it still amazes me that this thread is still going, i couldnt care less if people think the iphone is better than my phone, i didnt pay an iphone price for my phone that will do the same things an iphone can do, if people get so upset about which phone is better how shallow does that make them,one solution buy one of each, and then go knock yourselves out, at the end of the day there just bloody phones a gadget at best, none of this is exactly life changing is it, if a guy can buy an iphone 5s for the same price or better than an s4 then i will admit hes got a better phone than me, until then they are all fighting a loosing battle, on price alone, doesnt matter what the iphone has got init, for the price difference, the iphone and all other apple products, should be way ahead of any other manufacturers product, sorry , but i dont see it, so to me there argument is already floored, end of story, why would i pay a premium price for an apple product, that doesnt deliver anything that other products dont deliver at a cheaper price