03-08-2014 03:54 PM
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  1. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    I have ~120 apps installed on my phone and I have over 5GB of the 8GB of internal storage left. All those apps would have to double in size in the next year for it to be an issue with the S5. I don't think I'm that far off from an "average" user, either. I have mostly social media, some productivity and automation apps, regular media apps (Netflix, Pandora, etc.), a few games (most Angry Birds, Candy Crush, black jack, craps, solitaire) some customization (Nova, WidgetLocker, a few widgets) and some apps to keep a toddler busy for a few minutes. I've disabled, but not deleted, most of the Samsung, Google and Verizon bloatware. All those applications take up 2.74GB. What is it that I'm missing that all these people are using that takes up so much space, and why isn't the 32GB version a viable option for those that need more space?

    I'm not saying that more storage wouldn't be nice, and I'd probably pick that over an IP67 phone, but I also don't think it's this catastrophic failure like everyone is saying. I'm also not seeing any actual evidence that it will matter, just a bunch of vague assertions that 8GB isn't enough because "stuff is big."
    On my Moto X (have to use this as I have no Samsung as a daily driver), I have 11.88 GB available after the OS takes it's share. I only have 75-80 apps on my phone (just looked; can't remember, but it is in the high 70's), and a Nandroid. Altogether, I have used about 5.88 GB, so I am at half capacity. Because of the limited space on my device, I can't carry everything that I would like. As a result, I am very selective on which apps I install. Different users, different needs.
    02-25-2014 09:14 AM
  2. garublador's Avatar
    On my Moto X (have to use this as I have no Samsung as a daily driver), I have 11.88 GB available after the OS takes it's share. I only have 75-80 apps on my phone (just looked; can't remember, but it is in the high 70's), and a Nandroid. Altogether, I have used about 5.88 GB, so I am at half capacity. Because of the limited space on my device, I can't carry everything that I would like.
    Is that 5.88 GB of apps only or 5.88 GB total used?

    Different users, different needs.
    We aren't talking about individual users, we're talking about most users. What huge apps are you running that you think are installed by a majority of users?
    02-25-2014 09:18 AM
  3. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Is that 5.88 GB of apps only or 5.88 GB total used?

    We aren't talking about individual users, we're talking about most users. What huge apps are you running that you think are installed by a majority of users?
    5.88 total. Including a Nandroid. You can't cluster users in a general pool, as there are no two users who use devices exactly the same way.

    From a Sprint Moto X using AC Forums app
    02-25-2014 09:37 AM
  4. garublador's Avatar
    5.88 total. Including a Nandroid.
    So how much of that 5.88 GB could be put on an SD card? You're comparing apples and oranges. The S5 has an external SD card, so stuff like backups, pictures, videos and music can be stored externally. The only thing that it makes sense to compare is how much space apps take.

    You can't cluster users in a general pool, as there are no two users who use devices exactly the same way.
    I'll bet that every major OEM will disagree with you about clustering users into large categories. They do it very effectively. That's a pretty obvious, and common logical fallacy. You're saying that because you and I don't use our phones exactly the same then there can't be similarities with how any two people use their phones. It's like saying that because my wife and I don't have the same size feet then no two people will wear the same size shoes. That's clearly false, many people wear the same size shoes. In fact, they produce shoes knowing what percent of people wear each size shoe. They make more 10.5's than they do 15's. Just because Shaq has to shop at specific stores to find shoes his size doesn't mean they can't have shoe stores that cater to a majority of the population. Just because no two individuals are the same doesn't mean that there aren't similarities that are shared by large groups.
    02-25-2014 10:21 AM
  5. dsignori's Avatar
    ...

    I have ~120 apps installed on my phone and I have over 5GB of the 8GB of internal storage left. All those apps would have to double in size in the next year for it to be an issue with the S5. I don't think I'm that far off from an "average" user, either. I have mostly social media, some productivity and automation apps, regular media apps (Netflix, Pandora, etc.), a few games (most Angry Birds, Candy Crush, black jack, craps, solitaire) some customization (Nova, WidgetLocker, a few widgets) and some apps to keep a toddler busy for a few minutes. I've disabled, but not deleted, most of the Samsung, Google and Verizon bloatware. All those applications take up 2.74GB. What is it that I'm missing that all these people are using that takes up so much space, and why isn't the 32GB version a viable option for those that need more space?

    I'm not saying that more storage wouldn't be nice, and I'd probably pick that over an IP67 phone, but I also don't think it's this catastrophic failure like everyone is saying. I'm also not seeing any actual evidence that it will matter, just a bunch of vague assertions that 8GB isn't enough because "stuff is big."
    A few counter points:
    - The 32 GB model wasn't available on all carriers for a while in the US (not sure if it is even now). I was glad VZW had it. So it may not even be an option for certain carriers.
    - There is a distinction between power users' ability to deal with storage issues, and how "normal" users could. For power users, phone geeks, people who post in forums, etc having a SD card option helps with storage (though not all apps can go there still). However for normal, average buyers, I would bet they don't even know about or use a SD card..
    - I don't know about "stuff is big", but "stuff is definitely getting bigger "nowadays. 4K video, more megapixel in the camera leading to larger photo sizes, and yes, larger and larger app and game apk's. This isn't vague IMO, it is what is happening with mobile in today's world. More storage is required today than 2 years ago for doing exactly the same thing for the reasons just stated.

