06-04-2015 08:07 PM
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  1. anon(5630457)'s Avatar
    They were able to make a better designed phone with 1) higher capacity models available
    So you think people have an extra $100 to spend on the 64 GB S6 just to get extra storage? MicroSD card support on a phone should still be standard. If the S6 came with expandable storage, I could spend only an extra $20 to get a 64 GB microSD card (if I purchased the 32 GB model) instead of a $100 more to get the 64 GB version of the S6.
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    06-03-2015 07:36 AM
  2. MDMcAtee's Avatar
    Totally just based on my earlier 1% of 1% post. It's not an assertion of fact, it's example of scale, in my opinion, of how prominent I think the mentality of letting one or both of those specific features make 100% of the determining factor in a purchase decision. It might be a little bit of a straw man, but there are 4 different kinds of people that noticed whether or not the S6 has an SD card:

    1. WOW THIS PHONE IS AWESOME!!! I wish it had an SD card
    2. Wow, that would have been a good phone, but no SD card, no sale.
    3. That phone sucked, wonder why it didn't have an SD card - if it did, it might have been better.
    4. That phone sucked, even if it had an SD card, I wouldn't buy it.

    Or something like that. My assumption (underline that) is that those 4 combined = about 3-4% of the people who considered buying an S6. I also assume that 50% or more of the people who bought an S6 don't know what an SD card is. I also assume that most bought the lowest internal memory device available because it's cheapest. And I also assume that most who bought it had a galaxy prior to the S6.

    I also, also, also assume that I don't care what the real numbers are - if it is higher or lower, doesn't really bug me. The point is, that I am of the opinion that the number of people who know and/or care about the SD card are ridiculously small compared to the gargantuan number of people buying Galaxy phones. AC is one of the largest (and IMO is the best) locations for nerds to discuss and read about Android tech, and we have somewhere around 3-5% of the volume of regular users compared to those buying Samsung devices every quarter. If less than 10% of (guess) of AC users are inflamed by the presence or absence of an SD card, then that leads me to believe that at best half a percent of Samsung users are also that fervent about it.

    But the numbers are illustrative, not statistics.
    I totally disagree.

    SD cards have been a staple of Android phones and it's not like the technology just came out since they are used not only for phones but tablets and cameras... People aren't oblivious to what a SD card is.

    Now, many people don't care I'll give you this but I will wager you if the s6 had both options available and people could choose either the one with the SD card would sell more just on cost alone especially in the carrier stores.

    Let's not forget about storing raw images on those who go with the cheapest price of the s6... If and when the update is released for the camera.

    SD cards are going to be front and center from now on and Google knows it with the capabilities of all future flagship phones which is one reason they have done a 180 on it.

    There well be a good amount of people who have switched over from the iPhone because of look and feel of the s6 because it is very similar and first time buyers who don't know about this, but don't delude yourself by these so called market studies since most base their findings on inflated numbers and never get it right.

    SD cards aren't going away, regardless of what some claim them to be since now most flagship phones can support up to 2 terabytes of storage. The speed of the top end cards is getting better too and for large amounts of additional storage still $ for $ still the best bang for your buck. Safety isn't going to be a issue as well with the new protocols in M when it comes out.

    Posted via the Android Central App from my HTC m8 till my LG g4 comes in.
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    06-03-2015 08:05 AM
  3. LeoRex's Avatar
    The biggest fallacy is that Google is trying to kill off the SD card. They aren't. They are just trying to make them more secure.... prior to KitKat, it was a wide open bucket of data and every process had full access to it. A new method had to be developed and it wasn't completed in the K time frame and it continues to evolve through L and to the next version, M.

    They didn't change direction as far as their plans to support SD cards.... they are just developing a better, long term implementation.
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    06-03-2015 09:47 AM
  4. UJ95x's Avatar
    So you think people have an extra $100 to spend on the 64 GB S6 just to get extra storage? MicroSD card support on a phone should still be standard. If the S6 came with expandable storage, I could spend only an extra $20 to get a 64 GB microSD card (if I purchased the 32 GB model) instead of a $100 more to get the 64 GB version of the S6.
    Even the base model has 2x the capacity as before, and it was actually available on every carrier. That's more than enough for most people
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    06-03-2015 10:45 AM
  5. Kalvin Kerns's Avatar
    IMO the fact that Google is now adding better support for MicroSD reflects POORLY on GOOGLE. They killed support two versions back forcing app devs and OEM's to cut support as it was clear Google wasn't going to support it. Now they are doing a 180 and suddenly Samsung is in the wrong. NOPE! Samsung offered up an excellent design offered 32/64/128GB of storage where apple thinks 16/64/128 is the right (rip off) way to go about thing. Samsung could incorporate microSD again, but why should they.
    Yep. +1000

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-03-2015 11:25 AM
  6. jcp007's Avatar
    Even the base model has 2x the capacity as before, and it was actually available on every carrier. That's more than enough for most people
    Most were buying cards on a 16GB storage which had less than 6GB of free space. With the base 32GB model, almost 23GB free. If you need a tiny bit more, on the 64GB model, 54GB free.

