizes what's filling up my G+ feed. To be fair, I don't follow any Apple sites/blogs, etc. so it's a little one sided.

    06-10-2013 08:32 PM
  5. JHBThree's Avatar
    Did you watch the same key note that I did? Just making sure.......
    I'm not talking about the keynote, I'm talking about the consumer-facing information. The stuff that normal people will actually see. (Normal people don't watch keynotes)

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    06-10-2013 08:45 PM
  6. JHBThree's Avatar
    This more or less summarizes what's filling up my G+ feed. To be fair, I don't follow any Apple sites/blogs, etc. so it's a little one sided.

    https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-z...h905-no/13+-+1
    Its not just one-sided, its also completely and totally wrong. Almost all of those things existed before android and ios. Just proves that there are android fans (just like some Apple fans) out there that don't have the slightest idea what they're talking about.

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    06-10-2013 08:47 PM
  7. Farish's Avatar
    Now that I finally got some time.

    Here is my perspective:

    IOS7 offers features and enhancements that give some of the best features of Android without the customization of Android.

    You still can't customize like you can with Android but you now have some of the look/feel/usage of Android that helps make Android so desirable.

    Any sort of innovation is more on the side of how everything integrates with OSX. Windows 8 mobile and Android do not even offer close to what Apple does for it's own platform.

    Apple makes everything seamless. That is their advantage.

    Now Google has improved some features and integration with services on Android and other platforms and that was strongly showed at I/O 2013, but it still pales on Apple's level.

    That more has to do with the fact that Google is still not a hardware/software company. They are a software company that layers its software on top of many different platforms.

    Now that new Mac Pro is extreme sexiness. I am sure their some Google employees right now who plan to buy one as soon as it is released.

    Now I have to debate do I get this or my can-am spyder, lol.
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    06-10-2013 08:59 PM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    Now that I finally got some time.

    Here is my perspective:

    IOS7 offers features and enhancements that give some of the best features of Android without the customization of Android.

    You still can't customize like you can with Android but you now have some of the look/feel/usage of Android that helps make Android so desirable.

    Any sort of innovation is more on the side of how everything integrates with OSX. Windows 8 mobile and Android do not even offer close to what Apple does for it's own platform.

    Apple makes everything seamless. That is their advantage.

    Now Google has improved some features and integration with services on Android and other platforms and that was strongly showed at I/O 2013, but it still pales on Apple's level.

    That more has to do with the fact that Google is still not a hardware/software company. They are a software company that layers its software on top of many different platforms.

    Now that new Mac Pro is extreme sexiness. I am sure their some Google employees right now who plan to buy one as soon as it is released.

    Now I have to debate do I get this or my can-am spyder, lol.
    uh, spyder.

    But the integration/optimization thing and the advantage about seamless are both spot on. Those were the huge advantages back in the pre-ICS days. I personally feel that with ICS that part tied and with JB it's better on Android now, but that's purely from a Nexus standpoint. I haven't owned a non-nexus phone since ICS, so I can't speak to those other than from what I've played with, and those still had the hiccups that make nerds shudder.

    Edit to point out that comedy doesn't require 100% accuracy in order to be funny.
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    06-10-2013 09:07 PM
  9. Farish's Avatar
    uh, spyder.
    Truth is I am a grown man who wants all his toys so my goal is to have both lol
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    06-10-2013 09:16 PM
  10. Ry's Avatar
    Now that I finally got some time.

    Here is my perspective:

    IOS7 offers features and enhancements that give some of the best features of Android without the customization of Android.

    You still can't customize like you can with Android but you now have some of the look/feel/usage of Android that helps make Android so desirable.

    Any sort of innovation is more on the side of how everything integrates with OSX. Windows 8 mobile and Android do not even offer close to what Apple does for it's own platform.

    Apple makes everything seamless. That is their advantage.

    Now Google has improved some features and integration with services on Android and other platforms and that was strongly showed at I/O 2013, but it still pales on Apple's level.

    That more has to do with the fact that Google is still not a hardware/software company. They are a software company that layers its software on top of many different platforms.

    Now that new Mac Pro is extreme sexiness. I am sure their some Google employees right now who plan to buy one as soon as it is released.

