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  1. black_thorne's Avatar
    I based that statement upon photos I have seen taken in good lighting on the iPhone 6 and 6 plus and I compared them to shots I have taken on the S5. I did not say that I think the S5 will have a better camera in all areas, such as low lighting as the evidence I have seen suggests that it wouldn't be. I'm sorry but I have no intention of buying an iPhone 6 /6+. All I can do is read reviews and then formulate my own opinions based on the information that I have. I do not believe that the S5 is the best in all areas. There are obviously categories where other devices are stronger like low light performance and general fluidity and performance.

    Posted from my S5
    The thing about online reviews are, you can find someone saying the S5 sucks at this, while someone else says the iphone sucks at the same thing. You need to go out and find out for yourself and not just make empty claims to people that are looking for advice.

    For example, yesterday I went down to Best Buy and played around with the iphone 6+. I took multiple photos of the exact same thing with my S5 and the iphone 6+.

    The iPhone took a cleaner picture than my S5. The colors in the photo came out more realistic than my S5 and we're sharper. My S5 took a darker picture and changed the real color. When I zoomed in on the image, the iphone was clearer, while the S5 had rougher edges. I could read words in the distance once zoomed in on the iphone that I couldn't read on the S5.

    I don't hold an allegiance to either phone. What ever works better, works better.
    11-05-2014 11:08 PM
  2. shanghaichica's Avatar
    The thing about online reviews are, you can find someone saying the S5 sucks at this, while someone else says the iphone sucks at the same thing. You need to go out and find out for yourself and not just make empty claims to people that are looking for advice.

    For example, yesterday I went down to Best Buy and played around with the iphone 6+. I took multiple photos of the exact same thing with my S5 and the iphone 6+.

    The iPhone took a cleaner picture than my S5. The colors in the photo came out more realistic than my S5 and we're sharper. My S5 took a darker picture and changed the real color. When I zoomed in on the image, the iphone was clearer, while the S5 had rougher edges. I could read words in the distance once zoomed in on the iphone that I couldn't read on the S5.

    I don't hold an allegiance to either phone. What ever works better, works better.
    Taking pictures in a store is not how I'd measure the quality of a phones camera. I prefer to take outdoor shots, which I can't do with both phones as I don't have an iPhone 6/6+. Also in the UK, unless you go to the Apple store phones are usually bolted down to a display which would make any comparison invalid, as you can't move the phone about. However at the end of the day it all comes down to personal opinion really. You could show be the shots you took with the S5 and iPhone 6 and I might genuinely believe that the shots are better on the S5 whilst you genuinely believe they are better on the iPhone 6 or vice versa.

    At the end of the day I think both phones have good cameras. I've owned the iPhone 5S which had a good camera so the 6 would also be good. The way I see it is that the S5 is better outdoors and the iPhone 6 is better in low light. Overall they are probably about the same but I just prefer the S5 because I take most of my shots outside. If I had children then I'd probably prefer the iPhone because I imagine I'd need/want to take more shots indoors.

    Posted from my S5
    11-06-2014 01:43 AM
  3. P_Devil's Avatar
    The thing about online reviews are, you can find someone saying the S5 sucks at this, while someone else says the iphone sucks at the same thing. You need to go out and find out for yourself and not just make empty claims to people that are looking for advice.
    Which is exactly what I have done. I have almost two years worth of pictures from my iPhone 5 and now about 5 months worth of pictures from my S5. Many were taken in similar lighting conditions, some were taken in the same room in the same lighting conditions (i.e. all the lights turned off except a few during a Halloween party) with a year in between. I'm not talking about reading reviews from Cnet that blindly praise anything Apple does and reading a review from an anti-Apple website praising the S5 just because it isn't an iPhone. Nope, I'm talking about years of real world experience.

