1. sunny sharma13's Avatar
    Hi Guys,
    I've recieved the kitkat update but not willing to update the device due to SD card issue.I've that after kitkat update, system will not able to write on SD card.
    Just want to know what would happen to the games and apps that are already installed on SD card.
    Will I be able to access them normally as before the update or these won't able to use.

    Also the new pics will be saved in SD card or phone memory only.

    Thanks in advance
    03-11-2014 10:44 AM
  2. AshManMB's Avatar
    I just did my update yesterday and havent seen any issues with SD card as of yet. I am on T-mobile S4....
    03-11-2014 01:40 PM
  3. sunny sharma13's Avatar
    Thanks for the reply.
    Are you still able to save images to SD card and access Apps and games that were installed on SD card before. Is it still possible to move the apps to SD card?
    Also is it worth to update to kitkat 4.4 ?

    03-14-2014 08:28 AM
  4. graysonk95's Avatar
    Third party apps are not allowed to access folders they they do not have ownership of; meaning SD storage is useless to all third party apps.

    Apps from Gallery Lock to Dumpster cannot function anymore because they don't have read/write access on both the SD and internal storage.
    Also any browser you use like Boat, Chrome, etc can't download files to the SD card.
    Syncing your phone with programs like Kies, DoubleTwist, iSyncr, etc doesn't work in 4.4.2 either.
    It's mind-boggling how Google thought this update was a good idea.

    Also, unrelated to the SD issue, my home screens constantly stop responding with 4.4.2.
    4.3 was nearly flawless for me, so I seriously regret updating.

    Posted via Android Central App
    03-14-2014 09:10 AM
  5. sunny sharma13's Avatar
    Thanks man for the nice review.
    I'll wait till samsung provides future updates to resolve these issues.
    03-14-2014 10:25 AM
  6. doohsun's Avatar
    I just did mine yesterday was concerned about it but didn't find any issues my biggest concern was the ability to moves apps to my sd since Samsung bloats their phone. I was able to do so with the new update so I was happy about that.

    Hi Guys,
    I've recieved the kitkat update but not willing to update the device due to SD card issue.I've that after kitkat update, system will not able to write on SD card.
    Just want to know what would happen to the games and apps that are already installed on SD card.
    Will I be able to access them normally as before the update or these won't able to use.

    Also the new pics will be saved in SD card or phone memory only.

    Thanks in advance
    03-14-2014 10:33 AM
  7. sunny sharma13's Avatar
    Thanks for the info.
    Its good that after kitkat update its possible to move apps to SD card
    But now I'm not understanding why everyone says that third party apps doesn't have read/write access to card. If we can move the apps to sd card, then obviously it read/write on it.
    03-18-2014 03:30 AM
  8. TheSuperSteve's Avatar
    OP: As I understand it, only third-party apps downloaded from the Play Store, Amazon, etc, don't have access to read/write to the SD card. Apps that come installed by default on your rom can read/write on the SD card. So on a Galaxy phone with KitKat, pretty much only the default file manager "My Files" can write to the SD card. That is until developers update their apps to fix permissions on KitKat.
    03-18-2014 05:36 AM
  9. sho50's Avatar
    Absolutely insane & totally unacceptable! KitKat ruins SD card usage. It is now impossible to directly modify anything stored on the SD card. And this is supposed to be an upgrade?? Bull****!

    The only work around, short of rooting and modifying system files, is to:
    1. copy the file you want to modify,
    2. paste it into a new file with a file-writing app (e.g., FX),
    3. make the modifications,
    4. save on the device storage with a different name than the original,
    5. then use the "move" function to move the modified file back to the SD card,
    6. delete the old file,
    7. and, finally, rename the newly moved file as desired.

    Seven steps to do what used to take one: a RIDICULOUSLY convoluted hassle!

    Google Android: FIX THIS **** IMMEDIATELY!! Call it Android 4.2.3... (and, perhaps nickname it "OurBad"!)

    Else, enjoy a lot of flak, a lot of negative reviews, a lot of lost business... And, some class action lawsuits.

    And, stop foisting (pushing) buggy beta "updates" on your customers!

    Posted via Android Central App
    03-18-2014 04:17 PM
  10. JLTEEXO's Avatar
    Well, you made the right choice!

    Not only the SD card but there's a tone more issues with this update.

    Posted via Android Central App
    03-18-2014 11:56 PM
  11. graysonk95's Avatar
    I've actually started to enjoy 4.4.2 at this point.
    Of course, out of the box, it sucks, but today I rooted, did some performance tweaks, (and most importantly) installed the 4.4 KitKat SDcard Fix and now everything works just as good, if not better, than 4.3.

    I highly recommend the SD fix for anyone frustrated with this issue- it brings back all SD card functionality.
    sunny sharma13 likes this.
    03-19-2014 05:54 PM
  12. sunny sharma13's Avatar
    My device is auto updated to Kitkat since update on wifi was enabled by mistake.
    Its working little smoother than earlier but no major update.
    Also OK Google is not working. This only works when Google is opened and not when the phone is locked etc.
    I think kitkat update brings the feature of always listening to the devices.

