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  1. Central n ohios best's Avatar
    I really think that Apple held off on LTE till they could employ it without killing the battery, which is what was happening on the LTE Android (except for the Maxx). Once they got it optimized, they implemented it.
    And yes, other phones have surpassed it in processor cores and clock speed, but only since the new Motorola phones has it been realized that optimization of hardware and software is the key. This is something that Apple has been doing for years, and I am glad to see that they have taken a page out of Apple's book. The Moto X will probably be my next phone, if the camera improves.
    Plus its plenty of other phones that last with LTE.

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    08-31-2013 11:35 PM
  2. pappy53's Avatar
    You should probably go look at those pictures again then. They pretty much explain everything. Not sure what you aren't getting about them.
    They are only about sharing, which I have already addressed.
    09-01-2013 07:21 AM
  3. pappy53's Avatar
    Have you heard of the Nexus 4? Or any other non-CDMA Nexus phone, for that matter? They get immediate updates...
    And they are the only ones. A one to two year old non-Nexus phone is lucky to get any updates. Basically, any iPhone ever made is still getting updates, although they may be partial updates because of hardware limitations.
    09-01-2013 07:28 AM
  4. pappy53's Avatar
    Plus its plenty of other phones that last with LTE.

    Sent from my T-Mobile LG Escape using Tapatalk 2
    My point was basically about optimization, which Android has never done until Motorola has recently done it. I think that is one of the biggest reasons that an iPhone, with a 1440 mah battery, gets as good as or better battery life than other phones with much larger batteries. It is also the reason why the Moto X performance is as good as, or better, than the high-end Androids, IMHO.
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    09-01-2013 07:34 AM
  5. FishenFool's Avatar
    Yeah, I missed those phones. But, like you said, that is a few phones out of hundreds that have been released, whereas you will hardly ever see a laggy iPhone. Give Apple credit, as they have gotten it right for several years.
    There are lots of people that would say they have gotten it wrong for several years.

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    09-01-2013 10:22 AM
  6. DroidArmy's Avatar
    And they are the only ones. A one to two year old non-Nexus phone is lucky to get any updates. Basically, any iPhone ever made is still getting updates, although they may be partial updates because of hardware limitations.
    Yes, but you are forgetting about completely custom. Since Android is open sourced, custom roms are available. If you have a popular one installed (such as cyanogenmod or carbon), you are guaranteed fast and smooth updates to the latest os. Granted not many people run custom, but that doesn't mean you can't get the updates you want If you try. Really, the only thing the iPhone has that trumps android (except for the Moto x) is superior optimization. However, I'm sure that will change.
    09-01-2013 12:04 PM
  7. pappy53's Avatar
    There are lots of people that would say they have gotten it wrong for several years.

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    And vice-versa.

    Watch the September announcement and release, and it will show how many think they got it right.
    09-01-2013 12:30 PM
  8. shoii's Avatar
    And vice-versa.

    Watch the September announcement and release, and it will show how many think they got it right.
    People are addicted to apple, some of them literally worship their products like a religion. Apple could release the iTurd and people will faint of excitement. They are absolutely blinded.
    09-01-2013 01:23 PM
  9. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    People are addicted to apple, some of them literally worship their products like a religion. Apple could release the iTurd and people will faint of excitement. They are absolutely blinded.
    The same could be said about some android fans. It really just depends on what is best for that users need. If someone feels that iPhone produces the best product that suits their needs, whether for reliability, bundles, user friendly interface, etc, they tend to develop a brand recognition and appreciation. Especially with so many electronic products in the market; phones, casters, laptops, desktops, music players, hotspots, etc. It's actually a really good marketing ploy. It isn't quite as easy for android, since it is open platform and there is such a vast variety of manufacturers. But you can start to see brand recognition and appreciation in the Samsung line, some HTC, and most recently in the LG line. As more manufacturers dedicate themselves to one line of devices, they will develop a more loyal fan base as users find what they need in that line of devices.
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    09-01-2013 01:45 PM
  10. pappy53's Avatar
    People are addicted to apple, some of them literally worship their products like a religion. Apple could release the iTurd and people will faint of excitement. They are absolutely blinded.
    Pot.Meet.Kettle.
    Android users are getting just as bad now. Personally, I like both platforms, and I use what feels best for my use. Basically, I e-mail, text, and make phone calls, and nothing does those things any better than an iPhone. But there might be a Moto X in my future.
    09-01-2013 02:07 PM
  11. planoman's Avatar
    Pot.Meet.Kettle.
    Android users are getting just as bad now. Personally, I like both platforms, and I use what feels best for my use. Basically, I e-mail, text, and make phone calls, and nothing does those things any better than an iPhone. But there might be a Moto X in my future.
    Maybe not even enthusiasm for their platform but rather a hatred of all things apple. Kind of silly actually. Spend your money on what you want and allow others the same without silly insults.
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    09-01-2013 02:11 PM
  12. shoii's Avatar
    The same could be said about some android fans. It really just depends on what is best for that users need. If someone feels that iPhone produces the best product that suits their needs, whether for reliability, bundles, user friendly interface, etc, they tend to develop a brand recognition and appreciation. Especially with so many electronic products in the market; phones, casters, laptops, desktops, music players, hotspots, etc. It's actually a really good marketing ploy. It isn't quite as easy for android, since it is open platform and there is such a vast variety of manufacturers. But you can start to see brand recognition and appreciation in the Samsung line, some HTC, and most recently in the LG line. As more manufacturers dedicate themselves to one line of devices, they will develop a more loyal fan base as users find what they need in that line of devices.
    What? There will always be "addicted fans" for any leading product but don't compare Apple to Android fans. From what I've seen on android central even if most of us defend our phone, we do it with facts and try to be as reazonable as possible. Of couse there are always exceptions. We don't state the fact that our product is Apple and therefore it's better that anything you own just because of the name. We debate software, hardware, camera, battery, updates, ram, cores, display, screen buttons, physical home buttons, battery, infrared, storage, microphone, speakers and way more. Try to argue with an Apple fan and they will say, oh its Apple so you know, its obviously better. And I wasn't even bashing Apple they have great products, but obviously I prefer Android.

