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  1. pappy53's Avatar
    Apple, in my opinion, actually builds better products, but they don't have the size of screen that fits my needs.
    If Apple would build an iPhone the size of the Moto X, they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand, and a huge portion of those customers would be present Android owners, IMHO.
    I agree about the screen, and that is why I will switch to a bigger screened Android every now and then, plus the fact that I also love Android. But I just had successful cornea transplant surgeries in both eyes, and now the smaller screen is not much of an issue. I just wish that iPhone had text wrap, as that is very useful, and I don't understand why Apple has not implemented it yet.
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    09-03-2013 08:56 AM
  2. DroidArmy's Avatar
    So late last week my wife used Google Now on her iPhone 5 (presumably making sure it got into active memory, but I don't know if it made a difference) and then went back to work after maternity leave on Friday. Something about her change in schedule or opening Google Now drained the battery without her using it in half a day. She had to turn it off to keep her battery from draining in just a few hours. I have my Google Now on all the time and I make it through the day without any problems, even while traveling. That doesn't sound very magical to me.
    Well, cross platform sometimes isn't the greatest. Google? They program for Android extremely well because they own it. When they program apps for Apple however, it's a completely different system written in different code. They're not the best at writing Apple apps, it's can be hard to take something from Android and port everything to iOS. The maps app: lags a decent amount and is slow. Google now: works fine, but battery issues. Nothing is perfect, but that doesn't make it the phones fault. If anything, it's faulty programming. It happens a lot on Android as well
    09-03-2013 08:56 AM
  3. DroidArmy's Avatar
    If Apple would build an iPhone the size of the Moto X, they wouldn't be able to keep up with demand, and a huge portion of those customers would be present Android owners, IMHO.
    I agree about the screen, and that is why I will switch to a bigger screened Android every now and then, plus the fact that I also love Android. But I just had successful cornea transplant surgeries in both eyes, and now the smaller screen is not much of an issue. I just wish that iPhone had text wrap, as that is very useful, and I don't understand why Apple has not implemented it yet.
    Exactly. With the amount of people currently wanting iPhones, the demand is hard to meet when the phones are released. Even if you pre-order the next iPhone it can be a long time before they can get one out to you. If they made a screen say 5 inches, orders would be backed up 2-3 months. It would be that bad, that's the only thing apple is missing. They desperately need a bigger screen to thrive in this new market of phones that are 5+ inches
    09-03-2013 09:01 AM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    So late last week my wife used Google Now on her iPhone 5 (presumably making sure it got into active memory, but I don't know if it made a difference) and then went back to work after maternity leave on Friday. Something about her change in schedule or opening Google Now drained the battery without her using it in half a day. She had to turn it off to keep her battery from draining in just a few hours. I have my Google Now on all the time and I make it through the day without any problems, even while traveling. That doesn't sound very magical to me.
    I would put that at Google's front door, not Apple. Sounds like shoddy programming to me.
    09-03-2013 09:05 AM
  5. garublador's Avatar
    I would put that at Google's front door, not Apple. Sounds like shoddy programming to me.
    I could just as easily claim that the iPhone gets better battery life because it doesn't do anywhere near as much as Android. It has a smaller screen with a slower processor and doesn't do any sort of location based services. It's not magic, it's just that it doesn't do as much. Having a much smaller battery run out faster doing the same thing is perfectly in line with what went on.
    09-03-2013 09:12 AM
  6. DroidArmy's Avatar
    I could just as easily claim that the iPhone gets better battery life because it doesn't do anywhere near as much as Android. It has a smaller screen with a slower processor and doesn't do any sort of location based services. It's not magic, it's just that it doesn't do as much. Having a much smaller battery run out faster doing the same thing is perfectly in line with what went on.
    Nope, it's not in line. I'm going to say faulty programming (which I've dabbled in). It may have a slower processor, but it doesn't need a huge one. My old iPhone 5 runs as fast as my Galaxy, and that's due to optimization (which android basically doesn't have unless you have a Moto x). It's all about optimization. And yes, it does do location services with Google Now. It can also remind you things when you get to a certain location, etc. Basically, you have no argument
    09-03-2013 09:14 AM
  7. garublador's Avatar
    Basically, you have no argument
    Well, except physics. A phone with as smaller battery will drain faster than a phone with a larger battery if they're performing the same operation. I'm not claiming that the iPhone 5 is bad or even worse than a S4, just that the battery life isn't anything special like some people claim. It's pretty much the same as most other flagship devices, except for the new Motorloas, which have better battery life than most.
    09-03-2013 09:20 AM
  8. DroidArmy's Avatar
    Well, except physics. A phone with as smaller battery will drain faster than a phone with a larger battery if they're performing the same operation. I'm not claiming that the iPhone 5 is bad or even worse than a S4, just that the battery life isn't anything special like some people claim. It's pretty much the same as most other flagship devices, except for the new Motorloas, which have better battery life than most.
    Well if it's the same device you would be correct, but these are not. Like I said, it comes down to optimization. The iPhone could be running a process at let's say 800 mhz. Then let's say I have a galaxy running the process at 1.9 ghz. Obviously, the Galaxy will die faster.
    09-03-2013 09:26 AM
  9. pappy53's Avatar
    I could just as easily claim that the iPhone gets better battery life because it doesn't do anywhere near as much as Android. It has a smaller screen with a slower processor and doesn't do any sort of location based services. It's not magic, it's just that it doesn't do as much. Having a much smaller battery run out faster doing the same thing is perfectly in line with what went on.
    Optimization is the magic, and Moto is the only one that understands that so far.
    It is the reason that an iPhone's performance is equal to, or better than basically any Android on the market, and does it with a "slower processor" and a smaller battery.
    If all Android OEM's would follow Moto's lead on optimizing, then it would probably be the biggest improvement in Android history. And I hope that they do.
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    09-03-2013 09:28 AM
  10. whoahbro's Avatar
    I left the iPhone because iOS is soooooo boooorrrrring.

