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  1. LegalAmerican's Avatar
    I am increasingly interested in trying the iPhone. I want to see if these apps really are as amazing as everyone says they are because I haven't tried them except on family members devices. I will however never go back to a 4" screen for any reason. If Apple released a 4.5" screen i'd give it a shot I think. I'd love the build quality and the consistency. I am worried that i'd hate the lack of Google Innovation however. I also would never write off another platform entirely because I don't know what they'll come out with in the future. OP mentioned that he's given Android a shot for the last time. I would never be able to make that claim because to me, features, innovation, and quality change and fluctuate way too much for me to ever make such a bold claim. Who knows what Android will do with Hangouts in the future? Google is involved in EVERYTHING. Phones, search, maps, education, internet service, etc. I feel that because of their wide reaching involvment, the very best is yet to come from them. At least I hope, because i'd miss so much if I ever decide to switch to Apple.
    09-19-2013 03:50 PM
  2. hodan's Avatar
    After approximately four months with the GS4 on Verizon, I'll be picking up an iPhone 5s on Friday (fingers crossed that I can even find one). I've dabbled in Android for the very last time and consider it to be the clearly inferior platform. Here's why:

    1. The thing I do most on my phone is text friends and family, with most everything else being a distant second. iMessage on iOS has such a huge advantage over the basic SMS texting available on Android that it isn't even funny, especially when you're sending pictures or video which I frequently do. Add to that the effortless synching of iMessages across the entire Apple ecosystem (from Mac to iPhone to iPad, etc.), and Android simply can't compete. Plus, when you get right down to it, I hardly know anyone who doesn't have an iPhone so everyone uses iMessage.

    2. The thing I do second most on my phone is listen to music. Again, Apple has a huge advantage over Android in that Apple invented the iPod and continues to produce the best music player by a wide margin. Nothing I've tried on Android (and I've tried ALL the 3rd party music apps) comes close. From displaying album artwork to displaying alerts during music playback (especially in the lock screen mode) to synching everything effortlessly with iTunes - the iPhone continues to be the leader for music lovers IMO.

    3. The thing I do third most is use social media apps and various other sports/news apps. Almost to an app, the iOS version is better in that it crashes far less, is more fluid and intuitive, and almost always uploads superior pictures, despite the pictures taken by the GS4 being huge and vibrant. I have no idea why that last gripe is the way it is, but that's simply been my experience.

    4. Yes, the screen size of the iPhone leaves a lot to be desired. There's no avoiding that. However, the large size of the GS4's screen is really hampered by almost zero visibility in sunlight and poor touch responsiveness when compared to the iPhone. Unless you can palm a basketball, you'll probably need to use two hands on the GS4 and other giant Android phones. However, if you don't touch what you want exactly spot-on (with the phone braced with one hand and your free hand doing the selecting), the screen simply isn't as responsive and accurate to the touch as the iPhone. Don't even get me started on the poor screen sensitivity's effect on text entry and lousy auto-correct and auto-prediction...

    5. Lastly, there is no equivalent of the Find My Friends app on Android. When you have family, friends, children, and others all scattered around, it is an absolutely invaluable tool for when you need to keep tabs on someone, like during car/air/train travel, at sporting events/concerts and other large gatherings of people, or just on the commute home. Again, Android can't compete. Although the Google Latitude app existed briefly, if you enabled location reporting so that the app functioned like FMF, the phone's battery would be dead before you set it down.

    There are definitely things about the Android that are great and that I will miss. Full-featured Google Search (and accompanying widget) are great, as are Google Maps, the GMail App, snappy camera, and fully customizable user interface via 3rd party launchers. However, for what I use a phone for most, Android is still playing catch-up and probably always will be.

