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  1. clevin's Avatar
    The S Pen features are part of TouchWiz on the Note line. You can't have the S Pen specific features without TouchWiz. Not sure why that's hard to understand.
    Maybe there is some misunderstanding here. The question is, do you know if S-pen functions can work without the presence of TW.

    Even though s-pen comes with Note, it doesn't mean TW is required for s-pen to function. TW, after all is only a launcher, there are numerous people still uses s-pen with a different launcher on Note 4, you can check the note 4 board here at AC to see this.
    03-09-2015 03:24 PM
  2. UJ95x's Avatar
    Maybe there is some misunderstanding here. The question is, do you know if S-pen functions can work without the presence of TW.

    Even though s-pen comes with Note, it doesn't mean TW is required for s-pen to function. TW, after all is only a launcher, there are numerous people still uses s-pen with a different launcher on Note 4, you can check the note 4 board here at AC to see this.
    TouchWiz is definitely not just a launcher.
    03-09-2015 03:28 PM
  3. clevin's Avatar
    TouchWiz is definitely not just a launcher.
    sure, what is it then? and what make s-pen stop function w/o TW?
    03-09-2015 03:30 PM
  4. dpham00's Avatar
    Maybe there is some misunderstanding here. The question is, do you know if S-pen functions can work without the presence of TW.

    Even though s-pen comes with Note, it doesn't mean TW is required for s-pen to function. TW, after all is only a launcher, there are numerous people still uses s-pen with a different launcher on Note 4, you can check the note 4 board here at AC to see this.
    My understanding is that certain stock widgets won't work on the note 4 if you change launcher.

    With regards to the s pen, my understanding is that you have to have a tw based rom, otherwise the s pen might not function fully.
    Ry likes this.
    03-09-2015 03:31 PM
  5. unashamedgeek's Avatar
    In regards to the S-Pen, I'm not sure if the Note phone line is different, but I have a Note 8.0 WiFi edition. I flashed CM on it and the spen still worked as a device for input. However, I lost some of the functionality that worked with it. For example, apps worked ok with it such as Papyrus, but using the pen to draw carry out a task like copy and paste an image, no longer worked. I'm trying to explain how you can use the spen to draw a circle around something on the screen to copy it and then you can paste that image somewhere else. I hope that makes senses as for some reason I'm having difficulty explaining it.

    In short, apps still worked with the spen, but I lost some of the little tweaks that appear to be baked into Samsung's ROM.
    03-09-2015 03:36 PM
  6. clevin's Avatar
    With regards to the s pen, my understanding is that you have to have a tw based rom, otherwise the s pen might not function fully.
    In regards to the S-Pen, I'm not sure if the Note phone line is different, but I have a Note 8.0 WiFi edition. I flashed CM on it and the spen still worked as a device for input. However, I lost some of the functionality that worked with it. For example, apps worked ok with it such as Papyrus, but using the pen to draw carry out a task like copy and paste an image, no longer worked. I'm trying to explain how you can use the spen to draw a circle around something on the screen to copy it and then you can paste that image somewhere else. I hope that makes senses as for some reason I'm having difficulty explaining it.

    In short, apps still worked with the spen, but I lost some of the little tweaks that appear to be baked into Samsung's ROM.
    appreciate it!

    Maybe sammy did imposed limitation and put some fundamental drivers into TW package. Would be good to know exactly what it is, so maybe developers can extract it and make s-pen function w/o TW.
    03-09-2015 03:42 PM
  7. unashamedgeek's Avatar
    appreciate it!

    Maybe sammy did imposed limitation and put some fundamental drivers into TW package. Would be good to know exactly what it is, so maybe developers can extract it and make s-pen function w/o TW.
    I do know that Samsung offers and spen SDK for developers to get their apps to work with the spen, but I haven't heard anything about it providing access to do the things baked into the ROM. Would be cool that if developers could bring that functionality across all ROMs. Would make my Note 8.0 not feel like such a paperweight.
    03-09-2015 03:50 PM
  8. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    500? First hard drive ever was a 10 megabyte hard drive on an mfm controller for an xt pc. My next hard drive was the 80 megabyte that came with my 386 sx. Thought I would never fill either of those 2 early drives but was just as wrong as Bill Gates saying that we would never need more than 640 k of RAM.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
    I just remember my first hard-drive and thinking how huge it was then.
    03-09-2015 06:02 PM
  9. Climb14er's Avatar
    Yeah... my first HD was 10mb... when it jumped to 20mb then 30mb... I felt astonished.

    Just like my first cellular phone, McCaw Cellular plan... THIRTY minutes for fifty bucks.

    We've come a really long way!
    03-09-2015 06:33 PM
  10. mountainbikermark's Avatar
    The S Pen features are part of TouchWiz on the Note line. You can't have the S Pen specific features without TouchWiz. Not sure why that's hard to understand.
    Not sure if it's developers that don't take advantage or Samsung blocks them from doing so but the s pen is this
    http://www.wacom-components.com/engl...ology/emr.html
    and according to Android Authority all apps are capable of using the s pen but just don't.
    http://www.androidauthority.com/brea...n-work-154435/
    03-09-2015 07:44 PM
  11. droidguy1964's Avatar
    Check out screenshots of lollipop and S6/Edge's screenshots. I cannot believe that I am saying this but Touchwiz looks better than "stock" Android on Nexus.

