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  1. SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl's Avatar
    Bolded part: Not true, in my opinion. I'd guess that within two years, phone cameras (on high end, flag ship models) will be indistinguishable from DSLRs when it comes to the finished, pre-post-work photos. However, SLRs will still have better quality due to their lenses, which is an areas with which phones will never be able to compete.

    Point and shoot cameras are pretty much dead. I don't know why anyone would have one unless they simply cannot afford a modern smartphone. DSLRs are going to be niche markets for professional, prosumers, and soccer mom's that don't know they can get 94% of what they need from their iPhone 8S (because in my biased opinions, soccer moms buy iPhones and Nikons).

    Side note: If the G4 had a fingerprint scanner, it would have been my choice.
    I think it may be true that in a few years smart phone cameras may be as good as DSLRs in certain situations. I think eventually, DLSR cameras/mirrorless cameras as we know them may go the way of film cameras as phone manufacturers have a signficant incentive to improve their cameras and fit them into the space available. This may mean that they end up with arrays of small lenses and sensors that allow for software to create images in entirely different ways than traditional single sensor/single lens cameras. I don't think that is happening in 2 years but maybe 10 or so.

    Eventually, the big camera companies (Canon/Nikon and others) are going to have adopt much of he same technology to survive. There will always, imo be room for dedicated professional level cameras (in some form) becuase professionals don't need to pull their camera out of their pockets to take pictures at weddings and sporting events, etc. They do need the cameras to be ergonomic and able to work with off camera lighting etc.

    Point and shoot cameras still have a place at this point due to comparatively massive zoom capabilities and adjustable f stops compared to phones fixed f stop, fixed focal lengths. If you think your phone camera can do these things as well as good point and shoot cameras you just haven't used a good "point and shoot" camera recently.
    05-08-2015 02:40 PM
  2. jcp007's Avatar
    It's interesting how different some of these battery reports are. It's important to note that the US model actually took a step back in battery size to 2900 mah and isn't being tested by these reviewers as it pertains to the G4. Although 100 mah isn't a huge difference, it will affect the total life you get out of the G4.

    In my opinion, with both phones running 5.1 or 5.1.1, the S6/Edge will probably be pretty close to the G4 in battery life, either better or worse in some scenarios. With the G4, you get a removable battery and no quick charging. With the S6, you get adaptive fast charging and no removable battery. For me? Give me the S6 over the G4 in this category. I can charge my phone for 20 minutes a day if I'm running low and not have to worry about it. I can also charge wirelessly out of the box. I don't feel I should have to spend $30-50 for a spare battery/spare battery charger and the same for a wireless charging back to compensate.

    Posted via Galaxy S6 edge
    How could they omit built-in wirless charging? They could have at least included the accessory instead of making their owners buy them. Wonder if the accessory will include both wireless charging standard.
    05-08-2015 02:46 PM
  3. SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl's Avatar
    How could they omit built-in wirless charging? They could have at least included the accessory instead of making their owners buy them. Wonder if the accessory will include both wireless charging standard.
    I am guessing that it was to save costs and allow them to spend money on other things while still hitting a price point/margin requirement. I would have loved to see built in wireless but I don't think it is a big deal that it isn't there given the other features the phone does have.
    05-08-2015 02:54 PM
  4. jcp007's Avatar
    I am guessing that it was to save costs and allow them to spend money on other things while still hitting a price point/margin requirement. I would have loved to see built in wireless but I don't think it is a big deal that it isn't there given the other features the phone does have.
    True. But wirless charging isn't the only feature omitted.
    05-08-2015 02:57 PM
  5. Adranalyne's Avatar
    How could they omit built-in wirless charging? They could have at least included the accessory instead of making their owners buy them. Wonder if the accessory will include both wireless charging standard.
    I'm not that concerned with the wireless charging omission. What's more egregious to me is the lack of quick charging. That was beyond dumb.

