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  1. pappy53's Avatar
    The problem here is that you have not really used the S4. So, not to be mean, but you can't begin to discuss lag on that device. Again, not to be insulting, but your conclusions seem to be totally based on what some friends told you.
    Actually, I can discuss it, as I have read hundreds of posts on this and other sites that are written by owners of the S4, and they are having lag issues. And, if I am reading correctly, you are saying that you had to optimize the S4 so there would be no lag. That shouldn't have to be done on a device that costs that much. I shouldn't have said that I have never had one, because I did get one and return it within the VZW 14 day period. I just don't consider less than 2 weeks as ownership. I returned it mainly for battery life, but it did have the lag issue. But that occurred before the update.
    09-27-2013 11:42 AM
  2. garublador's Avatar
    Actually, I can discuss it, as I have read hundreds of posts on this and other sites that are written by owners of the S4, and they are having lag issues. And, if I am reading correctly, you are saying that you had to optimize the S4 so there would be no lag. That shouldn't have to be done on a device that costs that much. I shouldn't have said that I have never had one, because I did get one and return it within the VZW 14 day period. I just don't consider less than 2 weeks as ownership. I returned it mainly for battery life, but it did have the lag issue. But that occurred before the update.
    So in short, you're saying he's right.
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    09-27-2013 11:53 AM
  3. Ichi_Bear's Avatar
    The Nova Prime launcher is pretty good.....

    Sent using a Samsung Galaxy S3 and Tapatalk 4

    I'm usually on Twitter @Ichi_Bear ;-)
    09-27-2013 11:59 AM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    So in short, you're saying he's right.
    No, I'm not. He said that my opinion was TOTALLY based on what friends told me, which isn't so. I did have one for about 10 days, and it had the lag along with the bad battery life, but I thought that the update would have fixed it. Obviously, it didn't, as the complaints are still going on. It just seems as though an S4 owner cannot use TW and not have lag issues. It shouldn't be that way. I have been using the Moto X, and it flies. It is truly the first Android phone that I have ever had with zero lag, and that is with a OEM skin. Why can't Samsung do that?
    09-27-2013 12:11 PM
  5. garublador's Avatar
    Obviously, it didn't, as the complaints are still going on
    But you haven't put two and two together and realized that people on forums, in this case you, are saying it's lagging after the update even though they don't have any direct experience with it? The update could very well have (and absolutely did in my case) fix the lag but it can't stop people who don't have the phone from saying there still is lag. If you were to cite, "I read it on an online forum" in any sort of situation where fact checking is at all important (published papers, news sources, court rooms, a high school English class, etc) you'd be laughed out of the building. It's just as good of a source as, "I just made it up myself."
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    09-27-2013 12:28 PM
  6. pappy53's Avatar
    But you haven't put two and two together and realized that people on forums, in this case you, are saying it's lagging after the update even though they don't have any direct experience with it? The update could very well have (and absolutely did in my case) fix the lag but it can't stop people who don't have the phone from saying there still is lag. If you were to cite, "I read it on an online forum" in any sort of situation where fact checking is at all important (published papers, news sources, court rooms, a high school English class, etc) you'd be laughed out of the building. It's just as good of a source as, "I just made it up myself."
    What I read on the forums and put credence in are actual S4 owners, not non-owners. That, plus personal friends of mine that actually have the phone, and still have lag after the update. I don't think that they would lie about it, plus I have seen it on their phones.
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    09-27-2013 12:43 PM
  7. Kilgore Trout's Avatar
    Actually, I can discuss it, as I have read hundreds of posts on this and other sites that are written by owners of the S4, and they are having lag issues. And, if I am reading correctly, you are saying that you had to optimize the S4 so there would be no lag. That shouldn't have to be done on a device that costs that much. I shouldn't have said that I have never had one, because I did get one and return it within the VZW 14 day period. I just don't consider less than 2 weeks as ownership. I returned it mainly for battery life, but it did have the lag issue. But that occurred before the update.

    The "optimizing" required shutting down some junk I wasn't using, and few other minor twinks. It took me maybe 10 minutes to do. If you are not willing to do some minor setting up like that, than I think an iPhone makes more sense than Android.

    And, btw, its not like iPhones don't need setting up to.