    Bottom line for me, IMO staring out with 7+GB of space is too little in 2014 for the average Joe buying a top-of-the-line, high-end, flagship smartphone.
    02-25-2014 11:33 PM
  6. bembol's Avatar
    microSD shouldn't be the answer nor excuse.

    Aren't storage cheap and Samsung knew this was an issue with the S4 and they still come out with a 16GB.

    Sorry but are they just waiting for Apple to make the move to making 32GB standard/minimum?

    "I'll put up color bars before I'll put you in front of our cameras." - MacKenzie (HBO, The NEWSROOM)
    02-26-2014 02:54 AM
  7. garublador's Avatar
    A few counter points:
    - The 32 GB model wasn't available on all carriers for a while in the US (not sure if it is even now). I was glad VZW had it. So it may not even be an option for certain carriers.
    That's not Samsung's fault. It's also supports my claim that most people don't need or even want the 32 GB version. If it were necessary to have that much storage it would be the most popular seller and all the carriers would order them first.
    - There is a distinction between power users' ability to deal with storage issues, and how "normal" users could. For power users, phone geeks, people who post in forums, etc having a SD card option helps with storage (though not all apps can go there still). However for normal, average buyers, I would bet they don't even know about or use a SD card..
    That sound completely made up to me. If no one knows about micro SD cards, then why are there several different OEMs and why are they sold in big box stores that don't even specialize in electronics (e.g. Walmart, Target). The SD card and similar technologies have been the standard for storage in portable devices like phones and cameras for well over a decade now. There are several OEM's still putting R&D into them to make them bigger and faster. All of that points to external storage being popular and well known. What evidence is there that most people don't even know about SD cards?
    - I don't know about "stuff is big", but "stuff is definitely getting bigger "nowadays. 4K video, more megapixel in the camera leading to larger photo sizes, and yes, larger and larger app and game apk's. This isn't vague IMO, it is what is happening with mobile in today's world. More storage is required today than 2 years ago for doing exactly the same thing for the reasons just stated.
    Videos and photos can be stored on external storage and synced with cloud services. Not giving any actual data on how much bigger the most popular apps are is the definition of vague. I've shown with actual numbers how much space many of the most popular apps, including OEM, Google and Verizon bloatware, takes up (<3 GB). No one has shown any evidence that any of the most popular apps take up significant space. I'll ask again, what app(s) am I missing that are used by a large number of people, that also take up >5 GB of space, total?

    Bottom line for me, IMO staring out with 7+GB of space is too little in 2014 for the average Joe buying a top-of-the-line, high-end, flagship smartphone.
    But how can that be the "bottom line" if there is no evidence to support it? All of the top selling phones so far only have 16 GB base models, no one has shown, and three of them are iPhones that don't have external storage options.
    02-26-2014 08:37 AM
  8. dsignori's Avatar
    That's not Samsung's fault. It's also supports my claim that most people don't need or even want the 32 GB version. If it were necessary to have that much storage it would be the most popular seller and all the carriers would order them first.
    Their fault or not, the answer can't be "just get the 32 GB version" if it's not an option for some people. And it may not be

    That sound completely made up to me. If no one knows about micro SD cards, then why are there several different OEMs and why are they sold in big box stores that don't even specialize in electronics (e.g. Walmart, Target). The SD card and similar technologies have been the standard for storage in portable devices like phones and cameras for well over a decade now. There are several OEM's still putting R&D into them to make them bigger and faster. All of that points to external storage being popular and well known. What evidence is there that most people don't even know about SD cards?
    No matter how it "sounds to you", it's the truth. Go into a mall or a DMV and see an anyone walking around even knows if their phone has a SD card. Or if they do, do they use it. It can "sound" however you want. Regular people do not use SD cards in theirs phones normally (unless it is already in it when purchased perhaps).

    Videos and photos can be stored on external storage and synced with cloud services. ....
    I'm glad you feel the average person is going to use cloud storage for a 2GB 4K video. We can agree to disagree that 16GB base models with 7GB of usable space are OK for a flagship phone. I understand your opinion, I just don't share it. It's OK, really.
    02-26-2014 10:44 AM
  9. garublador's Avatar
    Their fault or not, the answer can't be "just get the 32 GB version" if it's not an option for some people. And it may not be
    We're talking about the phone, not carriers. Again, the claim is that most people will be fine with a 16GB model, and the way the carriers order them supports that. How does carriers only carrying the 16 GB version at first support the idea that people need more storage? If it doesn't, then why are you making that argument?

