[dpham00]

I put this together based on the FCC filings. If you see any errors, please let me know.

[Almeuit]

Looks like they're going to the Turbo way (Verizon that is) ... VoLTE required for voice and data. I believe someone was asking about that... The Note 4 was the last device to have Voice and Data without VoLTE needed right dpham?

[dpham00]

Looks like they're going to the Turbo way (Verizon that is) ... VoLTE required for voice and data. I believe someone was asking about that... The Note 4 was the last device to have Voice and Data without VoLTE needed right dpham?

Yes, AFAIK, this is the case. I suspect that future Verizon phones will continue this trend as it saves them money.

[dpham00]

[othersteve]

This is unfortunate, as it's the same reason (one of the primary ones anyway) that I cancelled my Droid Turbo order. Seeing as I run a business and am frequently in situations where I am on the phone with a client and using the internet (navigation, ordering equipment for the client, etc.), this is essentially a deal-breaker for me, at least until VoLTE becomes more reliable and there is no reason to continue using CDMA.

Guess I'm sticking with the S4 still for the near future...

[linebusy]

First, I have to say, dpham00 is a most excellent individual for putting that together.
And, Almeuit, that was me mentioning this in the thread you had participated in.

I'm absolutely horrified by this development.

My RMHD has sustained me even today as I've rode shotgun, talking and hotspotting my laptop literally all day from Flint, MI to Kalamazoo.

Can't do that with anything new. Seems bizarre to even say that.

[chevyman29]

This is unfortunate, as it's the same reason (one of the primary ones anyway) that I cancelled my Droid Turbo order. Seeing as I run a business and am frequently in situations where I am on the phone with a client and using the internet (navigation, ordering equipment for the client, etc.), this is essentially a deal-breaker for me, at least until VoLTE becomes more reliable and there is no reason to continue using CDMA.
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Guess I'm sticking with the S4 still for the near future...

I am in the exact same situation with my business. I guess I will stick with the note 4 until Verizon gets all the bugs worked out of volte. what a huge bummer. I was really hoping Samsung wouldn't go this route

[unashamedgeek]

Can anyone that understands all of this say how well it is set up for TMobile?

[Almeuit]

I am in the exact same situation with my business. I guess I will stick with the note 4 until Verizon gets all the bugs worked out of volte. what a huge bummer. I was really hoping Samsung wouldn't go this route

I don't think it is Samsung causing them to go down this route .. It is Verizon.

[Almeuit]

Can anyone that understands all of this say how well it is set up for TMobile?

T-Mobile is fine. GSM (HSPA) can handle voice and data with one radio .. so we are fine. Verizon has an issue since CDMA can only handle a call, or data -- not both. That is why they need VoLTE to use the LTE for voice + data at the same time.

[chevyman29]

T-Mobile is fine. GSM (HSPA) can handle voice and data with one radio .. so we are fine. Verizon has an issue since CDMA can only handle a call, or data -- not both. That is why they need VoLTE to use the LTE for voice + data at the same time.

your probably right . but to me its a step back from what we had.

[Almeuit]

your probably right . but to me its a step back from what we had.

Verizon did it for at least these 2 reasons.

1 - It is cheaper to make the phone

2 - They want everyone to shift to VoLTE. This way they can eventually (not for years to come I am sure) shut down the CDMA network.

[road_kill]

T-Mobile is fine. GSM (HSPA) can handle voice and data with one radio .. so we are fine. Verizon has an issue since CDMA can only handle a call, or data -- not both. That is why they need VoLTE to use the LTE for voice + data at the same time.

May i ask how, i mean when i had sprint with the palm pre i was able to do voice+data on that device so i dont see how it cant be done. Just saying

[Inders99]

I guess I don't get this whole thing, my GS3 can handle call and I can look up stuff on the internet at the same time...you mean the S6 can't?

