1. stackberry369's Avatar
    Why so much gone before using the phone? I'm waiting for the Note 6

    Posted via the Android Central App
    03-02-2016 06:22 PM
  2. dpham00's Avatar
    This is normal. System data and what not plus conversion from decimal to binary. The Note 6 would be similar
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    03-02-2016 06:24 PM
  3. dpham00's Avatar
    How much was your note 4 out of the box?
    03-02-2016 06:26 PM
  4. Duffin's Avatar
    I do think that at this point, phone makers need to start adding extra space to cover the OS. Advertising that a phone has 32 GB and then taking up 8 GB with the OS means you never get to use all 32. While technically legal, it's incredibly misleading.
    stackberry369, Inders99 and 20blks like this.
    03-03-2016 08:16 AM
  5. 20blks's Avatar
    I do think that at this point, phone makers need to start adding extra space to cover the OS. Advertising that a phone has 32 GB and then taking up 8 GB with the OS means you never get to use all 32. While technically legal, it's incredibly misleading.
    Great point
    03-03-2016 09:08 AM
  6. ironass's Avatar
    Just over 7GB for the stock Samsung Global model, unbranded. See, here.
    03-03-2016 12:14 PM
  7. Almeuit's Avatar
    Why so much gone before using the phone? I'm waiting for the Note 6

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    I agree with dpham -- The Note 6 will be the same.
    dpham00 likes this.
    03-03-2016 12:24 PM
  8. dpham00's Avatar
    I do think that at this point, phone makers need to start adding extra space to cover the OS. Advertising that a phone has 32 GB and then taking up 8 GB with the OS means you never get to use all 32. While technically legal, it's incredibly misleading.
    If you have 32gb, and 24gb free out of the box, then the os takes 5.8gb.
    03-03-2016 02:09 PM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    I do think that at this point, phone makers need to start adding extra space to cover the OS. Advertising that a phone has 32 GB and then taking up 8 GB with the OS means you never get to use all 32. While technically legal, it's incredibly misleading.
    This isn't really a new thing though. Hard drives will display "250 GB" but in theory you won't get all that space. You will lose some due to formatting and then of course the OS has to take up some. I find it kind of hard pressed to say people expect nothing to be installed on the phone when they get it.
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    03-03-2016 02:20 PM
  10. Cakefish's Avatar
    Sony's Z5 Compact system partition is even larger at 9.43GB compared to 7.27GB for the unlocked Galaxy S7 in the UK;

    8GB used out of the box?-uploadfromtaptalk1457044099758.jpg
    03-03-2016 04:29 PM
  11. dpham00's Avatar
    This isn't really a new thing though. Hard drives will display "250 GB" but in theory you won't get all that space. You will lose some due to formatting and then of course the OS has to take up some. I find it kind of hard pressed to say people expect nothing to be installed on the phone when they get it.
    Yup, it has been this way for decades. I would like it to change too but... Being realistic... I doubt it.
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    03-03-2016 05:22 PM
  12. Duffin's Avatar
    The difference, tough, was the OS didn't take up nearly as much space. It's 8 GB now and that's just too much to include in the total.
    03-03-2016 06:50 PM
  13. dpham00's Avatar
    The difference, tough, was the OS didn't take up nearly as much space. It's 8 GB now and that's just too much to include in the total.
    It has been that way for years. Hell my Thunderbolt claimed 8gb internal but only about 2gb was usable....
    03-04-2016 05:39 PM
  14. Almeuit's Avatar
    The difference, tough, was the OS didn't take up nearly as much space. It's 8 GB now and that's just too much to include in the total.
    The OS is going to take up some space. If you are concerned about the least amount taken up a Nexus phone may suite you better as they are lighter. Samsung is usually more because it is Android + their modifications & features to the phone
    03-04-2016 05:47 PM
  15. Duffin's Avatar
    The OS is going to take up some space. If you are concerned about the least amount taken up a Nexus phone may suite you better as they are lighter. Samsung is usually more because it is Android + their modifications & features to the phone
    No, that's not what I said. I said that they should not be counting that in the advertised space if it's not actually available. If they want to advertise 32 GB, then the drive should actually have 40 and have 8 used for the OS.
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    03-04-2016 05:49 PM
  16. Almeuit's Avatar
    No, that's not what I said. I said that they should not be counting that in the advertised space if it's not actually available. If they want to advertise 32 GB, then the drive should actually have 40 and have 8 used for the OS.
    Oh .. well yeah as we said earlier that isn't how it works in tech. It hasn't ever worked that way actually. They advertise the size of the hard drive within the device. When I buy an SSD on Amazon I don't expect to have 250 GB of usable space since I know the OS is going to take up space once I load it up.
    20blks likes this.
    03-04-2016 05:52 PM
  17. Kevin OQuinn's Avatar
    How come no one is upset that they advertise GB wrong? The 32GB isn't even 32GB....
    tonyr6 likes this.
    03-04-2016 05:57 PM
  18. lephils's Avatar
    Well they advertised the phones as "32gb". (?GB?)
    I don't think they say 32gb available.
    I understand some people may find that misleading, but they just say it as it is. Imo.
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    03-04-2016 05:57 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    All storage devices that I'm aware of list the gross size on the packaging with a disclaimer that it isn't all available to the user. That includes hard drives, flash storage, usb sticks, sd cards, etc, etc. The difference on a 18TB HHD is that no one cares that 20 GB is used for housing the Windows partition. 8 out of 32 is a lot - Samsung just announced they can do a 256 internal storage drive. Put some pressure on them to release phones with that in it... or at least 64.
    03-04-2016 05:58 PM
  20. oilman614's Avatar
    That's why they have a microSD port for.....I am glad Samsung brought that back...I was beginning to think old Apple employees where working at Samsung.
    Now if they would only go back to the removable battery so ZeroLemon can fuse 3 batteries together so I can get 2 days out of phone like before
    03-04-2016 06:13 PM
  21. dpham00's Avatar
    How come no one is upset that they advertise GB wrong? The 32GB isn't even 32GB....
    It has been standard practice for decades. I don't agree with it, but it is what it is. Nothing is going to change in that regard.
    Kevin OQuinn and 20blks like this.
    03-04-2016 06:20 PM
  22. dpham00's Avatar
    Just to clarify as this seems to always confuse people... Samsung defines :
    1GB= 1 billion bytes (decimal)

    The system is binary, so what the computer sees :
    1GB = 2^30 =1,073,xxx,xxx bytes

    GB =Gigabyte

    There is also "gibibyte" which some refer to as the binary.

    To make things more confusing, ram is in power of 2. So 1GB ram =1,024 MB = 1,073,xxx, xxx bytes

    Verizon data usage is measured by 1GB =1,073, xxx, xxx bytes

    To make matters even more confusing, bandwidth speed is usually referred to in bits per second, 1 byte =8 bits. Verizon advertises up to 12mbps, or 12 megabits /sec. Which is 1.5 megabytes /sec
    03-04-2016 06:48 PM
  23. Duffin's Avatar
    Oh .. well yeah as we said earlier that isn't how it works in tech. It hasn't ever worked that way actually. They advertise the size of the hard drive within the device. When I buy an SSD on Amazon I don't expect to have 250 GB of usable space since I know the OS is going to take up space once I load it up.
    I know that's how it works. That's why I said it *should* work differently.
    tonyr6 likes this.
    03-04-2016 07:26 PM
  24. matt3166's Avatar
    If a company knows that it takes 8GB or whatever then they should add it to the memory and give us the 32GB their selling. It's not like 8GB is going to break the bank for them.

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    03-04-2016 07:42 PM

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