    Posted via Galaxy S6 edge
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    05-08-2015 02:59 PM
  6. Cobravision's Avatar
    Just read the AC review, and it's the first one to describe how the HDR mode works on the G4 (multiple shots processed by software). I'm still baffled that people gloss over the real time HDR on the S6 like it's no big deal -- it's a HUGE deal, and even if the G4 consistently captured better pictures (which it doesn't), I'd pick the S6 for real-time HDR. Being able to use HDR on moving objects is a gigantic difference between the cameras.
    05-08-2015 03:00 PM
  7. Adranalyne's Avatar
    Just read the AC review, and it's the first one to describe how the HDR mode works on the G4 (multiple shots processed by software). I'm still baffled that people gloss over the real time HDR on the S6 like it's no big deal -- it's a HUGE deal, and even if the G4 consistently captured better pictures (which it doesn't), I'd pick the S6 for real-time HDR. Being able to use HDR on moving objects is a gigantic difference between the cameras.
    The S6 is also more consistent in it's use of HDR on auto mode than the G4. You can't fully trust the G4's auto mode like you can the S6.

    Posted via Galaxy S6 edge
    05-08-2015 03:20 PM
  8. SCjRqrQCnBQ19QoYCtdl's Avatar
    Yeah, the HDR mode is one strength of the s6. Unfortunately though, Samsung kind of shot themselves in the foot by not having an SD card. The RAW capture of the g4 is a huge deal and it also creates huge files. Even if Samsung fights back by implementing a RAW mode, you are going to be pinched by the lack of storage for the files.
    05-08-2015 04:31 PM
  9. Bodzm's Avatar
    How could they omit built-in wirless charging? They could have at least included the accessory instead of making their owners buy them. Wonder if the accessory will include both wireless charging standard.
    That's a pretty attractive feature, so it's pretty annoying HTC do the same thing with the M9 and expect you to forkout for a quick charger. Samsung did good to include it in the box - you have everything from the get go to get started. Quick charge is more important than wireless charging so I don't think many would be too disgruntled to not have a charging pad included.

    Yeah, the HDR mode is one strength of the s6. Unfortunately though, Samsung kind of shot themselves in the foot by not having an SD card. The RAW capture of the g4 is a huge deal and it also creates huge files. Even if Samsung fights back by implementing a RAW mode, you are going to be pinched by the lack of storage for the files.
    Exactly. Also add on 4k video recording. That eats up space really quickly. A 64gb model iPhone 6 makes sense - that's quite a lot of storage for most people; it does not do RAW images, no 4k. On the S6 64gb, the value is much more diminished.
    05-08-2015 05:01 PM
  10. majgaard's Avatar
    Has the G4 camera been upgraded a lot since the G3? Wasn't impressed with the G3's camera vs. GS6.
    05-09-2015 08:09 AM
  11. jcp007's Avatar
    Has the G4 camera been upgraded a lot since the G3? Wasn't impressed with the G3's camera vs. GS6.
    They added three axis OIS and a larger aperture. Maybe it's just an early firmware version but GS6 pictures look better. There is also RAW output support which is coming with 5.1.1.
    05-09-2015 08:35 AM
  12. Bodzm's Avatar
    We can cross quick charging off the list of S6 advantages now. G4 supports 2.0 quick charge

    http://m.androidcentral.com/lg-g4-su...e-20-after-all

    Posted via the Android Central App
    05-11-2015 01:44 PM
  13. jcp007's Avatar
    We can cross quick charging off the list of S6 advantages now. G4 supports 2.0 quick charge

    http://m.androidcentral.com/lg-g4-su...e-20-after-all

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Wonder why it wasn't available with the initial test units?

    Posted via My Samsung Galaxy S6 Handheld Device
    05-11-2015 01:47 PM
  14. Bodzm's Avatar
    Wonder why it wasn't available with the initial test units?