    Now I have to debate do I get this or my can-am spyder, lol.
    But can Google get their without closing Android or forcing their partners to make "Nexus-experience" devices only? The openness of Android is its strength. The integration of the Apple ecosystem is one of Apple's strengths.

    Seems that for Google to be "more" successful, they should be more strict - like Apple. But it seems like for Apple to be "more" successful, they should be more open - like Google.

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    06-10-2013 09:36 PM
  11. fishepa's Avatar
    I'm holding out for their new 7" ipad that is coming out later this year with the retina screen.

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    06-10-2013 09:39 PM
  12. jonathan2677's Avatar
    I'm definitely interested. One of the reason I just got an S4 was because of Apple's stale OS they've had since the beginning. I hope I don't have any regrets.
    Yeah it looks worth checking out don't think I'd give up my one but still like to play with it there's a developer on my local craigslist Lehigh valley pa,selling a sealed 64gb running ios7 for 750 I'm surprised that's all

    sent from the smartphone of 2013 HTC ONE...
    06-10-2013 09:46 PM
  13. truthteller10's Avatar
    I'd always try out a new platform because im not one of those that is a strict fan of any one particular thing but a fan of the "Best" ..The only way for me to try out an Iphone is if they give me at least a 4.8 inch screen.
    06-10-2013 10:07 PM
  14. anon(5421739)'s Avatar
    I think iOS 7 is worth a try, but I probably won't be making it my daily driver. At least Apple made it avaliable for the iPad 2, so I can delay buying a new iPad until the new ones appear.

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    06-10-2013 10:23 PM
  15. dave25A's Avatar
    So when are you getting your s4?

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    I plan on getting my S4 in the next few months, I'm holding out for the different colour options that Samsung announced a couple of weeks ago if they are available over hear in the UK. Also hoping the price might of dropped a little by then.
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    06-11-2013 04:23 AM
  16. htabbach's Avatar
    Why wait though? All these features you've been anxiously awaiting have been used by millions of people all around you. If I wanted a feature that I could only get through rooting, i'd root so that I could get it. If I REALLY wanted a feature that Android didn't have, i'd leave Android for someone who did have it. What do we get in return for giving these companies all our money when they aren't giving us what we need/want? You have the power to go get what you want and need with your own hard earned money.

    I understand if someone just likes 5 or 6 specific things about Apple that no one else offers (I imagine you are this way). And when that's the case, it makes more sense why you'd anxiously wait for new (old) features. But I am too big of a fan of innovation and features. If someone is always a year behind, there's not a chance I would continue tossing my money at them. That's why I love Android. These "revolutionary features" are old news by the time my iPhone friends even hear about them.
    So, you are asking me why I don't use Android instead? Well, I used it for 3 years before I ever used or owned an iPhone but I did not like it! I hated the fragmentation, I hated having to WAIT for an update sometimes for up to a year!!!! Customization is very overrated, in fact, it is the most overrated feature in mobile computing. When I used Android I was always working on making the device better, everyday! Rooting, installing new ROMs, it consumed my life! The device became a burden instead of being what it is, a utility we use to better our lives, the iPhone works out of the box, no if's or but's.

    The integration was also one of the biggest reasons I switched. Being able to integrate your phone, tablet, computer, laptop and TV without 3rd party applications was high! I can see my content from anywhere on any of my devices, my notifications, apps, data, etc.

    Another reason is because I really dislike what Google is about VS Apple. Apple makes products like most vendors we use, they make quality products and sells it to people, making their money by selling quality products. That is why Apple cares about the user experience. Google on the other hand does not give crap about your user experience, you can be using a flagship phone or a ****ty crappy phone, they STILL MAKE THEIR MONEY BY SELLING OR USING YOUR DATA! They don't care if their OS is being used on a crappy hardware where the user experience is horrible!