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    09-01-2013 02:26 PM
  13. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    What? There will always be "addicted fans" for any leading product but don't compare Apple to Android fans. From what I've seen on android central even if most of us defend our phone, we do it with facts and try to be as reazonable as possible. Of couse there are always exceptions. We don't state the fact that our product is Apple and therefore it better that anything you own just because of the name. We debate software, hardware, camera, battery, updates, ram, cores, display, screen buttons, physical home buttons, battery, infrared, storage, microphone, speakers and way more. Try to argue with an Apple fan and they will say, oh its Apple so you know, its obviously better. And I wasn't even bashing Apple they have great products, but obviously I prefer Android.

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    Let me direct you back to my first sentence, seventh word. "Some." That is the deciding factor. There are also many, many, iPhone users who don't "blindly" defend apple. The small majority that do are about equal to the small majority of android users who do. Like you said, there are always exceptions. It was those exceptions I was speaking of. What you are speaking of is brand recognition, which is not the same as device or technological recognition, ie, what most android fans argue about per you. We were speaking about brand recognition.
    09-01-2013 03:44 PM
  14. DroidArmy's Avatar
    What? There will always be "addicted fans" for any leading product but don't compare Apple to Android fans. From what I've seen on android central even if most of us defend our phone, we do it with facts and try to be as reazonable as possible. Of couse there are always exceptions. We don't state the fact that our product is Apple and therefore it better that anything you own just because of the name. We debate software, hardware, camera, battery, updates, ram, cores, display, screen buttons, physical home buttons, battery, infrared, storage, microphone, speakers and way more. Try to argue with an Apple fan and they will say, oh its Apple so you know, its obviously better. And I wasn't even bashing Apple they have great products, but obviously I prefer Android.

    Posted via Android Central App
    I remember arguing with a friend who has an iPhone 5 about which of our phones was better. I use an s3 (although I usually hang out in the s4 forums), and all he had to say to prove his device was better was that it was apple and it had a retina display. Of course I backed the s3 up by saying "Well, sure it's apple, but that doesn't make it the best phone on the market. Your iPhone has less processing power than my phone, a smaller screen, washed out colors, less features, limited customization and most importantly a lighting port that Apple has made just to be Apple and screw with the universal micro USB plan that is trying to be implemented." after I said that, all he had to say was "screw you! Apple designs the best products on earth, Samsung keeps stealing things from them! They even stole the CONTROL CENTER from us!". I don't speak to him anymore obviously, that control center thing made him sound so stupid
    09-01-2013 03:46 PM
  15. DroidArmy's Avatar
    Let me direct you back to my first sentence, seventh word. "Some." That is the deciding factor. There are also many, many, iPhone users who don't "blindly" defend apple. The small majority that do are about equal to the small majority of android users who do. Like you said, there are always exceptions. It was those exceptions I was speaking of. What you are speaking of is brand recognition, which is not the same as device or technological recognition, ie, what most android fans argue about per you. We were speaking about brand recognition.
    That's not necessarily true. In my experience, many many more people blindly defend Apple. They don't even have the proper specs to back it up. You see, apple has a cult basically. I remember watching one of the wwdc videos and I remember somebody saying "I recently just bought a mac and love it. The features, the hardware, everything is amazing. I'm glad to be apart of this ecosystem and great community." he referred to it as a community, that screams cult. And honestly, that's all apple is, a overhyped cult with devoted followers.
    09-01-2013 03:53 PM
  16. pappy53's Avatar
    And honestly, that's all apple is, a overhyped cult with devoted followers.
    With top of the line phones, music players, and computers. Yep, definitely overhyped./s
    09-01-2013 04:14 PM
  17. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    That's not necessarily true. In my experience, many many more people blindly defend Apple. They don't even have the proper specs to back it up. You see, apple has a cult basically. I remember watching one of the wwdc videos and I remember somebody saying "I recently just bought a mac and love it. The features, the hardware, everything is amazing. I'm glad to be apart of this ecosystem and great community." he referred to it as a community, that screams cult. And honestly, that's all apple is, a overhyped cult with devoted followers.
    I refer to android as a community quite frequently lol. Does that make android have a cult as well? A community is a group of people with a common denominator, whether it be likes, dislikes, operating system..