    Posted via My Samsung Galaxy S6 Handheld Device
    Pre production units. I think they changed their mind upon feedback but surely the phone is well into production if it's getting a June release? Who knows. It's confusing. All those press reviews and youtube reviews now contain misinformation which LG can't amend. Bad PR. On the other hand only us geeks would take notice of Quick Charge.
    05-11-2015 01:53 PM
  15. Aquila's Avatar
    We can cross quick charging off the list of S6 advantages now. G4 supports 2.0 quick charge

    The LG G4 supports Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 after all! | Android Central

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Wasn't that the entire list? Oh, wireless charging. Some people might not want a case, so wireless charging is still an issue. Are there more issues?
    05-11-2015 02:11 PM
  16. getbretweir's Avatar
    It's interesting how different some of these battery reports are. It's important to note that the US model actually took a step back in battery size to 2900 mah and isn't being tested by these reviewers as it pertains to the G4. Although 100 mah isn't a huge difference, it will affect the total life you get out of the G4.

    In my opinion, with both phones running 5.1 or 5.1.1, the S6/Edge will probably be pretty close to the G4 in battery life, either better or worse in some scenarios. With the G4, you get a removable battery and no quick charging. With the S6, you get adaptive fast charging and no removable battery. For me? Give me the S6 over the G4 in this category. I can charge my phone for 20 minutes a day if I'm running low and not have to worry about it. I can also charge wirelessly out of the box. I don't feel I should have to spend $30-50 for a spare battery/spare battery charger and the same for a wireless charging back to compensate.

    Posted via Galaxy S6 edge
    "it will affect the total life you get out of the G4"

    that's a bit misleading (not that u meant it to be). it will affect the total life you get out of the battery, not the G4. replaceable battery is a big deal as most consumers won't know they can replace their battery via Samsung for $45, they just get a new phone, possibly not even knowing it's just a battery issue ... the sales rep sure as hell isn't gonna tell the truth.

    $15 and 30 seconds, G4 is as good as new

    Posted via the Android Central App
    05-11-2015 03:12 PM
  17. getbretweir's Avatar
    It's interesting how different some of these battery reports are. It's important to note that the US model actually took a step back in battery size to 2900 mah and isn't being tested by these reviewers as it pertains to the G4. Although 100 mah isn't a huge difference, it will affect the total life you get out of the G4.

    In my opinion, with both phones running 5.1 or 5.1.1, the S6/Edge will probably be pretty close to the G4 in battery life, either better or worse in some scenarios. With the G4, you get a removable battery and no quick charging. With the S6, you get adaptive fast charging and no removable battery. For me? Give me the S6 over the G4 in this category. I can charge my phone for 20 minutes a day if I'm running low and not have to worry about it. I can also charge wirelessly out of the box. I don't feel I should have to spend $30-50 for a spare battery/spare battery charger and the same for a wireless charging back to compensate.

    Posted via Galaxy S6 edge
    but your OK with either having to spend $45 for a replacement or buy a new phone in 12 months cause your battery is dead?

    Posted via the Android Central App
    05-11-2015 03:16 PM
  18. chezm's Avatar
    "it will affect the total life you get out of the G4"

    that's a bit misleading (not that u meant it to be). it will affect the total life you get out of the battery, not the G4. replaceable battery is a big deal as most consumers won't know they can replace their battery via Samsung for $45, they just get a new phone, possibly not even knowing it's just a battery issue ... the sales rep sure as hell isn't gonna tell the truth.

    $15 and 30 seconds, G4 is as good as new

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Where did you hear $45 to replace S6 battery?
    05-11-2015 03:18 PM
  19. getbretweir's Avatar
    Wasn't that the entire list? Oh, wireless charging. Some people might not want a case, so wireless charging is still an issue. Are there more issues?
    now it'll be that it's not included. what's hysterical is in 12 months, all the S6 owners are gonna pay $45 for a replacement battery, or just get a new phone. meanwhile G4 owners will simply throw in a $15 fresh battery, and in 30 seconds, good as new.