    To each their own, but there is a reason Apple fans like Apple, and believe me, some of us really know what we are doing.
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    06-11-2013 08:30 AM
  17. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I'm not talking about the keynote, I'm talking about the consumer-facing information. The stuff that normal people will actually see. (Normal people don't watch keynotes)

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    Yeah but earlier when you said Apple doesn't claim innovation, that was in response to everyone else talking about the keynote AND what hits the public. I am impressed with that backpedal, but just admit that Apple does claim innovation even when it isn't innovation. It doesn't matter so much what they mask to their consumers, THEY think they're being innovative and they DO pass that sentiment onto the consumer whether they shout that exact phrase or not.
    06-11-2013 09:53 AM
  18. ncvikingx97's Avatar
    Lol why are you trolling an android forum? Regardless of what he said to you , you don't have to retaliate by repeating the immaturity. For one ( you said this because you are raging), Google obviously cares about the use experience, or they wouldn't have refined jellybean to the point where it is. Second, you act like manufacturers using android on lower quality/priced devices is a bad thing. If not for using this idea, android would not have nearly as much market share. By the way, apple dues the same thing yearly by keeping their older phones to sell to people on a budget, effectively doing the same thing. Apple is good , I used to own an iPhone and seek use an iPad some, but you can't ignore the pros of both.

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    06-11-2013 10:04 AM
  19. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I hated having to WAIT for an update sometimes for up to a year!!!! .
    I don't mind that you like Apple. Like you said, to each their own. I'm sure you have your reasons. But my question is......how is it that you're okay waiting for 1, 2, or 3 years even for features from Apple, but waiting a year for an update from Android is suddenly a dealbreaker?

    I just often see that the reasons we hate one thing, are often worse on the platform we are forever dedicated to. If I HATED Android because I had to wait a year for an update, I would DESPISE Apple for making me wait 2 or 3 years for new features. It's no different, and if anything it makes Apple worse on that note.

    I can understand the fragmentation. I also get irritated by that. Integration I think is a thing of the past. It used to be that Apple was way better than anyone else with that, but if you buy quality universal products you will have a good experience. There are solid apps to sync my iTunes music with my Android device. Google has made massive strides in integration. And quite honestly, they deserve credit for doing as good as they've done with the fragmentation you've spoken of.

    Ultimately it comes down to desire for freedom and choice vs. being tied to one device and relying on a CEO and Board of Directors to make your choices for you. Up until the iPhone 4, I would say they did a great job of that. But recently I don't think they really care so much about the user as you think they do. If they did, they'd spend more time implementing features instead of consistently being a year behind.

    Android definitely requires you to do your research before buying a device. With Apple, you know you'll get their very best without having to pick between different devices. I can see that as being a pretty big plus. But if you've done your research with Android, the phone will "just work" every bit as good out of the box as any iPhone. The only hard part about Android is educating yourself BEFORE you buy. But if you've done that due dilligence, you'll have a great experience just like any iPhone fan/user.
    06-11-2013 10:06 AM
  20. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    Lol why are you trolling an android forum? Regardless of what he said to you , you don't have to retaliate by repeating the immaturity. For one ( you said this because you are raging), Google obviously cares about the use experience, or they wouldn't have refined jellybean to the point where it is. Second, you act like manufacturers using android on lower quality/priced devices is a bad thing. If not for using this idea, android would not have nearly as much market share. By the way, apple dues the same thing yearly by keeping their older phones to sell to people on a budget, effectively doing the same thing. Apple is good , I used to own an iPhone and seek use an iPad some, but you can't ignore the pros of both.

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    Neither of us are being immature, we're talking about phones. That's what this forum is about. Why would you call us immature? Then you go on and do what you told him not to do by "retaliating". We're keeping the discussion friendly.
    06-11-2013 10:08 AM
  21. htabbach's Avatar
    Lol why are you trolling an android forum? Regardless of what he said to you , you don't have to retaliate by repeating the immaturity. For one ( you said this because you are raging), Google obviously cares about the use experience, or they wouldn't have refined jellybean to the point where it is. Second, you act like manufacturers using android on lower quality/priced devices is a bad thing. If not for using this idea, android would not have nearly as much market share. By the way, apple dues the same thing yearly by keeping their older phones to sell to people on a budget, effectively doing the same thing. Apple is good , I used to own an iPhone and seek use an iPad some, but you can't ignore the pros of both.