    Posted via My Samsung Galaxy S6 Handheld Device
    06-03-2015 11:35 AM
  7. UJ95x's Avatar
    Most were buying cards on a 16GB storage which had less than 6GB of free space. With the base 32GB model, almost 23GB free. If you need a tiny bit more, on the 64GB model, 54GB free.

    Posted via My Samsung Galaxy S6 Handheld Device
    Which phones had fewer than 6GB? The lowest amount available I saw on 16GB phones was around 10

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 4
    06-03-2015 12:12 PM
  8. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    I said the same thing.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    Then I like your post too.
    06-03-2015 12:49 PM
  9. t11rmh's Avatar
    It's easy inexpensive readily available expandable storage.
    Why in world would anybody here support a decision to dump it!?
    Maybe there was 'Market Research' that showed nobody cared if they had
    easy inexpensive readily available expandable storage.
    Agree with this. That oft quoted market research must have been very carefully worded as it allows Samsung to charge loads more for extra built on storage. I really want to do that as it's good for me. Or so I'm told.....

    Posted via my kicking Samsung Galaxy A5
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    06-03-2015 01:24 PM
  10. jcp007's Avatar
    Which phones had fewer than 6GB? The lowest amount available I saw on 16GB phones was around 10

    Sent from my Galaxy Note 4
    Maybe its closer to 10GB. Still not a ton of space and a few GB of apps, even less.

    Posted via My Samsung Galaxy S6 Handheld Device
    06-03-2015 01:29 PM
  11. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    So you think people have an extra $100 to spend on the 64 GB S6 just to get extra storage? MicroSD card support on a phone should still be standard. If the S6 came with expandable storage, I could spend only an extra $20 to get a 64 GB microSD card (if I purchased the 32 GB model) instead of a $100 more to get the 64 GB version of the S6.
    It's even more savings because we already own a $20 64+ gb SD card.
    No need to buy gigabytes of storage every time you buy a new phone, because you already own an SD card. :-)
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    06-03-2015 01:58 PM
  12. anon(5630457)'s Avatar
    It's even more savings because we already own a $20 64+ gb SD card.
    No need to buy gigabytes of storage every time you buy a new phone, because you already own an SD card. :-)
    Touche.
    06-03-2015 02:18 PM
  13. warpdrive's Avatar
    It's even more savings because we already own a $20 64+ gb SD card.
    No need to buy gigabytes of storage every time you buy a new phone, because you already own an SD card. :-)
    Totally understand, and agree.

    BUT, as I've said you pay less but get less from it due to SD cards DONT store everything like on board flash storage. Even with Google's new policy, you won't be able to always store the entire app (mostly just app data and cashe) and when you do it's because the app has support to do so. But with flash storage, you can store everything without issue including rapid fire photography (something that you can't save to an SD card even back in the Gingerbread days due to the SD card isn't fast enough to record it.

    So you pay more and get more. Or you pay less and get less. The choice is yours and it seems that many here who want this don't want large on board storage at all because manufacturers will not make multiple models of storage if they include SD cards (like LG with the G4), or limit the production so much like HTC (with the m9) that you'll never have a real chance to buy it even from the manufacturer.

    The good news is that this is NOT Apple. This is Android. Together, but not the same.

