04-06-2017 12:44 PM
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  1. rushmore's Avatar
    I got to spend an hour with the 8+ today and compared more to my Note 4 and also a rogue Note 7 (not mine, though I had two that were returned).

    Display width: Content in portrait mode is noticeably smaller than 5.7" Notes.

    Video content: Most video content fits the 5.7" display, but is cropped or black side bars on the 8+. Point is most content is not optimized for the 8+ display. There will be in the future, but from an aggregate, most devices are not as stretched, so perhaps most content will remain not optimized for the display.

    Corner curves: Since the corners are curved, even when content does fit the display, the corners are cut off. Also seems the display is not truly 6.2", since the corners are curved. Will measure next time when in a Best Buy or Verizon, since seems the device is not really 6.2" due the the corner curves.

    I preordered this morning, but will probably cancel (I like most everything else, but the display is kind of important). I wish that Samsung simply took the Note 7 design and put the stuff from the S8+ in it. THEN it would be IMO the greatest device evah".

    None the less, this device will sell bunches and I appreciate that a lot of folks like the display, but the corner curves and cropping/side bars of most video content bugs me.
    04-03-2017 03:03 PM
  2. Aquila's Avatar
    So it's cropping the content rather than giving you a full 16:9 with black letter boxing around it?
    04-03-2017 03:22 PM
  3. rushmore's Avatar
    Unless the content fits the display dimensions, the options are black bars on the side or crop. The catch is even if the content fits, the corners are cut off due to the curves in the four corners. IMO the curves in the corners make no sense. The G6 is stretched, but no curves in the corners. The display shape reminds me of a wider back window to a Nissan Rogue. An exaggeration, but the point is the corner curves seem dumb.

    Why the corner curves? Makes no apparent user sense. Will measure tomorrow to see if really 6.2", or are they pretending the curves in the corners are not there. They might be speccing like in the old school CRT days when the bezel counted too
    04-03-2017 03:31 PM
  4. ODog2323's Avatar
    Yea I'm not at all a fan of the taller display. Not nearly as immersive as a phone with a smaller 16:9 screen.
    04-03-2017 03:31 PM
  5. Aquila's Avatar
    Unless the content fits the display dimensions, the options are black bars on the side or crop. The catch is even if the content fits, the corners are cut off due to the curves in the four corners. IMO the curves in the corners make no sense. The G6 is stretched, but no curves in the corners. The display shape reminds me of a wider back window to a Nissan Rogue. An exaggeration, but the point is the corner curves seem $tupid.

    Why the corner curves? Makes no apparent user sense. Will measure tomorrow to see if really 6.2", or are they pretending the curves in the corners are not there.
    For the measurement, they have to be pretending because the display pixel spec is a 2:1 rectangle. Obviously some rows of pixels have fewer pixels than others, meaning there are likely fewer pixels on the device than the spec sheet would indicate.
    04-03-2017 03:37 PM
  6. anon(782252)'s Avatar
    Unless the content fits the display dimensions, the options are black bars on the side or crop. The catch is even if the content fits, the corners are cut off due to the curves in the four corners. IMO the curves in the corners make no sense. The G6 is stretched, but no curves in the corners. The display shape reminds me of a wider back window to a Nissan Rogue. An exaggeration, but the point is the corner curves seem dumb.

    Why the corner curves? Makes no apparent user sense. Will measure tomorrow to see if really 6.2", or are they pretending the curves in the corners are not there. They might be speccing like in the old school CRT days when the bezel counted too
    The G6 has rounded corners as well.
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    04-03-2017 03:38 PM
  7. Aquila's Avatar
    Here's an article that went through the math, I haven't had time to read through and see if it's correct:

    http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/3/...alaxy-s8-lg-g6

    "So yes, at 85.12cm², the Galaxy S8 has a significantly smaller display area than a 16:9 phone with the same diagonal screen measurement (which would be 92.16cm²). In fact, it’s not a huge distance away from the Pixel’s 5-inch-diagonal 16:9 display, which is exactly how it feels in person. These measuring differences are more than academic: the nominally 5.8-inch Galaxy S8 is ergonomically similar to the Pixel, and the same is true of the 6.2-inch S8 Plus vis-a-vis the 5.5-inch Pixel XL. This would suggest that Samsung’s cramming a lot more screen into the same physical footprint, but in reality it’s only a moderate amount of extra screen."
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    04-03-2017 03:40 PM
  8. rushmore's Avatar
    Whuu? I did not notice, but only looked briefly since not a big fan of LG use of LCD.
    04-03-2017 03:55 PM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    So the 5.7" Note devices have a display area of 89.57cm2 and the 5.8" S8 has a display area of 85.12cm2. The Note @ 5.7" is 16:9, which is the ratio of almost all mobile content (avoids letterboxing, cutting off content, etc) and the corners are not cutoff. So we're losing almost 4.5 square cm of area (to use the smaller one) and much of that space will be screen that isn't on, because 13.5% of the display isn't needed to show most landscape content (videos, etc).
    04-03-2017 03:55 PM
  10. rushmore's Avatar
    Unfortunately that seems about right. There are a LOT more devices not this dimension, so would seem most content for sales life of this device will not be optimized for the display dimensions. Seems not a good thing for the user experience. Crop it or black bar it. Choose your poison.

    Added: Would this also impact Gear VR? Since wider, less of the display could be used. This seems to be the case since the center of orientation will be the same, so anything to the sides would be cut off. Less apparent pixels if so. If the new Gear VR was designed just for this device, maybe different, but also works with current devices. The side borders are rather small already.

    That and Pentile again would seem not the best for Gear VR. Glad I kept my S7, since still apparently the best overall device for Gear VR (more DPI).
    04-03-2017 03:56 PM
  11. anon(782252)'s Avatar
    Whuu? I did not notice, but only looked briefly since not a big fan of LG use of LCD.
    Yep, I had it for a whole 24 hours before sending it back, but not because of the rounded corners or aspect ratio.
    04-03-2017 04:05 PM
  12. Aquila's Avatar
    The Verge doesn't take the curve into account, by my VERY rough calculations based on gauging the size of the curve through a photograph (right?), there's about 2.215cm2 more area that we don't have on the 5.8" S8, in addition to the previously mentioned 13.5% amount of potentially wasted space or the 4.5cm2 less area than the 5.7" Note devices (or anything else that's 16:9 and 5.7", like the Nexus 6P, Moto Z, LG V20, etc).
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    04-03-2017 04:14 PM
  13. rushmore's Avatar
    Well if the Note 8 has RGB tech, or an efficient 4K mode for Gear VR that would at least give me reason to jump. Thing is, not too sure there is such a thing as a battery and heat "efficient" 4K mode. Might need 5nm tech for that.

    Suprised Samsung did not at least go the RGB route, but perhaps not an easy thing for production. Especially since they are so vested in Pentile for mobile displays. Darn Pentile. AMOLED is great for GEAR VR, but Pentile is not. The 1/3 of pixels not being on really stands out in a bad way for Pentile.
    soxfan04 likes this.
    04-03-2017 05:25 PM
  14. tcdude's Avatar
    Here's an article that went through the math, I haven't had time to read through and see if it's correct:

    http://www.theverge.com/tldr/2017/3/...alaxy-s8-lg-g6

    "So yes, at 85.12cm², the Galaxy S8 has a significantly smaller display area than a 16:9 phone with the same diagonal screen measurement (which would be 92.16cm²). In fact, it’s not a huge distance away from the Pixel’s 5-inch-diagonal 16:9 display, which is exactly how it feels in person. These measuring differences are more than academic: the nominally 5.8-inch Galaxy S8 is ergonomically similar to the Pixel, and the same is true of the 6.2-inch S8 Plus vis-a-vis the 5.5-inch Pixel XL. This would suggest that Samsung’s cramming a lot more screen into the same physical footprint, but in reality it’s only a moderate amount of extra screen."
    Thanks for the link I actually opened up a thread about this topic I just didn't have the exact calculation

    Interesting article
    04-03-2017 06:50 PM
  15. Misterb's Avatar
    So the 5.7" Note devices have a display area of 89.57cm2 and the 5.8" S8 has a display area of 85.12cm2. The Note @ 5.7" is 16:9, which is the ratio of almost all mobile content (avoids letterboxing, cutting off content, etc) and the corners are not cutoff. So we're losing almost 4.5 square cm of area (to use the smaller one) and much of that space will be screen that isn't on, because 13.5% of the display isn't needed to show most landscape content (videos, etc).
    Why are you comparing the S8 and not the S8+, with its larger screen? Also, there's more to a phone than watching a video. With all the other things you use a phone for, the display will be superior to the old Note
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    04-03-2017 07:46 PM
  16. Aquila's Avatar
    Why are you comparing the S8 and not the S8+, with its larger screen? Also, there's more to a phone than watching a video. With all the other things you use a phone for, the display will be superior to the old Note
    S8 is closer in size to the Notes than the S8+, .1" difference in hypotenuse, rather than .5" difference.