    The analogy I'd use here is this - iOS/Apple : Android/Samsung/HTC :: Ferrari : Hennessey Motorsports. Yes, the super-tuned Hennessey sports car (take your pick of which one) can match the performance of and typically exceed that of a Ferrari on the racetrack. However, the Ferrari can't be touched in terms of overall taste, fit, finish, and class.
    Not a bad post actually, and I can appreciate your points. You nailed the most obvious differences in platform and services. However, your analogy is off. Ferrari's aren't particularly known for their refinement. They're more like wild stallions. I'd say the difference is more analagous to a Porsche 911 (iPhone) and the Corvette (Android).
    09-19-2013 04:26 PM
  3. anon6136263's Avatar
    I am increasingly interested in trying the iPhone. I want to see if these apps really are as amazing as everyone says they are because I haven't tried them except on family members devices. I will however never go back to a 4" screen for any reason. If Apple released a 4.5" screen i'd give it a shot I think. I'd love the build quality and the consistency. I am worried that i'd hate the lack of Google Innovation however. I also would never write off another platform entirely because I don't know what they'll come out with in the future. OP mentioned that he's given Android a shot for the last time. I would never be able to make that claim because to me, features, innovation, and quality change and fluctuate way too much for me to ever make such a bold claim. Who knows what Android will do with Hangouts in the future? Google is involved in EVERYTHING. Phones, search, maps, education, internet service, etc. I feel that because of their wide reaching involvment, the very best is yet to come from them. At least I hope, because i'd miss so much if I ever decide to switch to Apple.
    Being a iPhone user since 2007 and switching to the S4 back in July, I have to say, of all of the things I miss from iOS is the app quality/design. I'm not sure if Apple keeps devs on the ball, but their app quality is MUCH better than Android. So much so, I'm thinking about switching back (I really love the bigger screen and the Android sharing capabilities, however). Just look at how many apps were ready to go for the iOS 7 redesign - all the major apps too (Facebook, Twitter, New York Times, Evernote, etc.), not just one offs. I just don't see something like that happening with Android, if they decided to go for a redesign for Android 4.4 or 5.0. I still don't understand why Android still allows the time to be show nice and big on the lock screen AND show the time in the status bar at the same time. iOS 7 got this part right.
    09-19-2013 04:32 PM
  4. Farish's Avatar
    Being a iPhone user since 2007 and switching to the S4 back in July, I have to say, of all of the things I miss from iOS is the app quality/design. I'm not sure if Apple keeps devs on the ball, but their app quality is MUCH better than Android. So much so, I'm thinking about switching back (I really love the bigger screen and the Android sharing capabilities, however). Just look at how many apps were ready to go for the iOS 7 redesign - all the major apps too (Facebook, Twitter, New York Times, Evernote, etc.), not just one offs. I just don't see something like that happening with Android, if they decided to go for a redesign for Android 4.4 or 5.0. I still don't understand why Android still allows the time to be show nice and big on the lock screen AND show the time in the status bar at the same time. iOS 7 got this part right.
    Apple has stricter requirements and guidelines compared to Android. For example a lot of game developers had to tell Apple that their 8bit style games were intended that way otherwise Apple would reject them based on their looks. Android really doesn't push that at all.
    09-19-2013 05:08 PM
  5. Haalcyon's Avatar
    There's nothing wrong with deciding the iPhone and iOS is a better fit for you. My wife, daughter, mother, and mother-in-law. prefer the iphone and I have a couple coworkers that do too. As long as their choice doesn't affect my ability to get what works best for me we're all good.


    Note 8.0
    09-19-2013 05:41 PM
  6. Blackbeagle's Avatar
    I do free computer seminars at a senior living center every month. The number one question I get asked is, "Should I get an Iphone or Android". My answer is simple:

    Iphone if you're an entry level smartphone user. That's it.