    If you aren't bored with iOS you either just got it, or you are one step of competency away from needing a jitterbug flip phone.

    The only 2 things going for the iPhone IMO is the stability of iOS and the physical aesthetics of the phone.

    If the s4 was more metal, glass, carbon fiber, faux leather or wood, or some other premium feeling material I would have went with it. I'm sure Samsung will be addressing this.

    Sent from my HTCONE using AC Forums mobile app
    09-03-2013 09:41 AM
  11. hucworld's Avatar
    Upon reading this article I just had a conversation with a coworker about this matter. He claims to have heard about the S4 having issues and what not. He is currenly an iPhone user as was I. I was a loyal iPhone user and sometimes miss my iPhone but when I see and notice the things I can do on my S4 I quickly get over missing it.
    09-03-2013 09:58 AM
  12. pappy53's Avatar
    If you aren't bored with iOS you either just got it, or you are one step of competency away from needing a jitterbug flip phone.
    Neither, and I don't appreciate the comment.
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    09-03-2013 09:59 AM
  13. Haalcyon's Avatar
    I left the iPhone because iOS is soooooo boooorrrrring.

    If you aren't bored with iOS you either just got it, or you are one step of competency away from needing a jitterbug flip phone.

    The only 2 things going for the iPhone IMO is the stability of iOS and the physical aesthetics of the phone.

    If the s4 was more metal, glass, carbon fiber, faux leather or wood, or some other premium feeling material I would have went with it. I'm sure Samsung will be addressing this.

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    Neither, and I don't appreciate the comment.

    I don't know why folks need to come
    in a public forum and act like little kids and make comments like that to you, Pappy, or others with no regard to whether or not they're offensive. Just ignore that comment. You have to realize everyone that frequents AC isn't necessarily mature or an adult, despite their avatar.