    Does any one also facing the same issue and know how to fix it please help ...
    04-10-2014 04:12 AM
  13. Mark4christ's Avatar
    I'm a recent convert from the other OS. With this change to the sd card what exactly can I store on it? The Galaxy S5 only has 10gb of on board storage and I have more music than that.
    04-10-2014 07:10 PM
  14. sunny sharma13's Avatar
    As far as I understand, you can still add music ,photos on SD card but with the default file manager or through PC.
    Only third party apps operating on phone, cannot modify the data on SD card.
    04-11-2014 08:49 AM
  15. JudH's Avatar
    As far as I understand, you can still add music ,photos on SD card but with the default file manager or through PC.
    Only third party apps operating on phone, cannot modify the data on SD card.
    Third party apps CAN modify files on the external card but ONLY in ONE specific folder, their own at com.appackage name-they MUST use that folder or a sub-folder below it. Looking at my card I only have three apps that use that folder--all the others, including a couple with LARGE (up to 750mb) data folders, either used another folder name or allowed the user to specify one at install neither which will work. Lot of apps will need to be modified before they will function at all on 4.4, at least if you put their data on the card (if they give you a choice--that 750mb app didn't even ask--when it detected the card at install it used it).
    04-11-2014 12:48 PM
  16. sunny sharma13's Avatar
    Regretting update to Kitkat...
    Now my battery is draining so fast. 30% to 0 in 8 hrs in which the device was idle...
    Also dont know how screen uses is increased to approx 40 % while earlier it used to be 17-18% with the same amount of uses.

    Any one having fix for this please respong
    04-14-2014 04:14 AM
  17. tppc35's Avatar
    I dowload the app and it failed stating need to be a superuser
    04-19-2014 02:10 PM
  18. Tigrisan's Avatar
    I thought I'd never be able to use DoubleTwist again the way it was intended, but I downloaded File Expert and my Galaxy S4 is once again usable the way it was before the update! File Expert won't work for everyone according to their description, but it works for a lot of models and they're adding more. It's available on Play.
    05-18-2014 08:18 PM
  19. Jeremy W1's Avatar
    Does anyone know of an actual class action lawsuit being filed yet? I would like to join it because I bought a S5 2 weeks ago with clear understanding that it supported 128GB SD Cards... not partially supported, not that it would show up as a drive which I could directly access, but that it would extend my internal memory capabilities. Since I paid for a phone that was supposed to support an SD, my expectation is that Google owes me the amount I spent on the SD card ($128) plus Samsung indirectly also needs to pay for stating in their phone specifications that up to 128GB SD cards were supported. Remember, I bought this phone well after 4.4 was published so the message should be have been clearly made to me as the buyer up front, and it took me over a week to receive my SD card in the mail so I cannot return the phone now.
    10-14-2014 09:23 PM
  20. snicklenobbin's Avatar
    Kit Kat Rant #112

    Google completely and royally screwed up on this and should be taken out back and spanked like a puppy that peed on the rug in front of you right after you just got finished cleaning it up from its former mess. Their programmer in charge a.k.a. the ***** who wrote and approved of this nightmare feels this file management system is much easier and cleaner to use than ........oh shall we say the same cut and paste method we've been using for the past 30 years!!!

    Think of release 4.4.2 as the CORE MATH of android programming where you take something that worked perfect and f*ck it up in such a way that even Steven Hawkins has to stop and wonder how this could remotely be construed as a time saver. But I don't want to be too harsh yet so let's evaluate this thinking process to be fair: The Old Way - cut and paste (whambamthankyoumam) done and ready to use .... now The New Way - format sd card, install in phone, format sd card again, connect phone to laptop, get compatible file music, video, pic, ebook, doc, whatever (or convert to a compatible format), copy to phone (extra bs - 90% of the time this conflicts with windows so windows which can no longer read the phone (security of 4.4.2) assumes it needs to be converted to wmv or the user must chose no and copy the file to phone. Once done pick up the phone and go to the home screen, then press apps, then click the "my files" app, click all files, find your file and tag it, then go to the upper right pull down menu and click "move" an option screen of phone or sd card comes up, you chose sd card, in new screen chose a file or create folder to put your file in if there isn't one, then click the folder you just created, go to upper right corner and click "move here" press the back to the beginning to do the next and EVERY FILE THIS WAY. Then if you are lucky you'll never copy a bad formatted file (meaning one the phone doesn't like) because if you do the security causes a glitch that rewrites the files structure and doesn't allow for the card to be read any more (because it assumes the file is attempting to gain write access so it shuts that down). Message will come up then that says blank sd card or card errors with unsupported files, you can't remount the card or get rid of it. 80% of the time your computer will no longer read it and it requires reformatting. 20% of the time it trashes the card so bad you can no longer access it with any device or computer.

