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  1. badbrad17's Avatar
    Where did you get that from my statement? I said "They have the most trouble-free phones, music players, and computers on the market, IMO. And their customer service is another quality product." How is that construed as selling a lot?
    And my statement, IMHO, is 100% correct.
    It's easy to be trouble free when you are using the same OS for 7 years. Innovation comes at a cost.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 09:47 PM
  2. pappy53's Avatar
    It's easy to be trouble free when you are using the same OS for 7 years. Innovation comes at a cost.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    So who has innovated more in that time period? Innovated, not threw features against the wall and see if they stick.
    09-23-2013 09:52 PM
  3. badbrad17's Avatar
    Okay, so my opinion is no good, but now we are to trust yours? Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I know that I would love to be able to build my own, but I don't have the know-how. I'm at the mercy of the manufacturers.
    I use both Windows and Macs at my design company. Both have their pluses, but Macs truly don't outlive PCs. This may have been the case 10 years ago but not now. Macs do last longer than a cheap crappy PC that costs $300 but one that costs $1000 will last just as long as a Mac that costs $2000. In fact I couldn't spend any more than $1200 on my Dell PC and it had better specs in every category. Plus I could still upgrade the HD and Video card if needed later. The iMac was waaaay more $ with far less specs and not upgradable in any way except ram. If I went to a desktop version of a Mac Pro I would have to go to serves with such stupid specs that it would run NASA. Of course for much less $ than the Mac Pro.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 09:56 PM
  4. badbrad17's Avatar
    So who has innovated more in that time period? Innovated, not threw features against the wall and see if they stick.
    Android by far.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 09:57 PM
  5. STARGATE's Avatar
    If y'all notice, only one person keeps on pushing the envelope on the same subject over and over and over again...
    Let's just try to let him be, I think he'll be happier at an ios forum but for some weird reason wants to stay here.

    Salud!
    :beer::beer:

    Sent From a Galaxy S4 Away!
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    09-23-2013 09:58 PM
  6. pappy53's Avatar
    Android by far.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    And how is that? What has Android innovated?
    09-23-2013 10:04 PM
  7. badbrad17's Avatar
    And how is that? What has Android innovated?
    To keep it short. Google Now.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 10:06 PM
  8. badbrad17's Avatar
    And how is that? What has Android innovated?
    Here's 100 more reasons

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 10:07 PM
  9. pappy53's Avatar
    To keep it short. Google Now.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    That's a very short list. How about 64-bit processor first on a smartphone? Dual 2-color flash?
    09-23-2013 10:11 PM
  10. badbrad17's Avatar
    That's a very short list. How about 64-bit processor first on a smartphone? Dual 2-color flash?
    Seriously? A faster processor and dual flash is innovation? These are hardware upgrades that don't even count on Android as real features. Photosphere is an innovative camera feature. The new Oppo phone has a rotating camera with dual flash. That's innovation but still not anything like Google Now.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 10:14 PM
  11. badbrad17's Avatar
    That's a very short list. How about 64-bit processor first on a smartphone? Dual 2-color flash?
    Also I beat you to the punch. You missed my other 100 features in my last post.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 10:18 PM
  12. pappy53's Avatar
    A faster processor and dual flash is innovation
    64-bit. Dual colors on the flash. Things that Android doesn't have. And with 9 million sales in the first 3 days, they must be doing something right.
    09-23-2013 10:19 PM
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    09-23-2013 10:25 PM
  14. Johnly's Avatar
    I am gald apple is doing well and with features android doesn't have. Same can be said for android. keeps us getting good development. I highly doubt the average user will be decoding two 720p movies on the iphone, but if one wants, one can.

    Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2
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    09-23-2013 10:27 PM
  15. msavic6's Avatar
    64-bit. Dual colors on the flash. Things that Android doesn't have. And with 9 million sales in the first 3 days, they must be doing something right.
    64 bit won't be benefical at all to the iPhone until they surpass the 4GB ram mark, so that should be roughly the time the iPhone 8S releases. For the time being, the 64 Bit aspect is marketing fluff and people like you are believing the hype.


    Selling 9 million devices in 3 days is nothing special when you have such a large user base that is blind too all other products besides Apple's. Lets see how the iPhone does in sales after a month or two, I predict poorly.

    Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk 4
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    09-23-2013 10:29 PM
  16. badbrad17's Avatar
    64-bit. Dual colors on the flash. Things that Android doesn't have. And with 9 million sales in the first 3 days, they must be doing something right.
    So what. That's not innovation. Android releases lots of new things when they release new phones too. This is standard practice. Give it a month and every phone will have this stuff. Like I said the Oppo just came out today and they have some of this stuff. It's not innovative. Computers will have 8 core processors soon too. It's not innovation it's just advancements in hardware.

    Siri is innovation. The App store was innovation. A camera made by Sony and a CPU made by Samsung isn't innovation. The iPhone is a great phone if you want old ideas that work well. Let's not dress up the old lady and try to sell her as a 20 year old because she ain't.

