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  1. Cory S's Avatar
    So it looks like the phone is using Samsung's "app optimization" feature which hibernates apps after they havent been used for 3 days, but I don't see Doze anywhere. Likewise, Gsam reported 0% Doze when I left it off the charger over night.
    03-04-2016 09:14 AM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    Er... what? The heck?
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    03-04-2016 09:16 AM
  3. bhatech's Avatar
    Looks like that, my Nexus 6p is to doze line crazy but my S7 edge doesn't.
    03-04-2016 09:18 AM
  4. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    So it looks like the phone is using Samsung's "app optimization" feature which hibernates apps after they havent been used for 3 days, but I don't see Doze anywhere. Likewise, Gsam reported 0% Doze when I left it off the charger over night.
    "App optimization" is really just clean master. That being said, I haven't shut if off on the Note 5 and haven't noticed any adverse affects.

    GSAM not showing Doze could be a few things. 1) Doze is just not there, which would be disappointing. 2) Samsung changed something and GSAM doesn't recognize Doze correctly 3) something else entirely that I can't think off.

    I'm not sure why Samsung would disable Doze. In my experience it works well and doesn't have any real issues.
    03-04-2016 09:18 AM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    Is that with the Always On display or without it?
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    03-04-2016 09:19 AM
  6. Almeuit's Avatar
    Do you have "Always On" set to on? This could maybe be preventing Doze from activating.
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    03-04-2016 09:19 AM
  7. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    Can you try turning the Always On display off to see if that lets Doze happen?
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    03-04-2016 09:20 AM
  8. Cory S's Avatar
    Always on display is, on. I'll cut it off now and test. But, if it did have Doze, wouldn't it need a managment pane in settings to black list apps you dont want to doze? The S7 doesn't have that.
    03-04-2016 09:26 AM
  9. LeoRex's Avatar
    Do you have Always On running? That might interfere with Doze firing.

    Still, troubling. I didn't see any of the tell-tale plateaus in some of the battery graphs posted so far. That would be a rather big issue, to be honest. Doze was one of the big 6.0 features, one Google was very proud of, and from what I've read, adamant that OEMs not break when they coded their own Android forks.
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    03-04-2016 09:28 AM
  10. LeoRex's Avatar
    Always on display is, on. I'll cut it off now and test. But, if it did have Doze, wouldn't it need a managment pane in settings to black list apps you dont want to doze? The S7 doesn't have that.
    It's lumped in the "Battery Optimization" window on my 6P (accessed bia three dot menu in the Battery in Settings), Doze isn't specifically called out.
    03-04-2016 09:29 AM
  11. ZeneticX's Avatar
    Maybe try using Greenify instead if Dose isn't working? It's supposed to offer the same function (before Android M was released)
    03-04-2016 09:30 AM
  12. erasat's Avatar
    According to early reports about Doze there were 2 things that I think are key here:

    1-) Google clearly prohibited all OEMs to alter the Doze feature, at all.
    2-) Doze only works when all sensors are not activated, it has been sleeping and the screen is off.

    So if the above is true then I highly doubt Samsung removed Doze or changed it plus Doze won't activate with the "Always On Display" in use.