    No matter how it "sounds to you", it's the truth. Go into a mall or a DMV and see an anyone walking around even knows if their phone has a SD card. Or if they do, do they use it. It can "sound" however you want. Regular people do not use SD cards in theirs phones normally (unless it is already in it when purchased perhaps).
    It doesn't matter what you say about it either. What matter are facts. The fact is that Android phones have always had SD slots, so it's not a new feature. The fact is that the cards are popular enough to be sold at large chain stores. The fact is that devices have been using similar storage devices for over a decade. All of those support that SD cards are widely known about. What fact supports that they aren't popular? Guessing at what people might say at the DMV is not a fact. It's a wild guess and totally unsupported by any real world data.

    I'm glad you feel the average person is going to use cloud storage for a 2GB 4K video.
    No, I said people would use an SD card for that. A 128 GB model just came out, which makes the S5 the phone with more than twice the possible memory of any other smart phone. If media storage is important, this is by far the best phone. They can back it up to cloud storage if they want, but given that there aren't really a whole lot of options for actually viewing 4K videos, I'm going to guess it won't be an issue.

    I also think it's funny that apparently the "average person" doesn't even know what an SD card is despite them being popular and widely used for over a decade, but they'll be taking 4K videos despite UHTV's being very new and unpopular. How about you go to your DMV an see how many people have UHTV's that will allow them to play 4k videos?

    I understand your opinion, I just don't share it. It's OK, really.
    I'm presenting actual facts to back up my opinion. Your opinion is based on, as far as anyone can tell, absolutely nothing. So I'm positive you don't actually understand either opinion. You just happen to have one opinion and are totally ignoring any hard evidence that it may be wrong. No one is forcing you to discuss it.
    02-26-2014 12:54 PM
  10. Jay Holm's Avatar
    Which is precisely the reason I will pass on the S5 unless T-Mobile gets a 32GB version.
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    02-27-2014 06:40 AM
  11. 8er's Avatar
    They will offer a 32GB version. Expect to pay 80 to 100 dollars more for it.

    Think of the revenues generated the adding <10 dollars to the cost of the 32GB device. 70 dollars * millions = big bonuses
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    02-27-2014 02:00 PM
  12. jihart33's Avatar
    I have really had no problem with my S4 and this situation. One time I needed to get rid of an app or two for room, but the last time I used those apps was a millennium ago.. Lol I would prefer the 32gb though!
    02-27-2014 03:04 PM
  13. stackberry369's Avatar
    This is a bit of a problem for me because on my S4, there are times I have been warned I was running out of space to download apps, and had to figure what to delete
    I do have 133 apps though lol
    133 apps?

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    02-28-2014 12:45 AM
  14. stackberry369's Avatar
    So people don't like the 16 GB (8.5) with 128 GB expandable option. Guess that's why there's a 32 GB option--with yet another 128 GB expandable.

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    I have the 32 gb note 3 and a 64 gb sd card for a total of 96 gb.

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    02-28-2014 12:53 AM
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    03-01-2014 12:23 PM
  16. UJ95x's Avatar
    This is a big improvement. Most Android phones that are 16GB have about 12 out of the box, now the S5 has around 11.
    So the 32GB version should be around 26-27 👍

    Sent from my Galaxy S4 running SlimKat 4.4.2
    03-01-2014 03:36 PM
  17. Premium1's Avatar
    This is a big improvement. Most Android phones that are 16GB have about 12 out of the box, now the S5 has around 11.
    So the 32GB version should be around 26-27

    Sent from my Galaxy S4 running SlimKat 4.4.2
    Agree. I wish OEMs would make 32gb the min. But I'm sure until apple does it, we will keep having these smaller storage amounts.
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    03-01-2014 04:49 PM
  18. ajonesma's Avatar
    Really wish they had gotten rid of the 16GB version like they did with the Note 3 last year.
    03-01-2014 08:16 PM
  19. tbzep's Avatar
    I'm on Verizon. When I got my s4 last week, all that was available online and at the store was 16gb. Now there are no s4's available online. I won't be surprised if the 32gb s5's are vaporware for me as well.
    Didn't find out until after I got the phone that s4's have issues with sd cards, losing data and even killing the cards. Even with that, my s4 is a lot cooler than my wife's and daughter's i4s.

    And of course, they dropped the s4 price right afte I got mine too....same thing happens every time I fill up with gas.
    03-07-2014 01:58 PM
  20. Raptor007's Avatar
    They will offer a 32GB version. Expect to pay 80 to 100 dollars more for it.

    Think of the revenues generated the adding <10 dollars to the cost of the 32GB device. 70 dollars * millions = big bonuses
    .
    No way, the 32GB version is typically $50 more at most. This isn't CrApple where a increase in storage jumps $100. The Galaxy Note 3 is $699 on Verizon with 32GB and the S4 when it was new was pretty close to that price if I recall correctly. Its now down to $499 off contract or the BOGO promo or the Buy 4 family bundle.
    03-08-2014 03:49 PM
  21. Raptor007's Avatar
    Verizon offered a 32GB S4 last year it was only available online or through telesales or if the store ordered it for you. The reason you only see the 16GB version which is currently sold out is the S5 is due out in what 30 days. We can't expect Verizon to stock up on 32GB variants which don't sell as well for some odd reason. But if they don't offer it AT&T will and my money WILL go there.
    03-08-2014 03:54 PM
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