    I'm not falling for the "energy efficient" marketing strategy. then again, I plan on getting 3 years out of my next device. if my phones only last 6-12 months, is consider the S6, but 2+ years, not a chance.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    05-11-2015 03:24 PM
  20. getbretweir's Avatar
    Where did you hear $45 to replace S6 battery?
    http://www.techtimes.com/articles/46...ost-you-45.htm

    Posted via the Android Central App
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    05-11-2015 03:26 PM
  21. getbretweir's Avatar
    I absolutely love the physical home button, and only "like" the capacitive buttons. I find that sometimes when you go to hold the phone sideways/landscape, you have to hold the phone on the rim and not let your finger/thumb touch one of the capacitive buttons. Not a huge deal, but it does mess me up every once in a while ... and when you hand your phone to someone else to take a pic of you and your wife and/or kids - and that person is not used to those buttons being there - what almost always happens is they look at you and say "uh oh ... I think I messed something up" ... meaning, they probably hit the "back" button and the camera turned off LOL.

    That said, the physical fingerprint scanner home button is awesome, and I wouldn't trade it at all. I also think that while those physical buttons take up some room that might have possibly been able to be more screen size/space, or make the phone shorter by eliminating that space, it's a good trade-off for me. I find the S6 to be perfect size (it's just a TINY bit taller than my S4) ... and the screen size is more than adequate for me.

    As for cameras, I find that my S4 took pictures that were plenty good enough for me - at least quality wise. The big improvement I would like to see is good optical zoom. That's the biggest hurdle I think smartphones have to overcome, since (from the little I know) that would take a "thicker" lens set or arrangement to get a stronger true optical zoom ... and then we end up with even thicker phone bumps on the back of our phones.

    In the end, I will admit that while I love the thinness of the S6, and the quality of the camera, I would have probably been happier with a slightly lesser camera and a thicker phone (with bigger battery) so that the phone was perfectly flat on the back. To ME, that would have been the best thing ever. I love running phones w/out cases, and am "afraid" to run my S6 w/out a case strictly because of the huge camera bump on the back.

    The fact that the back of the phone is glass doesn't help that either, but I get the reason - wireless charging. It's just w/ the glass back, and the camera bump, I feel like the phone is going to be too easily knocked around and broken. If it would at least lay flat (like my iPhone 4S did, with a glass back), I would feel MUCH more at ease w/ running the phone w/out a case. I did that for a couple of years and never had an issue with a glass back.
    I agree with the physical home button, especially with the fingerprint scanner. it amazes me that so many people prefer on screen instead. looks wise, I'd agree, but in terms of functionality and feel, I love having a home button

    Posted via the Android Central App
    05-11-2015 03:33 PM
  22. chezm's Avatar
    I agree with the physical home button, especially with the fingerprint scanner. it amazes me that so many people prefer on screen instead. looks wise, I'd agree, but in terms of functionality and feel, I love having a home button

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Same. After being away from no "home" button for a very long time, coming back to it is a breathe of fresh air. The fact that it includes the fingerprint scanner AND takes no realestate from the screen makes me very pleased and prefer physical over on-screen.
    05-11-2015 03:40 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm one who strongly prefers on screen - to the point where I don't consider one with physical buttons a viable purchase option. I get the appeal of them, I just can't go back.
    05-11-2015 03:49 PM
  24. Almeuit's Avatar
    now it'll be that it's not included. what's hysterical is in 12 months, all the S6 owners are gonna pay $45 for a replacement battery, or just get a new phone. meanwhile G4 owners will simply throw in a $15 fresh battery, and in 30 seconds, good as new.

    I'm not falling for the "energy efficient" marketing strategy. then again, I plan on getting 3 years out of my next device. if my phones only last 6-12 months, is consider the S6, but 2+ years, not a chance.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Where do you have information about everyone's batteries dying after 12 months of use and they absolutely have to get them replaced? I haven't ever heard of this.
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    05-11-2015 03:53 PM
  25. smooth4lyfe's Avatar
    I agree with the physical home button, especially with the fingerprint scanner. it amazes me that so many people prefer on screen instead. looks wise, I'd agree, but in terms of functionality and feel, I love having a home button

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Coming from the Xperia Z3 which has on-screen, it really isn't much of a difference to me except for the visual appeal. Both function the same and have the same purpose.

    I know some people feel more secure with a physical home button in case of software crashes, where the screen freezes up and you can't even press anything on-screen, even the buttons
    05-11-2015 03:54 PM
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