    In any case, I would suggest that you ought not to be definitely making statements about lag and how only "lucky" owners don't have lag when, in fact, you'd never used the latest version of the S4 interface and appear not to have done any real setup or housekeeping on the S4 you had for a grand total of two weeks.

    I, on the other hand, live with IOS and Android on a daily basis.

    Lag is a nonissue with either system.
    09-27-2013 04:09 PM
  8. Kilgore Trout's Avatar
    What I read on the forums and put credence in are actual S4 owners, not non-owners. That, plus personal friends of mine that actually have the phone, and still have lag after the update. I don't think that they would lie about it, plus I have seen it on their phones.
    I am an actual owner. I use my S4 every day. As I said, I also use various IOS devices every day as well (mostly my iPad, but also an iPhone 4).

    You are simply not correct about the lag. It isn't there.

    And, I'm still seeing that your source of info is what a friend told you and what you read on chatboards.

    In other words, hearsay rather than actual experience.

    What makes this debate between systems so sterile sometimes is that folk on both sides want to believe what they have is best while never having had any real experience with the alternative.

    That is true of the fanboys on both side of the discussion (and, I am specifically NOT calling you a fanboy - that is a general comment about all the nuts you read on the various blogs and ethusiast sites).
    09-27-2013 04:11 PM
  9. tarnak's Avatar
    My friend has an iPhone 4 and with IOS 7 and it takes me about 5 seconds to do something before it freezes and reboots. I've also seen the thing spaz out before where the whole screen will rotate from portrait to landscape very quickly before rebooting. I've seen similar issues on my friends iPhone 5. I'm rocking a galaxy s3 and I laugh at them when their phone screws up. A lot of them also hate the new look of IOS 7
    I am getting some issues with the music player starting songs over several times, have to go back out to home screen to clear it up and Siri will self activate for some reason once in a while. It was doing this before the IOS7, was hopping IOS7 would help, but no such luck.
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    09-27-2013 05:55 PM
  10. STARGATE's Avatar
    But you haven't put two and two together and realized that people on forums, in this case you, are saying it's lagging after the update even though they don't have any direct experience with it? The update could very well have (and absolutely did in my case) fix the lag but it can't stop people who don't have the phone from saying there still is lag. If you were to cite, "I read it on an online forum" in any sort of situation where fact checking is at all important (published papers, news sources, court rooms, a high school English class, etc) you'd be laughed out of the building. It's just as good of a source as, "I just made it up myself."
    My thoughts exactly!
    :thumbup:

    Sent From a Galaxy S4 Away!
    09-27-2013 07:07 PM
  11. DroidArmy's Avatar
    I am getting some issues with the music player starting songs over several times, have to go back out to home screen to clear it up and Siri will self activate for some reason once in a while. It was doing this before the IOS7, was hopping IOS7 would help, but no such luck.
    Apple has really dropped the ball without Steve behind the wheel. The amount of problems I experienced with IOS 6 when I had an iPhone and the amount of problems I'm seeing on my friends iPhones with IOS 7 is absolutely unacceptable and below the standard for Apple.
    09-27-2013 07:46 PM
  12. pappy53's Avatar
    You are simply not correct about the lag. It isn't there.
    You can only speak for yours.
    09-27-2013 08:25 PM
  13. GrooveRite's Avatar
    You can only speak for yours.
    And millions of others who have the phone!

    Remember, the majority of time people post anything on the internet is to report or find out why they are having problems with their device.
    09-27-2013 08:39 PM
  14. pappy53's Avatar
    And millions of others who have the phone!

