05-25-2015 04:54 PM
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  1. danthman's Avatar
    Then wait for the next Google phone with Vanilla android to release.
    Again, just because I have one complaint that I voice doesn't mean I want to ditch the phone!

    I'm not going to wait for another phone that will have a different set of problems. Rather, I just hope Google and Samsung both continue to improve their products and services and integrate them together more tightly.
    05-22-2015 05:37 PM
  2. Kalvin Kerns's Avatar
    Again, just because I have one complaint that I voice doesn't mean I want to ditch the phone!

    I'm not going to wait for another phone that will have a different set of problems. Rather, I just hope Google and Samsung both continue to improve their products and services and integrate them together more tightly.
    It's a valid complaint.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    05-22-2015 06:04 PM
  3. danthman's Avatar
    I think OP has a point in that this is a general usability issue, especially for new Android users. There are multiple options for a lot of things (my phone came with: two web browsers, two email apps, two music players, two photo apps, two PDF readers(my phone did not come with Dropbox preinstalled)). In these cases, you have a stock Android version and a Samsung version. I don't know how you get around this. OEMs are going to want to install their versions, and Google will insist that certain Google Android apps get installed. Some users prefer the choices, others would prefer not to have it. I, personally would be annoyed if they took away the choices, like Verizon did with browser, taking away the Samsung browser.
    Ultimately, I'd be happier if all Android phones were Nexus (or "pure Android") phones, and Samsung, LG, Motorola, and HTC just concentrated on making great hardware. If they want to make software too, fine, they should put it up in the Play store where I can learn more about it before downloading and installing it. That's the kind of choice I'd like. Give me a seamless stock Android experience with any device, but let me choose to download any enhancement I want to that experience.
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    05-22-2015 06:04 PM
  4. jcp007's Avatar
    Ultimately, I'd be happier if all Android phones were Nexus (or "pure Android") phones, and Samsung, LG, Motorola, and HTC just concentrated on making great hardware. If they want to make software too, fine, they should put it up in the Play store where I can learn more about it before downloading and installing it. That's the kind of choice I'd like. Give me a seamless stock Android experience with any device, but let me choose to download any enhancement I want to that experience.
    If stock Android is your desire, wait for the Nexus device. Google allows,the other brands to apply their own UI. If you don't want a Nexus device, pick the brand with a UI that suit you best. Google and Samsung made a first step of many that I hope will lead to very thin UI and is more compliant from a design perspective. Coming from a GS4, it was refreshing to be able to download certain features and disabling others. I would have preferred to uninstall them and add them back by downloading them on an ad hoc basis.
    05-22-2015 06:42 PM
  5. danthman's Avatar
    If stock Android is your desire, wait for the Nexus device. Google allows,the other brands to apply their own UI. If you don't want a Nexus device, pick the brand with a UI that suit you best. Google and Samsung made a first step of many that I hope will lead to very thin UI and is more compliant from a design perspective. Coming from a GS4, it was refreshing to be able to download certain features and disabling others. I would have preferred to uninstall them and add them back by downloading them on an ad hoc basis.
    I like the pureness of the Nexus UI, but I significantly prefer the S6 device.
    05-22-2015 08:28 PM
  6. jcp007's Avatar
    I like the pureness of the Nexus UI, but I significantly prefer the S6 device.
    Compare and contrast in terms of why you prefer the GS6.
    05-22-2015 08:49 PM
  7. danthman's Avatar
    Compare and contrast in terms of why you prefer the GS6.
    Nexus 6 - too big

    Moto X - poor camera, poor battery life

    GS6
    pros: great screen, great camera, fingerprint sensor, quick charging, heart rate sensor, IR transmitter, (eventually) Samsung pay, nice form factor/size/weight
    cons: battery life, bloat, some bugs/glitches
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    05-23-2015 02:38 AM
  8. I Can Be Your Hero's Avatar
    Ultimately, I'd be happier if all Android phones were Nexus (or "pure Android") phones, and Samsung, LG, Motorola, and HTC just concentrated on making great hardware. If they want to make software too, fine, they should put it up in the Play store where I can learn more about it before downloading and installing it. That's the kind of choice I'd like. Give me a seamless stock Android experience with any device, but let me choose to download any enhancement I want to that experience.
    That would be nice but then it would be harder for manufacturers to differentiate from one another. The extra software addons are features the OEM adds to try and value-add to entice customers to buying their products.

    I personally like stock Nexus and HTC's Sense software the most. The others just aren't as good as those two in my opinion.

    I'm in agreement with your sentiments with apps. Just give us the basics and let me the consumer explore and add apps to my desire. Having so many mail and messaging apps for example is just unnecessary.

    Sent from my Nexus 9 using Tapatalk
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    05-23-2015 03:03 AM
  9. jcp007's Avatar
    Nexus 6 - too big