    Android if you want the latest technology BUT you'll have to live with some of the bugs, kinks, and other issues. It's like driving an ultra luxury car with buttons, GPS, Nav, BT, etc. There are a lot more to learn and a lot more frustration built in

    But the OP listed the things important to him. I see no problem with going back to an Iphone. Frankly, I would never own one but I have my own reasons. But I can be objective enough that I can recommend Iphones to many people.
    09-19-2013 05:47 PM
  7. Blackbeagle's Avatar
    Not a bad post actually, and I can appreciate your points. You nailed the most obvious differences in platform and services. However, your analogy is off. Ferrari's aren't particularly known for their refinement. They're more like wild stallions. I'd say the difference is more analagous to a Porsche 911 (iPhone) and the Corvette (Android).

    I think it's this:

    IOS= Lexus
    Android= Mercedes S-Class
    09-19-2013 05:50 PM
  8. pappy53's Avatar
    I think it's this:

    IOS= Lexus
    Android= Mercedes S-Class
    And we know which one of those is most dependable, and trouble-free.
    09-19-2013 05:57 PM
  9. tarnak's Avatar
    If your new Iphone has IOS6, don't upgrade to IOS7, you may be very disappointed. I want to get IOS6 installed back on mine, IOS7 is ugly and slow conspired to IOS6. Its really slow now compared to my GS4.
    09-19-2013 06:05 PM
  10. Farish's Avatar
    If your new Iphone has IOS6, don't upgrade to IOS7, you may be very disappointed. I want to get IOS6 installed back on mine, IOS7 is ugly and slow conspired to IOS6. Its really slow now compared to my GS4.
    All new iPhones have IOS7, no downgrading possible. I have IOS7 on my iPad Mini and it runs pretty smooth, you may need to backup and do a clean install if that isn't what you did.
    09-19-2013 06:12 PM
  11. Blackbeagle's Avatar
    And we know which one of those is most dependable, and trouble-free.
    Correct. Lexus for dependability but S-class for the technology.
    09-19-2013 07:41 PM
  12. Shanicenicolle's Avatar
    All new iPhones have IOS7, no downgrading possible. I have IOS7 on my iPad Mini and it runs pretty smooth, you may need to backup and do a clean install if that isn't what you did.
    They aren't . The iphones that were already in stock weren't opened and upgraded.

    Sent from my *PURPLE* Galaxy S4
    09-19-2013 07:43 PM
  13. Haalcyon's Avatar
    Correct. Lexus for dependability but S-class for the technology.
    I'll take a Lexus IS-F over the S-Class any day but no thanks to an iPhone. The screen would be claustrophic compared to what I've grown accustomed to.


    S IV
    09-19-2013 07:55 PM
  14. Farish's Avatar
    They aren't . The iphones that were already in stock weren't opened and upgraded.

    Sent from my *PURPLE* Galaxy S4
    Talking about the two new models coming. When he said new I was really thinking new

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using AC Forums mobile app
    09-19-2013 08:27 PM
  15. Nemephosis's Avatar
    What the hell is wrong with some of you people that you can't even handle a well thought out, objective post saying why he does not care for Android? Jesus. Worry more about your own lives and less of others.

    Personally, as someone who used an iPhone for three and a half years myself, I moved to Android because I was tired of being told basically "You use this email app because we said so". Thre is no other app you can use to replace iMessage, you use iMessage and that's it. I got tired of (over)paying for a phone that couldn't do what phones from 2009 could do. Seriously, Apple is smoking some good crack pricing their phones the way they have this year. It took Apple seven years to add a friggin' flashlight. If I have to give up a little spit and polish in my apps to be able to do whatever I please with my phone, well, that is a tradeoff I was willing to make.

    At the end of the day though, they both do the same thing. You can get apps, play games, use a map, get email, surf the internet and take pictures with them. If someone prefers a platform you don't, what's wrong with that? So many Goddamn intolerat people in this world ready to just EXPLODE over nothing, to the point they have to get infractions over it. That is pathetic.
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    09-19-2013 08:39 PM
  16. Shanicenicolle's Avatar
    What the hell is wrong with some of you people that you can't even handle a well thought out, objective post saying why he does not care for Android? Jesus. Worry more about your own lives and less of others.