    So if you don't like multiple models of phone storage, don't buy from such a company like Samsung or Google's Nexus devices. Instead buy an LG G4, an HTC One m9, or a mid range phone like the ASUS zenfone 2. You can also always buy a low end model from a bunch of different manufacturers that are starting to come out and show us how with 8gb of on board flash storage with a 128gb SD card works out for you and convince us at how great this choice is.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-03-2015 03:19 PM
  14. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    Maybe we prefer Samsung.
    So we don't want to buy something else.
    We liked the options we had, and don't want Samsung to continue this direction.
    People expressed they wanted a more elegant looking device like Apple, and Samsung listened. Samsung also understood how no one wants to be a wall hugger, so they attempted to make the S6 stellar in battery life, but they missed the mark a bit. Now we are expressing the need/want/advantage of having expandable storage in addition to on board flash storage. That's all.
    I wouldn't tell members posting here who want better battery life, better reception, or less bloat to go buy something else or 'vote with their wallet'.
    06-03-2015 05:56 PM
  15. Aquila's Avatar
    I wouldn't tell members posting here who want better battery life, better reception, or less bloat to go buy something else or 'vote with their wallet'.
    I would. These companies do NOT care about user experience except in the connotation where user experience reflects on sales. So PR is important, image - but actual happiness as opposed to "meh, it's good enough and I'm used to it" look exactly the same in the PnL. Dollars drive decisions. The absolute least amount that can be spent by the OEM to get the most amount of sales before too much diminishing return takes over is the exact price point to aim for. If you can charge $100 for an $8 upgrade on the BOM, do it. Every time. Absolutely vote with your wallet, that's the only thing they're listening to.
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    06-03-2015 06:04 PM
  16. Zoostation's Avatar
    Even the base model has 2x the capacity as before, and it was actually available on every carrier. That's more than enough for most people
    I'm extremely surprised that each of the big 4 US carriers decided to carry the 64GB and 128GB S6...especially Verizon. Even more surprised that Verizon is retailing the phones at a lower price.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-03-2015 06:04 PM
  17. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    I would. These companies do NOT care about user experience except in the connotation where user experience reflects on sales. So PR is important, image - but actual happiness as opposed to "meh, it's good enough and I'm used to it" look exactly the same in the PnL. Dollars drive decisions. The absolute least amount that can be spent by the OEM to get the most amount of sales before too much diminishing return takes over is the exact price point to aim for. If you can charge $100 for an $8 upgrade on the BOM, do it. Every time. Absolutely vote with your wallet, that's the only thing they're listening to.
    But people post their concerns here, and we just answer with 'go buy something else' , how is that beneficial to the environment you want here in these forums?
    Companies do listen or try to determine what their customers want, your S6 looks like an iPhone because supposedly that's what customers wanted.
    06-03-2015 06:10 PM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    I think I like, "buy what makes you happy". If the S6 isn't that, something else might be. That seems valid. It makes perfect sense to wish a feature did or didn't exist to improve a design, that seems natural. The anger we see and obsession doesn't make sense.

    M Dev Nexus 6 Assassin Edition. Android Central Moderator.
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    06-03-2015 06:18 PM
  19. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    I like that better also.
    Just sounds a little nicer. :-)
    06-03-2015 06:23 PM
  20. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    So, here I am in these forums complaining about Samsung dumping the Swappable Battery, and Expandable Storage, and then I stumble across the thread about $150 off the N6.
    Ha! I couldn't resist the price. We'll see how I like it over my Note2 that I've been packing for over 2 years. :-D
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    06-03-2015 06:28 PM
  21. thoots's Avatar
    Oh, Geez Louise, such hand-wringing over this! I'm losing the will to live..........................

    So, what exactly do you need more than 32GB or 64GB of memory for, above and beyond the onboard memory of an S6? And I'm figuring that not too many people are going to go for the 128GB version. Supposedly it's not good for gaming, so, for what? There's still lots of onboard room for quite a collection of MP3 music files or JPEG image files, so.... Must be for dozens or hundreds of video files, right?

    I mean, COME ON, to what extent are you really going to sit around for days and weeks watching videos on a tiny little phone screen? Yeah, sure I want a 128GB card in my tablet, but on my phone? 32GB is plenty, though I did pop for a 64GB S6, which will really have all the memory I'll ever need, with plenty left over.

    And if it's really just movies and media and such, there ARE alternatives to onboard MicroSD slots. Such as "on the go" USB drives like the Patriot Stellar:

    http://www.patriotmemory.com/product...d=1495&type=27

    A tiny little USB drive that'll plug into any Micro USB port or regular USB 3.0 slot, and you'll be able to move it around amongst any devices you've got. And that'll be several million times easier than trying to pry a micro USB card out of your phone, and move it around amongst your devices. Or, speaking of MicroSD cards, you can also get very similar little things that have no onboard memory, but rather will fit any MicroSD card into them, and then move that around amongst your devices. Like this:

    Micro USB to Micro SD Card Reader | OTGSDCARDRDR | Cirago

    At any rate, yes, indeed, you just plug one of these things into your phone's Micro USB port, and your S6 will "see" it and you will have access to anything on your MicroSD card.