    I also wouldn't count quick shots in a store as real world experience, regardless of which smartphone you thought came out better. That's like trying to judge the audio quality of headphones using their low quality, split source or like judging the picture quality of an HDTV in the store when they are all sourced from a split, compressed image and all are calibrated to be blown way out of proportion.
    11-06-2014 06:25 AM
  4. black_thorne's Avatar
    Which is exactly what I have done. I have almost two years worth of pictures from my iPhone 5 and now about 5 months worth of pictures from my S5. Many were taken in similar lighting conditions, some were taken in the same room in the same lighting conditions (i.e. all the lights turned off except a few during a Halloween party) with a year in between. I'm not talking about reading reviews from Cnet that blindly praise anything Apple does and reading a review from an anti-Apple website praising the S5 just because it isn't an iPhone. Nope, I'm talking about years of real world experience.

    I also wouldn't count quick shots in a store as real world experience, regardless of which smartphone you thought came out better. That's like trying to judge the audio quality of headphones using their low quality, split source or like judging the picture quality of an HDTV in the store when they are all sourced from a split, compressed image and all are calibrated to be blown way out of proportion.
    What my point was, don't go by reviews on the interwebs. Go out and check things out in person. Don't just assume something is better because of fan loyalty.

    I've never been to a store around here that bolts the phone down so you can't check it out. They're connected to a coiled wire so you can move it around and play with it.

    And what does comparing an S5 to an iphone 5 have to do with an iphone 6? Wouldn't that be like comparing an iphone 6 to an S4?
    11-06-2014 09:04 AM
  5. P_Devil's Avatar
    I've never been to a store around here that bolts the phone down so you can't check it out. They're connected to a coiled wire so you can move it around and play with it.
    The artificial lighting conditions in the stores aren't realistic, that's my point. You aren't going to take pictures at home under bright fluorescent lighting that is uniform across your ceiling, you aren't going to take pictures outside under bright fluorescent lighting, etc.

    And what does comparing an S5 to an iphone 5 have to do with an iphone 6? Wouldn't that be like comparing an iphone 6 to an S4?
    Like I said before, it goes back to your comment saying that your iPhone 4S took better pictures than the S5 in low light conditions while my experience has been the complete opposite with my iPhone 5 and S5.
    11-06-2014 09:51 AM
  6. msavic6's Avatar
    The artificial lighting conditions in the stores aren't realistic, that's my point. You aren't going to take pictures at home under bright fluorescent lighting that is uniform across your ceiling, you aren't going to take pictures outside under bright fluorescent lighting, etc.
    The comparison was done given those conditions, just because you aren't going to take pictures in that kind of situation doesn't mean you can discredit the difference in quality he noticed between the two devices.


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    11-06-2014 10:12 AM
  7. P_Devil's Avatar
    The comparison was done given those conditions, just because you aren't going to take pictures in that kind of situation doesn't mean you can discredit the difference in quality he noticed between the two devices.


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    But that setup wasn't representative of real world conditions. It would be like me taking 5 or so pictures in my lab under UV lighting (during experimentation) with an HTC One M8 and iPad 2 with the iPad 2 producing better shots and saying that it's better than the M8. It's a very narrow condition in which very few people are going to be taking constant shots under. Besides, again, my comments go back to their original 4S and S5 comparison. I have not messed with an iPhone 6 or 6 Plus so I can't comment on the picture quality of those compared to the S5. That being said, the few photo-centric reviews I have read (which take pictures in all sorts of different conditions with a bunch of the options enabled and disabled) say that the iPhone 6/6 Plus is better in low light conditions, their pictures are a bit more accurate when it comes to color in all lighting conditions, but the S5 has more detail due to the 16MP sensor. Those were reviews where they pulled the photos off of the phones and viewed them on properly calibrated monitors, they weren't relying on the phones' displays as those may or may not be an accurate representation of the image (especially with the S5's color saturation and the iPhone's lack thereof).
    11-07-2014 06:43 AM
  8. black_thorne's Avatar
    These 2 are a comparison of the 4s and S5. Both taken from the exact same position with the same low lighting and then cropped. I took photos on different settings and picked the best on the S5. ALL AUTO was what created the best imaging in low light on this S5. There isn't any real need to use different settings on the iPhone, so i just used the 1st photo.
    These were the outcome. I seriously tried to be a s fair as possible with this. Mind you, this iPhone is 2 generations behind.