    Apple will sell lots of phones to lots of people wanting basic features that work. This doesn't mean they are innovative.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 10:32 PM
  17. return_0's Avatar
    Things that Android doesn't have.
    Wait... why are you counting 64-bit and such as innovation because Android phones don't have it, but you dismiss a 100-feature list of things iPhones don't have? Doesn't seem fair to me.

    And with 9 million sales in the first 3 days, they must be doing something right.
    So you'd say Samsung is also doing something right?
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    09-23-2013 10:58 PM
  18. badbrad17's Avatar
    I am gald apple is doing well and with features android doesn't have. Same can be said for android. keeps us getting good development. I highly doubt the average user will be decoding two 720p movies on the iphone, but if one wants, one can.

    Sent from my SCH-I605 using Tapatalk 2
    I like your post but what are these features Apple has that Android doesn't?

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 11:04 PM
  19. return_0's Avatar
    Siri is innovation.
    But not Apple's innovation. They acquired Siri. Sure, they added things of their own, but the idea wasn't theirs.

    The App store was innovation.
    It wasn't anything special. Cydia came first.
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    09-23-2013 11:04 PM
  20. Toochief's Avatar
    I have a new S4 that I will trade for 5s.

    Posted via Android Central App
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    09-23-2013 11:07 PM
  21. badbrad17's Avatar
    I have a new S4 that I will trade for 5s.

    Posted via Android Central App
    in your whopping 15 posts you also state you also have a GN and an HTC phone and a iPhone. Which is it? Plus you've entered 6 contests. Seems odd. Do you live under a bridge? Just checking.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    09-23-2013 11:14 PM
  22. badbrad17's Avatar
    But not Apple's innovation. They acquired Siri. Sure, they added things of their own, but the idea wasn't theirs.


    It wasn't anything special. Cydia came first.
    Exactly but they are still innovative things. I was just trying to give definition to something they would understand in order to give perspective. :thumbup:

    Sent from my Nexus 4
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    09-23-2013 11:17 PM
  23. Almeuit's Avatar
    Wait... why are you counting 64-bit and such as innovation because Android phones don't have it, but you dismiss a 100-feature list of things iPhones don't have? Doesn't seem fair to me.


    So you'd say Samsung is also doing something right?
    That's what biased people do. They ignore all other facts and harp on their few things over and over.

    Sent from my T-Mobile HTC One using AC Forums.
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    09-24-2013 05:58 AM
  24. STARGATE's Avatar
    I have a new S4 that I will trade for 5s.

    Posted via Android Central App
    LOL!
    in your whopping 15 posts you also state you also have a GN and an HTC phone and a iPhone. Which is it? Plus you've entered 6 contests. Seems odd. Do you live under a bridge? Just checking.

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    He made me laugh! :thumbup:

    Anyway, on his defense I like to say he's been here since February 2010.
    He probably had or still has those devices.
    Who knows?
    I still have my launch day Palm Prē, and still use it with WiFi from time to time! :thumbup:

    Sent From a Galaxy S4 Away!
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    09-24-2013 07:51 AM
  25. Farish's Avatar
    I could state that, IMO, acceleration due to gravity on Earth is 5 m/s^2, but that wouldn't change anything about gravity itself.
    Nobody noticed this? Maybe it is habit because of my past interest and studies in aerospace but it is 9.81 m/s2.

    Exactly but they are still innovative things. I was just trying to give definition to something they would understand in order to give perspective. :thumbup:

    Sent from my Nexus 4
    So who has innovated more in that time period? Innovated, not threw features against the wall and see if they stick.
    Wait... why are you counting 64-bit and such as innovation because Android phones don't have it, but you dismiss a 100-feature list of things iPhones don't have? Doesn't seem fair to me.


    So you'd say Samsung is also doing something right?


    Technology the 64 bit processor isn't new, but is new to mobile.
    The idea of using a 64 bit chip itself isn't innovated at all, because it has been used in other systems years ago like the one I like to point out the most.
    The N64 was a 64 bit system.

    Here is the innovation in the 5s.

    M7 processor to calculate motion.
    Not the fact that they used a 64 bit processor but how in their design they were able improve speed dramatically of processing dramatically without having to push the cpu ghz. The last 2 chips they haven't followed ARM at certain points at all.
    Their 64bit chip is beating up Baytrail and that is a very bad sign.
    The design of the touchid in its high ppi scanning is innovative, but the idea of a fingerprint scanner itself is not.

    Except none of these aren't earthshattering and in the end it is still kind of boring.
    Nobody is going to notice any real speed difference between the iPhone 5 and 5s except maybe in gaming.
    The fingerprint system has been broken.
    64bit is more of a future proof technology.

    We are in an era of blah from everybody right now until the next big thing comes along.
    09-24-2013 08:36 AM
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