    Agree there are more things to do than video, buy this is one area where the radical design will hurt the experience and it's a very important one.
    04-03-2017 07:50 PM
  17. Misterb's Avatar
    S8 is closer in size to the Notes than the S8+, .1" difference in hypotenuse, rather than .5" difference.

    Agree there are more things to do than video, buy this is one area where the radical design will hurt the experience and it's a very important one.
    Some things don't compare well on paper, and with pictures. I think most people who take an old Note 4 and hold it next to an S8+, will find that the S8+ is much more enjoyable to use, but yet will carry and handle better.
    04-03-2017 07:55 PM
  18. Aquila's Avatar
    Some things don't compare well on paper, and with pictures. I think most people who take an old Note 4 and hold it next to an S8+, will find that the S8+ is much more enjoyable to use, but yet will carry and handle better.
    You meet our Note 4 brigade?
    04-03-2017 07:56 PM
  19. KupKrazy's Avatar
    The G6 certainly does have curved corners? Anyway, this has been said ever since the the edge phones came out - and it didn't start with the S8/S8+. The curved edge makes the effective screen appear smaller because it's curved down so with the S7e and the Note7, the stated size always looked smaller. The screen of the Note7 - it had the same stated size as the iPhone 6/7 plus and even Note 4 but it always appeared smaller on the Note7 because it wasn't flat. Last year some of us made comments that they need to come up with a larger size to compensate for shortcoming of the curved edge - which is what they seemed to attempt with 6.2 inches. The only way to do this without making it wider than what they feel was optimum grip was to stretch it up.

    So, while the demos the videos looked great, I already knew that the standard 16:9 videos will either have black bars or cropped zoomed in. Either way, I'm okay with it. I watch 2.35:1 movies on my 16:9 TV and I deal with the black bars albeit on a larger scale.

    I guess my point is that this is not something that just came up with the S8/S8+ but has existed since the S6 edge.
    04-03-2017 08:12 PM
  20. rushmore's Avatar
    Some things don't compare well on paper, and with pictures. I think most people who take an old Note 4 and hold it next to an S8+, will find that the S8+ is much more enjoyable to use, but yet will carry and handle better.
    More the reason I was surprised since find the Note 4 display presents content better and easier to access functions than the Mr. Fantastic 8+

    The 8+ is more awkward to use than the Note 4. I have medium hands.
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    04-03-2017 10:42 PM
  21. Rumline's Avatar
    More the reason I was surprised since find the Note 4 display presents content better and easier to access functions than the Mr. Fantastic 8+
    Could you please elaborate on this? Maybe give some examples?
    04-04-2017 11:01 AM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    Could you please elaborate on this? Maybe give some examples?
    The content is a 16:9 rectangle and the Note 4 has a 16:9 rectangle for a display. The S8 has an 18.5:9 display, which means you have to crop the content or letterbox it.

    Verizon Galaxy S8+ 8+ Display compared to 5.7" Notes - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com
    04-04-2017 11:09 AM
  23. Rumline's Avatar
    The content is a 16:9 rectangle and the Note 4 has a 16:9 rectangle for a display. The S8 has an 18.5:9 display, which means you have to crop the content or letterbox it.
    But that says nothing about how it's "easier to access functions" on the Note 4 than the S8+. Which functions, and how is it harder on the S8?
    04-04-2017 11:25 AM
  24. rushmore's Avatar
    But that says nothing about how it's "easier to access functions" on the Note 4 than the S8+. Which functions, and how is it harder on the S8?
    The display is taller, so more awkward accessing stuff on top. As far as content, reading, games, web or watching video. What you see is smaller for most content unless you zoom or crop.
    04-04-2017 12:15 PM
  25. jb4kats's Avatar
    The AT&T store here has both phones and compared to my 7 Edge the visual difference is of course the length. I am seriously considering canceling my order but oh that screen display is going to be hard to pass up. Everyone speaks about waiting on the Note 8 and we know it's coming but we don't know for sure and until they actually come out with what they will be offering I just don't think I want to wait on it. Yes, they will have the SPen but I just bought a tablet because it had the pen and I swear I keep forgetting it's there so I think I can live without the pen. I want a bigger phone, but I really want a little wider. To be honest I want my NOTE 7 back!!!
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    04-04-2017 01:15 PM
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