    Sent from my humble S4 or Note 8 or Xperia Z tablet
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    09-03-2013 10:11 AM
  14. Edible Walrus's Avatar
    You're right, it's not as good. It's better
    I went there :P I don't see myself going back to iOS any time soon after using this phone. Just wish it ran cooler
    09-03-2013 10:14 AM
  15. DroidArmy's Avatar

    If you aren't bored with iOS you either just got it, or you are one step of competency away from needing a jitterbug flip phone.

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    Thank you common Apple judging hater, for making apple fans look like complete brain-damaged oxygen suckers -_-

    :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
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    09-03-2013 10:29 AM
  16. Kilgore Trout's Avatar
    There are some ways in which I don't get the supposed simplicity of ios. I find the launcher very frustrating and I can never find anything. With both Nova and Apex (I have never really tried touchwhiz) I find it much easier to organize folders.

    All the out of the box advantages of iPhone disappear once you customize.
    09-03-2013 10:49 AM
  17. DroidArmy's Avatar
    There are some ways in which I don't get the supposed simplicity of ios. I find the launcher very frustrating and I can never find anything. With both Nova and Apex (I have never really tried touchwhiz) I find it much easier to organize folders.

    All the out of the box advantages of iPhone disappear once you customize.
    That's why ios has folders, it works kinda like nova. Organizing should be very easy (it took me no time to find apps on ios)
    09-03-2013 11:01 AM
  18. ab304945's Avatar
    Yes the gs4 is not as good as the iPhone. The gs4 is better then the iPhone!!

    Posted via Android Central App
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    09-03-2013 11:05 AM
  19. DroidArmy's Avatar
    Yes the gs4 is not as good as the iPhone. The gs4 is better then the iPhone!!

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    Ehh I say you're right for now, but if apple releases the new iPhone with a bigger screen than expected.... The Galaxy s4 will be crushed by the sales of iPhones within days
    09-03-2013 11:25 AM
  20. Kilgore Trout's Avatar
    That's why ios has folders, it works kinda like nova. Organizing should be very easy (it took me no time to find apps on ios)
    I am aware that IOS has folders. I use an iPad every day.

    One major annoyance is that you can't assign icons to folders. You end up with a bunch of little boxes on your homepage. With NOVA, I have a folder with all my google apps and it is on my home screen with an actual Google symbol. Similarly, my finance apps have a dollar symbol, travel apps have a little plane, etc. Far easier to see and work with.

    It is also much easier to move apps into folders and across homescreens with Nova.

    IOS has a bare bones launcher. Basically just all your apps strung out. I find it fairly frustrating.
    09-03-2013 11:27 AM
  21. shoii's Avatar
    Ehh I say you're right for now, but if apple releases the new iPhone with a bigger screen than expected.... The Galaxy s4 will be crushed by the sales of iPhones within days
    Your name and your arguments really confuse me

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    09-03-2013 11:32 AM
  22. garublador's Avatar
    Well if it's the same device you would be correct, but these are not. Like I said, it comes down to optimization. The iPhone could be running a process at let's say 800 mhz. Then let's say I have a galaxy running the process at 1.9 ghz. Obviously, the Galaxy will die faster.
    But it doesn't. My wife's iPhone 5 and my Galaxy S4 get very similar battery life unless her Google Now (which I have running also) sucks up a bunch of her battery, in which case the iPhone 5 isn't as good. The iPhones get a good rap for battery life because they're slow to adopt faster internet speed radios. The 4S seemed like it had awesome battery life because it was compared with phones with new, inefficient 4G radios in them. Now that the iPhone 5 has 4G and that 4G radios have become more efficient, the iPhone 5 gets similar battery life as other phones with the same features. Apple calls it "efficiency" but really it's just less stuff that the phone is doing.

    Optimization is the magic, and Moto is the only one that understands that so far.
    It is the reason that an iPhone's performance is equal to, or better than basically any Android on the market, and does it with a "slower processor" and a smaller battery.
    But it's not longer. I haven't seen anything that shows that it's any better than most Android phones. Everything I've seen suggests that the new Motorolas get way better battery life than the iPhone 5, and every other Android phone as well.