    Sure, yeah, not quite as convenient as an internal MicroSD slot, but if you're just going to sit there watching videos, is something like this so awfully impossible to consider?

    In the end, as compared to previous phones for which I filled 128GB MicroSD cards up with massive gigabytes of video files that I never actually watched, I just haven't filled up my 64GB S6 with massive gigabytes of video files that I'll never watch. And otherwise, everything seems to be going just fine, so far.
    06-03-2015 06:39 PM
  22. Gator352's Avatar
    The biggest fallacy is that Google is trying to kill off the SD card. They aren't. They are just trying to make them more secure.... prior to KitKat, it was a wide open bucket of data and every process had full access to it. A new method had to be developed and it wasn't completed in the K time frame and it continues to evolve through L and to the next version, M.

    They didn't change direction as far as their plans to support SD cards.... they are just developing a better, long term implementation.
    Google said on more than a few occasions that they wanted oem's to up the internal storage and ditch external storage because of security, but mostly because of performance issues.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-03-2015 07:02 PM
  23. Gator352's Avatar
    Oh, Geez Louise, such hand-wringing over this! I'm losing the will to live..........................

    So, what exactly do you need more than 32GB or 64GB of memory for, above and beyond the onboard memory of an S6? And I'm figuring that not too many people are going to go for the 128GB version. Supposedly it's not good for gaming, so, for what? There's still lots of onboard room for quite a collection of MP3 music files or JPEG image files, so.... Must be for dozens or hundreds of video files, right?

    I mean, COME ON, to what extent are you really going to sit around for days and weeks watching videos on a tiny little phone screen? Yeah, sure I want a 128GB card in my tablet, but on my phone? 32GB is plenty, though I did pop for a 64GB S6, which will really have all the memory I'll ever need, with plenty left over.

    And if it's really just movies and media and such, there ARE alternatives to onboard MicroSD slots. Such as "on the go" USB drives like the Patriot Stellar:

    http://www.patriotmemory.com/product...d=1495&type=27

    A tiny little USB drive that'll plug into any Micro USB port or regular USB 3.0 slot, and you'll be able to move it around amongst any devices you've got. And that'll be several million times easier than trying to pry a micro USB card out of your phone, and move it around amongst your devices. Or, speaking of MicroSD cards, you can also get very similar little things that have no onboard memory, but rather will fit any MicroSD card into them, and then move that around amongst your devices. Like this:

    Micro USB to Micro SD Card Reader | OTGSDCARDRDR | Cirago

    At any rate, yes, indeed, you just plug one of these things into your phone's Micro USB port, and your S6 will "see" it and you will have access to anything on your MicroSD card.

    Sure, yeah, not quite as convenient as an internal MicroSD slot, but if you're just going to sit there watching videos, is something like this so awfully impossible to consider?

    In the end, as compared to previous phones for which I filled 128GB MicroSD cards up with massive gigabytes of video files that I never actually watched, I just haven't filled up my 64GB S6 with massive gigabytes of video files that I'll never watch. And otherwise, everything seems to be going just fine, so far.
    Well, I'm glad it works for you. We are not complaining of the internal size and whether it's enough, because it actually is, but rather the removal of a feature we liked and used for various other different reasons that you stated.

    Some of you guys act like you have to feed it. Take it to the doctor. Wash its feet. Pop its pimples. But Why not include it? It's not like you "have" to use it if it's there as a feature. But come on, SD cards are not the coming of the anti Christ.

    Posted via the Android Central App
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    06-03-2015 07:18 PM
  24. jcp007's Avatar
    I would. These companies do NOT care about user experience except in the connotation where user experience reflects on sales. So PR is important, image - but actual happiness as opposed to "meh, it's good enough and I'm used to it" look exactly the same in the PnL. Dollars drive decisions. The absolute least amount that can be spent by the OEM to get the most amount of sales before too much diminishing return takes over is the exact price point to aim for. If you can charge $100 for an $8 upgrade on the BOM, do it. Every time. Absolutely vote with your wallet, that's the only thing they're listening to.
    I totally agree. After almost two months, I don't miss the card slot. If it is an important feature, then there are great alternatives like the M9 or the G4. This feature doesn't reflect badly and greatness on any device that excludes or includes the feature. It depends upon your needs and preferences.
    06-03-2015 08:05 PM
  25. Zoostation's Avatar
    I personally will probably be OK with the 64GB variant I bought, but I can sympathize with people who don't want to have to choose between plugging up additional storage and charging their phone.

    Posted via the Android Central App
    06-03-2015 10:44 PM
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