    Personally, as someone who used an iPhone for three and a half years myself, I moved to Android because I was tired of being told basically "You use this email app because we said so". Thre is no other app you can use to replace iMessage, you use iMessage and that's it. I got tired of (over)paying for a phone that couldn't do what phones from 2009 could do. Seriously, Apple is smoking some good crack pricing their phones the way they have this year. It took Apple seven years to add a friggin' flashlight. If I have to give up a little spit and polish in my apps to be able to do whatever I please with my phone, well, that is a tradeoff I was willing to make.

    At the end of the day though, they both do the same thing. You can get apps, play games, use a map, get email, surf the internet and take pictures with them. If someone prefers a platform you don't, what's wrong with that? So many Goddamn intolerat people in this world ready to just EXPLODE over nothing, to the point they have to get infractions over it. That is pathetic.
    Take a deep breath, lol.

    Sent from my *PURPLE* Galaxy S4
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    09-20-2013 03:33 AM
  17. Shanicenicolle's Avatar
    Talking about the two new models coming. When he said new I was really thinking new

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using AC Forums mobile app
    Gotcha

    Sent from my *PURPLE* Galaxy S4
    09-20-2013 03:34 AM
  18. puch96's Avatar
    In my opinion, Android has more options when it comes to user interface. An i-phone cannot do all the things an Android phone can. But Android can do above and beyond the things that i-Phone iOS does. iOS was lagging behind until iOS 7. And still, it's like they copied android features that were in place long ago and still has not changed much.
    I personally like iPhone for what they are and would not have any issues if I use one. But personally, I got used to Android and it would be difficult for me to go to iOS due to it's limitations.
    09-20-2013 10:01 AM
  19. gusar2000's Avatar
    After approximately four months with the GS4 on Verizon, I'll be picking up an iPhone 5s on Friday (fingers crossed that I can even find one). I've dabbled in Android for the very last time and consider it to be the clearly inferior platform. Here's why:

    1. The thing I do most on my phone is text friends and family, with most everything else being a distant second. iMessage on iOS has such a huge advantage over the basic SMS texting available on Android that it isn't even funny, especially when you're sending pictures or video which I frequently do. Add to that the effortless synching of iMessages across the entire Apple ecosystem (from Mac to iPhone to iPad, etc.), and Android simply can't compete. Plus, when you get right down to it, I hardly know anyone who doesn't have an iPhone so everyone uses iMessage.

    2. The thing I do second most on my phone is listen to music. Again, Apple has a huge advantage over Android in that Apple invented the iPod and continues to produce the best music player by a wide margin. Nothing I've tried on Android (and I've tried ALL the 3rd party music apps) comes close. From displaying album artwork to displaying alerts during music playback (especially in the lock screen mode) to synching everything effortlessly with iTunes - the iPhone continues to be the leader for music lovers IMO.

    3. The thing I do third most is use social media apps and various other sports/news apps. Almost to an app, the iOS version is better in that it crashes far less, is more fluid and intuitive, and almost always uploads superior pictures, despite the pictures taken by the GS4 being huge and vibrant. I have no idea why that last gripe is the way it is, but that's simply been my experience.

    4. Yes, the screen size of the iPhone leaves a lot to be desired. There's no avoiding that. However, the large size of the GS4's screen is really hampered by almost zero visibility in sunlight and poor touch responsiveness when compared to the iPhone. Unless you can palm a basketball, you'll probably need to use two hands on the GS4 and other giant Android phones. However, if you don't touch what you want exactly spot-on (with the phone braced with one hand and your free hand doing the selecting), the screen simply isn't as responsive and accurate to the touch as the iPhone. Don't even get me started on the poor screen sensitivity's effect on text entry and lousy auto-correct and auto-prediction...