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    I am not trolling, I visit all mobile sites because I love technology, and I had used Android before. I never insulted you or anyone as a person, I am stating my opinion, I apologize if that offended you. As far as your question, when I said crappy devices I was not speaking of the legacy devices, like the original Galaxy for example. I was literally talking about crappy devices, I know lots of people who use entry level Android devices and believe me, the experience is painful. If Google cares about user experience then they need to have some standards when it comes to the hardware hosting their OS, but the reality is, they don't, they make money by people using their OS, not by people buying the phone!
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    06-11-2013 10:11 AM
  22. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    they make money by people using their OS, not by people buying the phone!
    And thank heavens they do. Because if they didn't, they wouldn't have given Apple users a quality Maps option, or the opportunity to try Google Now, or any of their other apps. See, people just look at things very differently. You dislike them for the very reason I like them. I respect a company that gives EVERYONE the opportunity to use their stuff and increase the quality of their experience. Sure, Google does it for the money. It's a business, not a charity and they are wanting to maximize profits like anyone else. But I love that they choose to go about it in a way that benefits everyone (except those who went cheap and bought an entry level Android device). I read Steve Jobs' autobiography and he was a total a** when it came to Google. He stole from multiple companies in his path to create his empire, but then he implements a double standard in the way he views other companies that follow the same paths he did.

    Instead of Larry Page, Sergei Brin, Schmidt, etc... telling Apple users to go to he** like Jobs told Android users, they reach out and offer them quality apps that in many cases, are leaps and bounds ahead of what Apple offers their users. I respect that.
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    06-11-2013 10:20 AM
  23. SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl's Avatar
    So, you are asking me why I don't use Android instead? Well, I used it for 3 years before I ever used or owned an iPhone but I did not like it! I hated the fragmentation, I hated having to WAIT for an update sometimes for up to a year!!!! Customization is very overrated, in fact, it is the most overrated feature in mobile computing. When I used Android I was always working on making the device better, everyday! Rooting, installing new ROMs, it consumed my life! The device became a burden instead of being what it is, a utility we use to better our lives, the iPhone works out of the box, no if's or but's.

    The integration was also one of the biggest reasons I switched. Being able to integrate your phone, tablet, computer, laptop and TV without 3rd party applications was high! I can see my content from anywhere on any of my devices, my notifications, apps, data, etc.

    Another reason is because I really dislike what Google is about VS Apple. Apple makes products like most vendors we use, they make quality products and sells it to people, making their money by selling quality products. That is why Apple cares about the user experience. Google on the other hand does not give crap about your user experience, you can be using a flagship phone or a ****ty crappy phone, they STILL MAKE THEIR MONEY BY SELLING OR USING YOUR DATA! They don't care if their OS is being used on a crappy hardware where the user experience is horrible!

    To each their own, but there is a reason Apple fans like Apple, and believe me, some of us really know what we are doing.
    LOL. Google doesn't care about user experience? That is way over the top. I wonder what the user expereince would be like in mobile or web without google? I promise you it would be worse all around.
    06-11-2013 10:29 AM
  24. Farish's Avatar
    Since innovation keeps getting brought, Apple did innovative with the iPhone 5. (What really??? Yes really!!!). The innovation was not something sexy or stands out directly. It was the custom A5 processor that Apple designed for the iPhone. They made their own instruction set and cpu architecture (off the license from ARM) to be optimized around their operating system. I am sure that their next generation is going to do the same and have great battery life off multitasking because of this.

    This isn't what the public sees. The public sees IOS7 with toggles and multitasking. If Apple comes out with a larger screen, they will see that.

    It is why sometimes I hate benchmark testing so much because people are trying to compare Apples to Oranges.
    06-11-2013 10:30 AM
  25. swent1's Avatar
    Since innovation keeps getting brought, Apple did innovative with the iPhone 5. (What really??? Yes really!!!). The innovation was not something sexy or stands out directly. It was the custom A5 processor that Apple designed for the iPhone. They made their own instruction set and cpu architecture (off the license from ARM) to be optimized around their operating system. I am sure that their next generation is going to do the same and have great battery life off multitasking because of this.

    This isn't what the public sees. The public sees IOS7 with toggles and multitasking. If Apple comes out with a larger screen, they will see that.

    It is why sometimes I hate benchmark testing so much because people are trying to compare Apples to Oranges.
    You hit it right on. I completely disregarded that fact about the chip before. Not an iPhone user but glad you brought that point up. They did innovate with that chip, there new chip coming as well.

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    06-11-2013 10:53 AM
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