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    09-01-2013 04:16 PM
  18. physioprof's Avatar
    The one single thing that I miss from my iOS devices that I no longer ever use since the switch to Android is the lightning connector. It is a vastly better design than micro-usb, and a really beautiful piece of engineering.

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    09-01-2013 04:22 PM
  19. Haalcyon's Avatar
    What? There will always be "addicted fans" for any leading product but don't compare Apple to Android fans. From what I've seen on android central even if most of us defend our phone, we do it with facts and try to be as reazonable as possible. Of couse there are always exceptions. We don't state the fact that our product is Apple and therefore it better that anything you own just because of the name. We debate software, hardware, camera, battery, updates, ram, cores, display, screen buttons, physical home buttons, battery, infrared, storage, microphone, speakers and way more. Try to argue with an Apple fan and they will say, oh its Apple so you know, its obviously better. And I wasn't even bashing Apple they have great products, but obviously I prefer Android.

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    This could be because Apple users seem to tend to be less into their hardware than android folks. Some Android folks actually feel the need to "defend" their phone should someone offer a criticism. Don't beleive that? Suggest to an HTC One owner that there their phone is not all metal and watch what happens. I'm not sure the majority of iOS users feel quite so strong about their devices, but I'm surethere are some that do.

    Though my phone is not part of me, it's just a tool I use and a source of entertainment, I do enjoy the gadgetry and I'm an enthusiast.

    Sent from my humble Note 8.0 LTE
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    09-01-2013 04:32 PM
  20. DroidArmy's Avatar
    With top of the line phones, music players, and computers. Yep, definitely overhyped./s
    Well pappy, you're an ifan. So that's your opinion. In the real world, looking at specs, usability, options, and quality, that's not the case anymore. I'll just use the HTC one as an example, my point is made. However, I will give you the computers, mac is my computer of choice.
    09-01-2013 04:32 PM
  21. DroidArmy's Avatar
    I refer to android as a community quite frequently lol. Does that make android have a cult as well? A community is a group of people with a common denominator, whether it be likes, dislikes, operating system..



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    Yes, it does make it a cult as well. A very large and intelligent cult
    09-01-2013 04:33 PM
  22. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    Yes, it does make it a cult as well. A very large and intelligent cult
    I guess we would be a cult who more appreciates technicality lol. I can appreciate that there is a certain experience that comes along with apple, and for some people, it's that experience that they enjoy. Would I ever switch to iPhone? No, not until the hardware matches the hype. But that's just my personal preference. I respect any one else's personal preference as well.
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    09-01-2013 04:39 PM
  23. Jennifer Stough's Avatar
    This could be because Apple users seem to tend to be less into their hardware than android folks. Some Android folks actually feel the need to "defend" their phone should someone offer a criticism. Don't beleive that? Suggest to an HTC One owner that there their phone is not all metal and watch what happens. I'm not sure the majority of iOS users feel quite so strong about their devices, but I'm surethere are some that do.

    Though my phone is not part of me, it's just a tool I use and a source of entertainment, I do enjoy the gadgetry and I'm an enthusiast.

    Sent from my humble Note 8.0 LTE
    Well, anyone who would feel the need to "defend" (read, defend without facts or aggressively) the HTC one's build material and quality if it were questioned would most likely be unaware that the speaker grills are not a part of the unibody design, and that the plastic injections are there to accommodate the radios. Most HTC one owners, atleast those that frequent the forums or research before a purchase, are already aware of that. So I would assume it would be someone who doesn't own it, and is just defending it because if it's hype, or does own it, and bought it for the hype.
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    09-01-2013 04:46 PM
  24. DroidArmy's Avatar
    I guess we would be a cult who more appreciates technicality lol. I can appreciate that there is a certain experience that comes along with apple, and for some people, it's that experience that they enjoy. Would I ever switch to iPhone? No, not until the hardware matches the hype. But that's just my personal preference. I respect any one else's personal preference as well.
    I used to be a huge iPhone fan, and I laughed at anybody carrying a note or a galaxy s3 because I thought the phones were huge. Now, that I've used one for a little over a year, I can appreciate the extra screen size. Picking up my friends 4s feels like I'm grabbing a Fisher Price toy for a kid, it just feels tiny. I love the apple experience, hell I even paid to get the ios betas, but until apple can up the specs and get a screen that's at least 4.8 inches I won't be heading back. It's a sad thing really, they need to rethink their "one size fits all" idea.
    09-01-2013 04:52 PM
  25. Shanicenicolle's Avatar
    The one single thing that I miss from my iOS devices that I no longer ever use since the switch to Android is the lightning connector. It is a vastly better design than micro-usb, and a really beautiful piece of engineering.

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    I agree whole heartedly with this. I was mad about the change at first but it really is quite impressive. No fumbling in the dark and the charging speed it pretty awesome.

    I think the one thing I miss is being able to tap the status bar and scroll to the top of the page Lol still loving my s4 tho

    Sent from my *PURPLE* Galaxy S4
    09-01-2013 04:52 PM
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