    So dear readers: Does this really sound easier? This was done to millions of users without warning and the fix as Verizon tells me is at least 90 days away with lollipop. Every company is returning these phones and replacing them per Samsung's agreement to sell their product but THIS DOES NOT FIX IT, all it does is gives Samsung millions of phones back so they can pressure Google who started this mess to begin with to fix it. But, the best part is why? Why do this to something that worked perfect, Google's programmer in charge of the project claims it's not only easier as shown above vs the old way, he claims it's cleaner and more secure since any app can no longer write to the sd card anywhere it wants. It took away the permission a few crap apps no one ever used because we all knew this already (That they took advantage of your information a.k.a. Google and others) and made things like your sd card reader, your phone, weather apps, chat apps, picture apps, no longer allowed to write (save) to your sd card. Basically any app you want to have permission to the sd card you will need to duplicate every file for each app to read and write to their own personal folders, again what was this ahole thinking? But like the bad infomercial it's not over because when you reboot your phone there is a 80% to the bad and 20% to the good that the file structure will see those former files on the sd card as ones without permission and will deny you access to them and disable the sd card again.

    The fix for now is to root your phone and change one line of software (easy to find on the net on how to do both) and that's it problem cured, security in place, and sunshine and daydreams again right, wrong! Rooting your phone voids the warranty meaning ANYTHING that goes wrong with it after that is on you even if the company does it. So why delay the fix if it's one line of code - MONEY!

    Google apps like Google music, Google store, Google Play, Google +, Google Earth, Google, Chrome, Google Chat, G Mail, ANYTHING Google are made to run 24/7/365 and streaming if they could have it that way. Your cell company who makes the phone doesn't care they do that with the software because they make and sell phones so if Google want to write candy for the base software they are into it because hey they get all kinds of software you'll use on their phone for free. Your provider doesn't care if Google runs 24/7/365 and would LOVE it if they could stream it 24 hours a day, why? Data Fees!!!!! The bonus for Google is preventing other apps from writing to the sd card and gives them the edge and by doing so over time they will slowly convert you to they way they want you to use your phone, think of it as Facebook for your cell phone where they can control how you will use and view your content and the way you communicate.

    Bottom line the more Google can prevent you from using the phone YOU paid for the more your choices are limited to using Google products, by using more Google products you use more data, not only in using them but because they run in the background to constantly update themselves they've now been programmed to infer with the way the phone even works if you turn them off!!! Kids this is a cash cow the sd folks are on the unexpected gravy boat at the end because the first thing you'll hear when calling any company customer service or tech people on this will be "have you a different sd card", "sd cards can go bad" yada yada yada heard them all. Naturally if you are like me and everyone else with this issue (as I said millions of people) you go out and by a new sd card thinking that will fix it but it doesn't, you may even replace the card several times with different manufacturers and all will perform the same due to the bad line of code in Kit Kat that Google wrote in the software to prevent other apps from having access to your sd card. The best customer support shut down for this problem (where they attempt to blame the customer for their mistakes) is "did you buy all your music, video, from the Google play-store, music, movies, etc? If you didn't and say no I copied them from my old card, old phone, laptop, computer etc you'll be told you can't see them because they were illegal or don't have the right copyright file imprint and other BS like that depending on how creative the customer service person is at bull**** and lying. Yet after threatening to drive your truck through the front of their major hub store in your area you'll finally get an honest person who will tell you there is a software issue with these phones and they may offer you a new one to make you happy just be aware as mentioned earlier it's NOT the phone but the software in it so you can get a new one everyday and it still won't work right with any sd card in it. FYI Even if you want to refer to an earlier software version like 4.2 or 4.3 which worked great you can't because 4.4.2. hardcodes as the original factory setting and even with a master reset just comes back on to reinstall the same problem again, why because Google changed the base file structure so the phone knows no other.

    My thought instead of a class act suit is to oh maybe all of us storm Google and each one of us gets to give this genius programmer a swift yet hard kick in the *** and demand he pay for everyone's damage and time he's wasted or perhaps we can be cool and just call Google's upper management 24/7 until they release a fix. Even maybe go further and tie up every Line of communication going in or out of Google demanding this be fixed immediately, Type it in your Google search "Google stop kit kating around with us and give the sd card permission".

    I just got offer my 5th Galaxy 4S today (which is like putting your hand on the hot stove when it's on to see if it's hot) my reply back to that was "great but if all the phones now have the same update won't it have the same issues"? Customer Service Supervisor "yes but you'll have a new phone" Me "I just got this new one from the store Thursday why do I want to trade it for a new reconditioned phone with the same issues" Customer Service Supervisor "Because it's a new phone" Me " What part of Thursday ("as in yesterday") didn't you understand? Customer Service "Sir you don't have to be snippy, I a trying to help you". Me "you know what think about what you just asked me and call me back Monday" . Makes appointment.

    So tired of getting screwed by corporations, where the heck did I leave those silly truck keys!!!
    01-09-2015 08:07 PM
  21. abcol1's Avatar
    Have recently (unfortunately) 'upgraded' to kit kat on my galaxy S4 mini. Now I can't use my SD card. Please will someone tell me when we can expect an update to put things right. How can I actually get through to a human being at Google so that I can ask them.
    05-07-2015 11:54 AM
  22. Rosso Dkr's Avatar
    hey guys i wanna know that if updating android software on micromax to lollipop do we need to insert sd card..or dont need to insert at all while updating..so plz help me
    09-17-2015 05:51 PM

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