    Here's one review from a site that specialized in battery life comparisons and it shows the iPhone 5 has 80% of the battery life of the S4:

    Samsung Galaxy S4 Battery Life Review | CompareBatteryLife.com

    I haven't seen anythign that shows the iPhone 5 performing better than most new Android phones, either. It's expected because it's about a year old, but I'm just illustrating that it's not "optimization" just an older, slower processor that both takes less power and doesn't perform as fast, but still admittedly really well for its generation.

    If all Android OEM's would follow Moto's lead on optimizing, then it would probably be the biggest improvement in Android history. And I hope that they do.
    I really hope they do too. The way the new Moto's are handling battery consumption is one of the best advancements in smartphones that we've had for a while. It's way beyond what any other manufacturer, including Apple, has done in the area. I really hope that kind of hardware optimization is done in all future flagship phones. Having a phone that monitors location, activity and constant voice recognition with minimal impact on idle battery life would be awesome. Most manufacturers are too focused on adding stuff to the phone while you use it. There's a good 20+ hours of the day that they're ignoring where your phone could be doing something useful.
    09-03-2013 11:32 AM
  23. DroidArmy's Avatar
    I am aware that IOS has folders. I use an iPad every day.

    One major annoyance is that you can't assign icons to folders. You end up with a bunch of little boxes on your homepage. With NOVA, I have a folder with all my google apps and it is on my home screen with an actual Google symbol. Similarly, my finance apps have a dollar symbol, travel apps have a little plane, etc. Far easier to see and work with.

    It is also much easier to move apps into folders and across homescreens with Nova.

    IOS has a bare bones launcher. Basically just all your apps strung out. I find it fairly frustrating.
    Alright, I see what you mean. That makes sense. Personally, I like the way ios does it because I can read the folder name and open it, but if that doesn't work for you that's fine. I'm glad you like nova
    09-03-2013 11:33 AM
  24. asanatheist's Avatar
    Very true. Steve Jobs was a GENIUS at marketing, any marketing student should look up to him as a God. Steve Wozniack on the other hand, TERRIBLE at marketing, invented the first mac computer and gets almost no recognition.

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    Nope, it's not in line. I'm going to say faulty programming (which I've dabbled in). It may have a slower processor, but it doesn't need a huge one. My old iPhone 5 runs as fast as my Galaxy, and that's due to optimization (which android basically doesn't have unless you have a Moto x). It's all about optimization. And yes, it does do location services with Google Now. It can also remind you things when you get to a certain location, etc. Basically, you have no argument
    For someone who has dabbled in programming you have a misconstrued opinion of optimizations. Google Now is possibly badly programmed on purpose on iOS. Same way Apple terribly installs iTunes on Windows. With a SSD, I think I can open CS5 Premiere faster than iTunes at times.
    What Garublador has said is 100% correct, and what you have said is also 100% correct albeit some what misunderstood I believe.
    The flagship android smartphones for the most part make little to no concessions about features, and services running in background while iOS has been heavily optimized (or one could say dumbed down) to run smoother, and conserve battery life while packing lower specs than most phones out there. This is done by reducing the workload extensively, at the price of many features which one can find handy.
    If you were to take Android, cut down all the extra features, and cut down multitasking and you would have a very fluid and fast experience.

    Again: A processor has a maximum throughput dictated by architecture, processor frequency, cache, etc. No amount of software optimization will make it process any faster or any more work.
    All you can do is minimize, work around, or remove workloads.
    No such thing as true optimization as in software programming allowing a 25 gigaflop capable processor to process 30 gigaflops of information.
    09-03-2013 11:37 AM
  25. FishenFool's Avatar
    Well, Web os was killed for a reason. Personally, haven't used it, but I'll take your word for it. I still prefer ios over it for the notifications either way
    Uh yeah because HP pulled the plug and the reason why is because Leo Apotheker totally screwed the pooch.

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    09-03-2013 12:37 PM
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