    Check this Android central article from way back. Inside Marshmallow: What is Doze, how do I use it and what does it do? | Android Central
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    03-04-2016 09:32 AM
  13. Cory S's Avatar
    Maybe try using Greenify instead if Dose isn't working? It's supposed to offer the same function (before Android M was released)
    If it can be duplicated, even closely, by a third party app isn't really the point. I doubt it would work as well without root anyway if Samsung has mucked around with it.
    03-04-2016 09:33 AM
  14. Cory S's Avatar
    It's lumped in the "Battery Optimization" window on my 6P (accessed bia three dot menu in the Battery in Settings), Doze isn't specifically called out.
    Ah okay, now that is in there. Furthermore, GSAM started reporting Doze right away when always on display was turned off. Crisis adverted, however there may be an issue with always on display.
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    03-04-2016 09:39 AM
  15. ZeneticX's Avatar
    Ah okay, now that is in there. Furthermore, GSAM started reporting Doze right away when always on display was turned off. Crisis adverted, however there may be an issue with always on display.
    now we need someone to do a battery life comparison between Always On enabled and disabled. To me Always On was one good feature and if given a choice I would choose to leave it on
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    03-04-2016 09:42 AM
  16. erwaso's Avatar
    I think i'd rather have Always On set to on lol
    03-04-2016 10:04 AM
  17. LeoRex's Avatar
    To put this into perspective - and we're talking idle drain here - the difference between "Doze on/Always On off" and "Always On on/Doze off" probably works out to a difference of 1% total an hour. Doze will bring idle load to 0.5% an hour or less, and people say A-O is 1 to 1.5%.

    Now, for the most part, with general usage (not trying to dominate in Asphalt 8), I suspect the S7/Edge will be in the low/mid teens for active, screen on battery loads... 13% per hour... give or take.

    So in that context, over the course of a day, Always On might cost you one to two hours of screen time.... depending on how much you log on the thing.
    03-04-2016 10:24 AM
  18. Cory S's Avatar
    Actually, I don't think it is the always on display causing my device to not doze. at least, it's not the only thing. Looks like the initial doze session I got was never repeated. After a little research I've found bluetooth has been known to keep the 6P from dozing, which would make sense being I have an android wear watch.

    here is an overview of my phones sleep status.
    https://photos.google.com/share/AF1Q...NZdld0UFhGcHVn
    03-04-2016 02:35 PM
  19. Dhawk1202's Avatar
    So if I've read this correctly, it seems that using Always on display, and or bluetooth, The very popular Doze feature will not engage. Please tell me I've missed something!

    Posted via the Android Central App
    03-04-2016 03:36 PM
  20. meyerweb#CB's Avatar
    It's not yet clear that AOD prevents doze from working. And BT, by itself, probably doesn't. But if you're connected to a smartwatch, and that watch is constantly in communication with the phone, that may very well prevent doze from working. Doze is supposed to shut things off when the phone isn't active. A smartwatch could keep the phone in an active state.

    Let's not jump to conclusions and panic until we have more data.
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    03-04-2016 03:41 PM
  21. Cory S's Avatar
    Yeah, I have no idea yet. I use my phone too much during the day to test it out. My original concern, that the phone may not have it at all was false though. It simply doesn't seem to be operating correctly for me for one reason or another.
    03-04-2016 03:51 PM
  22. Zendroid1's Avatar
    I don't see how AOD could possibly work with doze. It goes against what doze is. You can't have your cake and eat it too and have an AOD and expect it to still Doze.
    03-04-2016 03:54 PM
  23. erasat's Avatar
    As you can see in the link I posted in my previous post, Doze will not activate unless the phone's sensors and screen are completely off, not sure about radios, so, it may be possible that having a Bluetooth device connected maybe to Android Wear or Samsung Gear will also prevent it.

    But I'm almost certain that AOD and Doze won't work together, screen is on and consuming battery, that by itself goes against one of the simple requirements for Doze to work. I may be wrong though...
    03-04-2016 04:09 PM
  24. LeoRex's Avatar
    Think of Doze like this... Doze is kind of like putting a Windows laptop in sleep if it's idle, waking it on a schedule so applications can go out and check their respective servers. And it'll also wake up if it's woken up by a special network packet. When that laptop is sleeping, not much happens... Right?

    So if any function requires the phone to do something, it won't work with Doze running...

    Now, I'm not sure how paired smart watches affect Doze... They either keep the phone from dozing, or the watch stops communicating... Until the Doze window wakes up the phone and apps do their thing.
    03-04-2016 05:49 PM
  25. DFranch's Avatar
    I thought I read that AOD used a special low power processor and wouldn't prevent Doze.
    03-04-2016 07:10 PM
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