[Almeuit]

May i ask how, i mean when i had sprint with the palm pre i was able to do voice+data on that device so i dont see how it cant be done. Just saying

I guess I don't get this whole thing, my GS3 can handle call and I can look up stuff on the internet at the same time...you mean the S6 can't?

Easy.

The older phones had two CDMA radios put in them (such as the S3 on Sprint). One dedicated to voice -- another dedicated to data. Therefore you could do voice and data. GSM has always been one radio .. because that one radio can do both tasks at the same time. They got around it on CDMA by simply adding another radio in there and dedicating each one to one task.

Now a days they're getting rid of that second CDMA radio. So therefore you can only use talk, or data -- not both at the same time. Now if you're using VoLTE it will allow voice and data since the call will be going through LTE (as data) and .. data will be data. So it is technically then all data.


Make sense? .

[road_kill]

Easy.

The older phones had two CDMA radios put in them (such as the S3 on Sprint). One dedicated to voice -- another dedicated to data. Therefore you could do voice and data. GSM has always been one radio .. because that one radio can do both tasks at the same time. They got around it on CDMA by simply adding another radio in there and dedicating each one to one task.

Now a days they're getting rid of that second CDMA radio. So therefore you can only use talk, or data -- not both at the same time. Now if you're using VoLTE it will allow voice and data since the call will be going through LTE (as data) and .. data will be data. So it is technically then all data.


Make sense? .

Yep.

[Inders99]

Now a days they're getting rid of that second CDMA radio.

Is "they" Verizon, Samsung?

[PsychDoc]

How widespread is VoLTE coverage?

[Almeuit]

Is "they" Verizon, Samsung?

I can almost say with certainty that Verizon is telling Samsung to remove it so they can push people to VoLTE -- and Samsung will listen since they want their phone to be approved on Verizon.

[dpham00]

First, I have to say, dpham00 is a most excellent individual for putting that together.
And, Almeuit, that was me mentioning this in the thread you had participated in.

I'm absolutely horrified by this development.

My RMHD has sustained me even today as I've rode shotgun, talking and hotspotting my laptop literally all day from Flint, MI to Kalamazoo.

Can't do that with anything new. Seems bizarre to even say that.

Best bet would be the note 4, if you need svlte.

[dpham00]

I guess I don't get this whole thing, my GS3 can handle call and I can look up stuff on the internet at the same time...you mean the S6 can't?

The s3 also supported svdo in addition to svlte. Svdo is voice and data over 3g. I believe that the s3 was the last phone to support this. As you why, it is a cost issue. And sometime in the future Verizon will remove cdma support completely. It is not just the hardware, but cdma is proprietary technology and Verizon /Samsung have to pay qualcomm royalties on each cdma device.

[dpham00]

I can almost say with certainty that Verizon is telling Samsung to remove it so they can push people to VoLTE -- and Samsung will listen since they want their phone to be approved on Verizon.

Most definitely Verizon. Verizon asked Samsung to add another antenna on the note 4 which is why there is a patch on the right lower side, which isn't on the att or tmobile version. The mic hole was also moved on the note 4

[linebusy]

Best bet would be the note 4, if you need svlte.

Thanks again for the info you provided.
I've thought about the Note.
I've thought about keeping a 2nd dedicated device in the auto.
I've looked at the maps and tried to determine if I'm over-reacting.
My conclusion is: time to bury the hatchet with AT&T and give them a try again. Their coverage in Michigan should rival Verizon's at this point for reliable voice conversations, so there's no sense in struggling with Verizon as they transition over to packet switched voice. When the Verizon map shows less "extended" (read; may drop to 3G) areas that I frequently traverse, I may go back.

[linebusy]

How widespread is VoLTE coverage?

Should be wherever you have 4g service. If you have solid 4g service, turn on Advanced Calling and don't look back. If you're in and out of "extended" areas (or drop to 3g when entering certain buildings), then you're complaining like me.

[npaladin-2000]

What's the word on international band support?