    You can see one blends the lines and color together to make the image smoother, image is brighter but sacrifices detail and true real world color.

    The other holds more detail, harder edges, and truer real world color, but creates a more grainy image.

    Look at the power receptacle, phone cord receptacle, cabinet edging, top of dog treat bowl (blue scarf and writing on bowl).

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    11-07-2014 09:40 AM
  9. shanghaichica's Avatar
    Ok. The S5 has a terrible camera. Worst I've ever seen on a smartphone. Samsung should be ashamed of themselves.

    Posted from my S5
    11-07-2014 10:08 AM
  10. black_thorne's Avatar
    Ok. The S5 has a terrible camera. Worst I've ever seen on a smartphone. Samsung should be ashamed of themselves.

    Posted from my S5
    Now you're getting it
    11-07-2014 10:30 AM
  11. black_thorne's Avatar
    I'm kidding of course. I just don't agree with blind loyalty.
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    11-07-2014 10:35 AM
  12. msavic6's Avatar
    I'm kidding of course. I just don't agree with blind loyalty.
    +1

    It's increasingly rare these days to find someone who acknowledges the pros/cons of two devices especially if it's a comparison between an Android device and an iPhone. Usually you all you get is a "Apple sucks" or "iPhone is designed for idiots"

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    11-07-2014 12:09 PM
  13. shanghaichica's Avatar
    +1

    It's increasingly rare these days to find someone who acknowledges the pros/cons of two devices especially if it's a comparison between an Android device and an iPhone. Usually you all you get is a "Apple sucks" or "iPhone is designed for idiots"

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    The iPhone has a lot of things going for it. The 6/6plus was a big step forward. I prefer Android buy with the latest models it does address most of the hardware based things which were lacking in previous models i. e. larger screen, higher resolution screen etc.
    If I didn't have a Samsung phone I'd probably have an iPhone. I came from an iPhone after all. None of the other android OEM's interest me.

    In an ideal world Samsung and Apple would collaborate on the igalaxy and then I'd have my dream phone lol.

    Posted from my nexus 7 2013
    11-07-2014 12:54 PM
  14. colyn1353's Avatar
    These 2 are a comparison of the 4s and S5. Both taken from the exact same position with the same low lighting and then cropped. I took photos on different settings and picked the best on the S5. ALL AUTO was what created the best imaging in low light on this S5. There isn't any real need to use different settings on the iPhone, so i just used the 1st photo.
    These were the outcome. I seriously tried to be a s fair as possible with this. Mind you, this iPhone is 2 generations behind.

    You can see one blends the lines and color together to make the image smoother, image is brighter but sacrifices detail and true real world color.

    The other holds more detail, harder edges, and truer real world color, but creates a more grainy image.

    Look at the power receptacle, phone cord receptacle, cabinet edging, top of dog treat bowl (blue scarf and writing on bowl).
    I'm wondering.. How did you secure both cameras? Did you handhold or mount both to a tripod? The reason I ask is both images have camera shake which is amplified when you crop..
    A real world comparision would be to enlarge and print both images using traditional wet printing. This is the method I use when comparing digital cameras whether they be camera/phones, P&S digital, or DSLR's. Posting images on a forum is worthless since the forum will reduce image size as well as resolution... Using Wally Worlds print making machines don't work...

    Of course if you want maximum quality of your images, use film. Digital has yet to catch up with the top quality resolution and sharpness of film.. Even now when I shoot for money I use film..
    11-07-2014 07:35 PM
  15. black_thorne's Avatar
    Both were held, which in real world I would say is exactly what you would do with a camera phone. If it were a comparison of a Nikon and a Canon DSLR in low lighting, then I would agree a tripod would be of use. Not for camera phones.

    Yes, cropping will bring out imperfections, which is exactly why I cropped them. You can see all the imperfections in both images. It also brings out what the other can't do in the exact same situation.

    The main reason for this comparison is because of the implication of not knowing how to use the S5 with all of its 'features'. The point is, it's a camera phone that is meant to be point and shoot.
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    11-07-2014 07:45 PM
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