    Remember, the majority of time people post anything on the internet is to report or find out why they are having problems with their device.
    So, I can't speak of lag because of limited on hand experience. But he has experience with one phone, and he can speak for millions? Lol!:P
    09-27-2013 08:50 PM
  15. GrooveRite's Avatar
    So, I can't speak of lag because of limited on hand experience. But he has experience with one phone, and he can speak for millions? Lol!:P
    No. All we're saying is that your "S4 is no good because of lag" holds no merit when there are millions of other who don't have it. You only see problems people are having online because the majority of time that is when people post about their device the most. Don't get it twisted Mr. Yankee fan!!
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    09-27-2013 08:59 PM
  16. pappy53's Avatar
    No. All we're saying is that your "S4 is no good because of lag" holds no merit when there are millions of other who don't have it. You only see problems people are having online because the majority of time that is when people post about their device the most. Don't get it twisted Mr. Yankee fan!!
    I have not said that the S4 is no good. You're the one twisting! But you said that he can speak for millions of people, did you not? I'm sure that millions don't have lag, or don't realize it, but you can bet that with all of the forums that filled up with the lag issue, that there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands that do have lag.
    09-27-2013 09:08 PM
  17. GrooveRite's Avatar
    I have not said that the S4 is no good. You're the one twisting! But you said that he can speak for millions of people, did you not? I'm sure that millions don't have lag, or don't realize it, but you can bet that with all of the forums that filled up with the lag issue, that there are thousands if not hundreds of thousands that do have lag.
    I stated that there are millions of others, not just him like you were pointing out. Yes, I agree, there must be hundreds of thousands of people with the issue considering the amount of S4's Samsung sold!
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    09-27-2013 09:28 PM
  18. ladyhaly's Avatar
    Do you seriously believe that, or just an Apple hater? I think the latter. Apple has put nothing but quality products on the market.
    Not sure about this... I honestly don't think you're right. It's the marketing that's keeping them floating. What is your definition of quality anyway?

    Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk 4
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    09-27-2013 09:43 PM
  19. pappy53's Avatar
    not just him like you were pointing out
    I said that he could only speak for his, not that he was the only one. Read, read, read!
    Yes, I agree, there must be hundreds of thousands of people with the issue considering the amount of S4's Samsung sold!
    And that is acceptable? Samsung should have gotten it right before release, or at least closer to right, before they released the phone, IMHO. But it is a great phone, once the issue is resolved.
    09-27-2013 09:47 PM
  20. pappy53's Avatar
    quality [kwol-i-tee] Show IPA noun, plural qualities,
    high grade; superiority; excellence

    " It's the marketing that's keeping them floating."
    That would be Samsung.
    09-27-2013 09:53 PM
  21. FishenFool's Avatar
    I said that he could only speak for his, not that he was the only one. Read, read, read!
    And we all notice that you seem to read things in these forums thru your Apple purple kool-aid glasses and only see what you want. Namely only good things about Apple and negative things for everyone else.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using AC Forums mobile app
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    09-27-2013 09:59 PM
  22. pappy53's Avatar
    And we all notice that you seem to read things in these forums thru your Apple purple kool-aid glasses and only see what you want. Namely only good things about Apple and negative things for everyone else.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using AC Forums mobile app
    As you typed this, you were looking through your fandroid glasses, so what is the difference? Apple has it's faults, too. But I'm not an Apple fanboy, as I have been using a Moto X. And Samsung could take some lessons from Motorola, as far as fluidity, smoothness, speed, and overall performance goes.
    09-27-2013 10:08 PM
  23. FishenFool's Avatar
    As you typed this, you were looking through your fandroid glasses, so what is the difference? Apple has it's faults, too. But I'm not an Apple fanboy, as I have been using a Moto X. And Samsung could take some lessons from Motorola, as far as fluidity, smoothness, speed, and overall performance goes.
    Difference being is that we are in Android forums and you are taking every opportunity to rah rah apple and downplay everyone else. I am not in Apple forums going rah rah Android and being negative to Apple.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using AC Forums mobile app
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    09-27-2013 11:28 PM
  24. STARGATE's Avatar
    Difference being is that we are in Android forums and you are taking every opportunity to rah rah apple and downplay everyone else. I am not in Apple forums going rah rah Android and being negative to Apple.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I747 using AC Forums mobile app
    This has been my point all along! :thumbup:
    Unfortunately, he just doesn't get it...:sly:

    Sent From a Galaxy S4 Away!
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    09-27-2013 11:37 PM
  25. Kilgore Trout's Avatar
    You can only speak for yours.
    That is a good argument only if you believe that my S4 is somehow different from ever other s4 on the planet. But, so you know, we have three of them in my house. Zero lag on any of them.

    All are on VZW, so maybe the GSM versions are different. However, it is noteworthy that the other two are stock Touchwhiz (my phone has third party replacements for most stuff).

    And, if you are going to play that " you can only speak for the phone you own" card, I wonder why you are trying to convince us you know all about a phone you don't happen to have yourself? .
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    09-27-2013 11:45 PM
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