    You're getting caught up in the drama.. .take a deep breath.
    03-09-2015 07:57 PM
  12. jcp007's Avatar
    You're getting caught up in the drama.. .take a deep breath.
    As much as I want a minimalist TouchWiz, I wouldn't go that far.
    03-09-2015 08:09 PM
  13. Ry's Avatar
    Not sure if it's developers that don't take advantage or Samsung blocks them from doing so but the s pen is this
    Wacom Components : Input Technology : EMR® Technology
    and according to Android Authority all apps are capable of using the s pen but just don't.
    Break It Down - How Does The S Pen Work?
    Chicken vs. egg problem. I feel that unless Samsung is going to help market your app because of an S Pen feature, it doesn't make sense for most developers to build in support.

    That said, on the Note line of phones, there are features in TouchWiz that you need the S Pen for.
    03-10-2015 12:23 PM
  14. UJ95x's Avatar
    sure, what is it then? and what make s-pen stop function w/o TW?
    TouchWiz is Samsung's version of Android. It includes all of their apps, security features like Knox which prevent you from flashing non-Samsung firmware, among other things. The S-Pen stops working without TouchWiz because it requires the framework that Samsung included in their ROM. That's why you can still get some features to work when you change launchers
    03-10-2015 01:53 PM
  15. Stanley Kubrick's Avatar
    We still talking about price? I will buy the 128 GB version. I figure since it's already costing a small fortune might as well go full bore! Besides, after spending so much...what's a couple of hundred more? Also, just think of resale people...more money out front is going to mean more money coming back.
    03-10-2015 02:18 PM
  16. mountainman's Avatar
    Since the rumored prices are putting the Edge about $150 more than the equivalent S6, here is probably something closer to reality.... taken from my OP.

    On Contract price

    Galaxy S6 32GB -- $200 -- iPhone6 16GB
    Galaxy S6 64GB -- $300 -- iPhone6 64GB
    Galaxy S6 128GB -- $400 -- iPhone6 128GB

    Edge version:

    S6 Edge 32GB -- $350
    S6 Edge 64GB -- $450
    S6 Edge 128GB -- $550

    That is insane.
    03-16-2015 08:34 AM
  17. Alex_NJ's Avatar
    What do you think that means for the price of the handset purchase alone?
    03-16-2015 08:40 AM
  18. corye's Avatar
    Since the rumored prices are putting the Edge about $150 more than the equivalent S6, here is probably something closer to reality.... taken from my OP.

    On Contract price

    Galaxy S6 32GB -- $200 -- iPhone6 16GB
    Galaxy S6 64GB -- $300 -- iPhone6 64GB
    Galaxy S6 128GB -- $400 -- iPhone6 128GB

    Edge version:

    S6 Edge 32GB -- $350
    S6 Edge 64GB -- $450
    S6 Edge 128GB -- $550

    That is insane.
    I like the look of the Edge, but there's no way I'm paying an extra $150 for it. I think $50 is my cut-off point.
    03-16-2015 09:07 AM
  19. Alex_NJ's Avatar
    I like the look of the Edge, but there's no way I'm paying an extra $150 for it. I think $50 is my cut-off point.
    I think to justify the R&D, design and production costs of bringing out a more desirable phone which has the same specs as another model in their line, they would definitely have to charge $150+ more for it to make it a profitable product
    03-16-2015 09:21 AM
  20. corye's Avatar
    I think to justify the R&D, design and production costs of bringing out a more desirable phone which has the same specs as another model in their line, they would definitely have to charge $150+ more for it to make it a profitable product
    Makes sense, but the cost isn't worth the questionable benefits to me yet. The price will drop eventually, so maybe when the S7 or S8 comes out, the price jump will be minimal enough for me to take the leap.
    03-16-2015 09:25 AM
  21. jcp007's Avatar
    Plan on selling my GS4 and using a Best Buy gift card to get the 64GB for the 32GB price.

    Posted via My Samsung Galaxy S4 Handheld Device
    03-16-2015 01:01 PM
  22. STEVESKI07's Avatar
    Since the rumored prices are putting the Edge about $150 more than the equivalent S6, here is probably something closer to reality.... taken from my OP.

    On Contract price

    Galaxy S6 32GB -- $200 -- iPhone6 16GB
    Galaxy S6 64GB -- $300 -- iPhone6 64GB
    Galaxy S6 128GB -- $400 -- iPhone6 128GB

    Edge version:

    S6 Edge 32GB -- $350
    S6 Edge 64GB -- $450
    S6 Edge 128GB -- $550

    That is insane.
    It's just a guess, but I think the on contract price will probably only be a $100 difference. I think the full retail price will be $150 more.
    03-16-2015 01:39 PM
  23. Alex_NJ's Avatar
    I have just looked at the prices of the Note 4 Edge here in the UK and the prices are scarily high compared to the newly announced M9.

    I hope that the S6 Edge isn't inline with the Note 4 Edge pricing
    03-16-2015 01:41 PM
  24. jcp007's Avatar
    I have just looked at the prices of the Note 4 Edge here in the UK and the prices are scarily high compared to the newly announced M9.

    I hope that the S6 Edge isn't inline with the Note 4 Edge pricing
    Saw an article where the M9 heated to more than 130 degrees Fahrenheit. Talk about a hot phone.

    Posted via My Samsung Galaxy S4 Handheld Device
    03-16-2015 04:21 PM
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