    5. Lastly, there is no equivalent of the Find My Friends app on Android. When you have family, friends, children, and others all scattered around, it is an absolutely invaluable tool for when you need to keep tabs on someone, like during car/air/train travel, at sporting events/concerts and other large gatherings of people, or just on the commute home. Again, Android can't compete. Although the Google Latitude app existed briefly, if you enabled location reporting so that the app functioned like FMF, the phone's battery would be dead before you set it down.

    There are definitely things about the Android that are great and that I will miss. Full-featured Google Search (and accompanying widget) are great, as are Google Maps, the GMail App, snappy camera, and fully customizable user interface via 3rd party launchers. However, for what I use a phone for most, Android is still playing catch-up and probably always will be.

    The analogy I'd use here is this - iOS/Apple : Android/Samsung/HTC :: Ferrari : Hennessey Motorsports. Yes, the super-tuned Hennessey sports car (take your pick of which one) can match the performance of and typically exceed that of a Ferrari on the racetrack. However, the Ferrari can't be touched in terms of overall taste, fit, finish, and class.
    Why do you need latest, most expensive IPhone for 1, 2, 3 and 5?
    Texting... To buy $700-900 phone to mostly text?
    09-20-2013 10:09 AM
  20. Kilgore Trout's Avatar
    Btw, it is not true that there is nothing comparable to imessage on the android os. My sisters are both on iPhone and the message me maybe 100 times a day (we are dealing with elderly mom with declining health). I don't have unlimited sms and they quickly burned through my allotment. So, we all got on message me, which is like iMessage but with all kinds of media options. Runs on both platforms in all their various forms.
    09-20-2013 10:30 AM
  21. mahler9's Avatar
    Maybe I'm missing something, but if you use Google Voice for voicemail, it's just as good as iPhone's VVM...(if not better in some respects)
    I second that. Google Voice is fanatastic
    09-20-2013 10:55 AM
  22. Giorivera's Avatar
    After approximately four months with the GS4 on Verizon, I'll be picking up an iPhone 5s on Friday (fingers crossed that I can even find one). I've dabbled in Android for the very last time and consider it to be the clearly inferior platform. Here's why:

    1. The thing I do most on my phone is text friends and family, with most everything else being a distant second. iMessage on iOS has such a huge advantage over the basic SMS texting available on Android that it isn't even funny, especially when you're sending pictures or video which I frequently do. Add to that the effortless synching of iMessages across the entire Apple ecosystem (from Mac to iPhone to iPad, etc.), and Android simply can't compete. Plus, when you get right down to it, I hardly know anyone who doesn't have an iPhone so everyone uses iMessage.

    2. The thing I do second most on my phone is listen to music. Again, Apple has a huge advantage over Android in that Apple invented the iPod and continues to produce the best music player by a wide margin. Nothing I've tried on Android (and I've tried ALL the 3rd party music apps) comes close. From displaying album artwork to displaying alerts during music playback (especially in the lock screen mode) to synching everything effortlessly with iTunes - the iPhone continues to be the leader for music lovers IMO.

    3. The thing I do third most is use social media apps and various other sports/news apps. Almost to an app, the iOS version is better in that it crashes far less, is more fluid and intuitive, and almost always uploads superior pictures, despite the pictures taken by the GS4 being huge and vibrant. I have no idea why that last gripe is the way it is, but that's simply been my experience.

    4. Yes, the screen size of the iPhone leaves a lot to be desired. There's no avoiding that. However, the large size of the GS4's screen is really hampered by almost zero visibility in sunlight and poor touch responsiveness when compared to the iPhone. Unless you can palm a basketball, you'll probably need to use two hands on the GS4 and other giant Android phones. However, if you don't touch what you want exactly spot-on (with the phone braced with one hand and your free hand doing the selecting), the screen simply isn't as responsive and accurate to the touch as the iPhone. Don't even get me started on the poor screen sensitivity's effect on text entry and lousy auto-correct and auto-prediction...