    Moto X - poor camera, poor battery life

    GS6
    pros: great screen, great camera, fingerprint sensor, quick charging, heart rate sensor, IR transmitter, (eventually) Samsung pay, nice form factor/size/weight
    cons: battery life, bloat, some bugs/glitches
    Hopefully, some of your issues may be addressed in the upcoming update. Just my opinion based only upon what I have read in posts and news stories.
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    05-23-2015 08:09 AM
  10. Raptor007's Avatar
    The answer was yes we were and yes they did put less in there form Samsung. The problem is, will always be and will never change is the Carriers stick their bloatware on the device. AT&T has 23+ apps of, Verizon has 11+ apps and so on. I disable a ton of garbage apps and even if you could delete them by rooting you will not get the space back since that is partitioned out for the OS which the bloatware is factored into.
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    05-23-2015 08:20 PM
  11. jcp007's Avatar
    The answer was yes we were and yes they did put less in there form Samsung. The problem is, will always be and will never change is the Carriers stick their bloatware on the device. AT&T has 23+ apps of, Verizon has 11+ apps and so on. I disable a ton of garbage apps and even if you could delete them by rooting you will not get the space back since that is partitioned out for the OS which the bloatware is factored into.
    I hope that the trend for less non-carrier bloat continues and that future updates allows us to actually delete apps we don't want or need. Carriers should follow with less bloat. With the GS6, it was a good first step but not the more substantial step that needs to happen. All the bloat can be structured so that it can be downloaded from the Samsung store, Play Store and the carrier if we want it.
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    05-23-2015 08:30 PM
  12. Zoostation's Avatar
    I hope that the trend for less non-carrier bloat continues and that future updates allows us to actually delete apps we don't want or need. Carriers should follow with less bloat. With the GS6, it was a good first step but not the more substantial step that needs to happen. All the bloat can be structured so that it can be downloaded from the Samsung store, Play Store and the carrier if we want it.
    In some ways you could tie in the carrier bloat to the discussion of S6 sales. Apple won't allow all that carrier bloat, and Samsung doesn't have enough clout to demand the same.

    Posted via the Android Central App
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    05-24-2015 10:48 AM
  13. jcp007's Avatar
    In some ways you could tie in the carrier bloat to the discussion of S6 sales. Apple won't allow all that carrier bloat, and Samsung doesn't have enough clout to demand the same.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Samsung being the largest Android does have clout. Google has to make up its mind to exist the space and let one brand manufacture their devices or Google becomes the sole brand controlling everything. Samsung has signaled that they are moving to increase vertical integration and device optimization using their own chipset to making their own cores and UI. The latter two will take some time.
    05-24-2015 11:40 AM
  14. Captain Loogie's Avatar
    Strange that Sammy doesn't put the foot down with US carriers.

    Got mine Sim free in the UK and doesn't even have facebook installed. Only disabled 6 apps, One Note, One drive, S health, S voice, Memo and smart remote. May disable one or two more as I complete my set up but there's nothing obvious at the moment, delighted with the lack of bloat.
    05-24-2015 06:52 PM
  15. geezer1's Avatar
    regarding bloatware remember that best is to freeze applications. Unless you know what you are doing. I got bootloops so many times after removing some apps...
    05-24-2015 07:05 PM
  16. I Can Be Your Hero's Avatar
    Strange that Sammy doesn't put the foot down with US carriers.
    They haven't put their foot down in Australia either. Only Apple seem to have the balls to go toe-to-toe with carriers and tell them that they absolutely won't accept any carrier nonsense on their phones.

    Kinda wish some Android OEM would muscle a deal with carriers so we don't have the excess apps.
    05-24-2015 07:08 PM
  17. jcp007's Avatar
    It's a domino effect. Google selecting one brand, say Samsung, and dictates that in return for exclusive rights, minimal bloat in the UI mad more Android compliant. Carriers in return for right to sell the devices, minimal carrier bloat.
    05-24-2015 09:54 PM
  18. Zoostation's Avatar
    It's a domino effect. Google selecting one brand, say Samsung, and dictates that in return for exclusive rights, minimal bloat in the UI mad more Android compliant. Carriers in return for right to sell the devices, minimal carrier bloat.
    Granted it's second hand info but I've talked to a former vzw employee that claims Verizon will play hardball and not carry phones if they don't get their bloat on it. They don't believe anyone but Apple can make them flinch.

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    05-24-2015 11:39 PM
  19. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    Granted it's second hand info but I've talked to a former vzw employee that claims Verizon will play hardball and not carry phones if they don't get their bloat on it. They don't believe anyone but Apple can make them flinch.

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    I walk into Verizon. They say we don't carry Samsung anymore. I say, okay, what else you got.
    05-25-2015 04:20 AM
  20. bartzeeland's Avatar
    The Samsung bloat makes me sick. They design a beautiful phone and then cripple it with their useless apps. And you're unable to stop most of the apps. And that on your own phone! I decided to root and install a debloated rom and now I'm happy with the phone. Btw that Rom is only 420mb.
    05-25-2015 11:17 AM
  21. jcp007's Avatar
    Wouldn't a Nexus device be better?
    05-25-2015 11:31 AM
  22. Zoostation's Avatar
    420? That sounds impossible for lollipop.

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    05-25-2015 12:37 PM
  23. Raptor007's Avatar
    Keep in mind there is only 1 iOS phone mfg while there are hundreds of Android OEM's so I suspect the carriers tell the OEM's to get on board or your devices won't be on their networks. Its nothing short of extortion (if what I surmise is true) and we all know it likely is.
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    05-25-2015 01:04 PM
  24. jcp007's Avatar
    Keep in mind there is only 1 iOS phone mfg while there are hundreds of Android OEM's so I suspect the carriers tell the OEM's to get on board or your devices won't be on their networks. Its nothing short of extortion (if what I surmise is true) and we all know it likely is.
    Dozens maybe? LOL.
    05-25-2015 01:27 PM
  25. Zoostation's Avatar
    I walk into Verizon. They say we don't carry Samsung anymore. I say, okay, what else you got.
    The point is that Apple is the only manufacturer who can demand no carrier bloat and not get kicked to the curb by the carrier.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    05-25-2015 01:57 PM
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