    5. Lastly, there is no equivalent of the Find My Friends app on Android. When you have family, friends, children, and others all scattered around, it is an absolutely invaluable tool for when you need to keep tabs on someone, like during car/air/train travel, at sporting events/concerts and other large gatherings of people, or just on the commute home. Again, Android can't compete. Although the Google Latitude app existed briefly, if you enabled location reporting so that the app functioned like FMF, the phone's battery would be dead before you set it down.

    There are definitely things about the Android that are great and that I will miss. Full-featured Google Search (and accompanying widget) are great, as are Google Maps, the GMail App, snappy camera, and fully customizable user interface via 3rd party launchers. However, for what I use a phone for most, Android is still playing catch-up and probably always will be.

    The analogy I'd use here is this - iOS/Apple : Android/Samsung/HTC :: Ferrari : Hennessey Motorsports. Yes, the super-tuned Hennessey sports car (take your pick of which one) can match the performance of and typically exceed that of a Ferrari on the racetrack. However, the Ferrari can't be touched in terms of overall taste, fit, finish, and class.
    I get that everyone has different needs. I get that not every phone is for every person. I totally can even understand you wanting to go back to iPhone. But none of these reasons you mentioned actually hold any weight. The iPhone is a stable product. However, I'm not going to sit here and refute everything, I just don't have the time, nor do I care that much. But I live by a very simple creed when it comes to technology; "You can't knock it until you try it"; and I give you kudos on at least trying Android, but it appears you did not try the right way, by finding the correct solution. Its almost like you tried Android with a predisposition that it isn't as good as iOS. I've tried all OS's, in my opinion nothing comes close to Android. Google Music (Play Music), is a big reason and can even hold its weight as the only reason to go Android, if you are truly a music enthusiast. It's not even close. It syncs all of your iTunes library (and Libraries) to your Google Music Account (Cloud) for free. You can play your music from any Internet connected device, including iOS. And if you want to argue that there are data caps, there is also Offline mode, which caches the music to your device, so that its permanently locally on your device, and its no longer streaming using data. Again, it doesn't seem like you actually gave Android a shot. To each his own, but don't try to undermine Android as if its inferior. Maybe its just not for you, but it does not have any of the barriers you mentioned. Give credit to where credit is due.
    09-20-2013 12:10 PM
  23. Farish's Avatar
    Btw, it is not true that there is nothing comparable to imessage on the android os. My sisters are both on iPhone and the message me maybe 100 times a day (we are dealing with elderly mom with declining health). I don't have unlimited sms and they quickly burned through my allotment. So, we all got on message me, which is like iMessage but with all kinds of media options. Runs on both platforms in all their various forms.
    Message Me doesn't have sms integration, which is the big deal about iMessage. When you use Message Me, everybody has to have the app. When you use iMessage, it will still send and receive a text regardless of what platform the other person is using. iMessage can send a text to a dumb flip phone with no issues.

    This is why SMS integration is so crucial for Hangouts as it becomes universal regardless of platform.
    09-20-2013 12:12 PM
  24. Shanicenicolle's Avatar
    Message Me doesn't have sms integration, which is the big deal about iMessage. When you use Message Me, everybody has to have the app. When you use iMessage, it will still send and receive a text regardless of what platform the other person is using. iMessage can send a text to a dumb flip phone with no issues.

    This is why SMS integration is so crucial for Hangouts as it becomes universal regardless of platform.
    Imessage is only iPhone to iPhone. It is integrated into the regular messaging app but if you message a non smartphone it's no longer imessage just texting.


    I agree with your point on why message me isn't a solution tho.

    Sent from my *PURPLE* Galaxy S4
    09-20-2013 12:27 PM
  25. Farish's Avatar
    Imessage is only iPhone to iPhone. It is integrated into the regular messaging app but if you message a non smartphone it's no longer imessage just texting.


    I agree with your point on why message me isn't a solution tho.

    Sent from my *PURPLE* Galaxy S4
    Sigh
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    09-20-2013 01:03 PM
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