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  1. sangs's Avatar
    Flossy and White Shoes are the best. I sometimes listen to his reviews for phones I don't even have an interest in purchasing.
    04-30-2017 10:47 AM
  2. EMGSM's Avatar
    Flossy and White Shoes are the best. I sometimes listen to his reviews for phones I don't even have an interest in purchasing.
    Same. As I mentioned in an earlier post, some people are trying to get as much info about a product as possible.
    04-30-2017 10:50 AM
  3. bembol's Avatar
    He's in my top three as my favorites, Tony Stark aka Michael Fisher and MKBHD.

    I love how REAL he is where it does feel scripted.
    04-30-2017 11:15 AM
  4. BOSSY TEXAS CHICK's Avatar
    Nobody here is saying it's a total fail nor is anyone questioning the intelligence of those who like the phone.
    you took the words right out of my mouth! i was like, i didn't see ANY such extreme statements (nor did i or would i make any : )

    Been in these forums for like 10 years and i just will never understand WHY the most innocuous comment will sometimes be interpreted in the harshest way.

    There's no doubt Flossy loves the S8 & S8+. He ought to, he paid enuf for them!


    But a flagship ought to really be held to four key standards: Design, Performance, Quality & Price. If you miss even ONE of those 4 main ingredients, you've missed it by a country mile, doesn't matter what 3 ya achieve IMHO. All i'm sayin'....

    BTC
    04-30-2017 11:27 AM
  5. dejanh's Avatar
    You see the same thing on political message boards.
    And I don't agree with it there either. Everyone just wants to remain ignorant of anything that does not fit their point of view. Internet had become one giant collection of echo chambers where people just come to listen to themselves talk while shutting out anyone with a dissenting opinion.

    The S8/+ series has plenty of problems. It's far from perfect. I still use it, for now, but Samsung could and should have done better.

    Edit: realized autocorrect changed echo chambers to economic chambers, so I changed it back.
    04-30-2017 12:24 PM
  6. BOSSY TEXAS CHICK's Avatar
    I'm not sure I understand your point when you list price as one of the 4 essential criteria in a good flag ship. Are you saying a good flagship should be less expensive than a non flagship? Or are you saying there should be no difference in a company's Flagship price and it's nonFlagship price? And if you're saying that, then why have Flag ships and non Flag ships? I guess my point is that if you have one phone that has all the latest specs, but you have another that has last year's specs specs, wouldn't you naturally expect the first one to be more expensive?
    Hi Rich! I don't think what i am saying is as confusing as the way you interpreted. But here goes, i'm a break it down for ya : )

    So these days "flagships" are under a lot more pressure to design a phone that is VERY much deserving of our hard earned CA$H, when you consider how MUCH mid rangers are delivering a COMPLETE phone experience these days for 1/3 to 1/2 the price of a "FLAGSHIP".

    So, when a company NOW wants you to part with upwards of "DOUBLE the price of a mid range offering" (to me) the flagship should "not only top the mid range class in EVERY area" BUT should also justify the high price tag by offering features unavailable in the mid range class, which quite frankly i'm not feeling in the S8/S8+.

    Once upon a time if you didn't go "all in" on your cell phone purchase, as a consumer, you wound up with a very watered down experience, from lag, to plastic, to poor updates, to paltry battery life. Such is no longer the case in 2017. So if times have changed dramatically, flagship status should change dramatically too, offering a lot more bang for the buck, or it will be at their peril. Just my observation, i am by no means a marketing expert.

    BTC
    04-30-2017 01:29 PM
  7. jcp007's Avatar
    Just finished watching the epic motion picture review.

    Flossy always brings up price and features of past Android device version features.

    From a price perspective, the carrier needs to work with the companies like Samsung to bring value more in line with price that allows both companies to make a nice profit while making the consumer feel less fleeced. I would like to see 256GB internal storage and more cloud storage space affordability so that the need for a micro SD card is no longer necessary.

    The IR blaster stands, IMHO, has very little chance of making a come back as compared to the removable back cover whose ship has sailed with the advent of the unibody design. Let's face it. Faux metal or plastic doesn't exactly exude premium value.

    On the other hand, incorporating the fps into the onscreen home button seems to be a feature that we are likely see in the GS9. Another feature likely to come to a future GS device is the dual camera.

    Hopefully, manufacturers are paying attention to YouTube reviewers with large viewership and will be incorporating desired features.
    04-30-2017 01:52 PM
  8. donm527's Avatar
    A phone release last June.

    The argument will probably be hard to make when more models come out this year. OnePlus 5 will be an interesting one. Competition is coming out with new phones with the the 835, more memory, storage, battery and dual cameras and doing for hundreds less.

    The question is does the S8/+ offer that much more to warrant the premium. It's not perfect... for that price the arguments are real... no dual cam, no quad DAC or dual firing speakers and I for one would still want bigger battery especially in the smaller S8. For a premium price there are a lot of consessions where for hundreds less you buy knowing you can live without them. That's something each has to decide themselves.
    04-30-2017 02:43 PM
  9. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    A phone release last June.

    The argument will probably be hard to make when more models come out this year. OnePlus 5 will be an interesting one. Competition is coming out with new phones with the the 835, more memory, storage, battery and dual cameras and doing for hundreds less.

    The question is does the S8/+ offer that much more to warrant the premium. It's not perfect... for that price the arguments are real... no dual cam, no quad DAC or dual firing speakers and I for one would still want bigger battery especially in the smaller S8. For a premium price there are a lot of consessions where for hundreds less you buy knowing you can live without them. That's something each has to decide themselves.
    Well the S7 Edge is also a year old phone, yet I would take it over the Axon. Mainly due to water resistance, better screen, bigger battery, Samsung Pay, Samsung themes ect.

    As you said, it's individual. But people pay extra for Samsung features, not just for the hell of it.
    04-30-2017 02:56 PM
  10. Blues Fan's Avatar
    Just finished watching the epic motion picture review.

    Flossy always brings up price and features of past Android device version features.

    From a price perspective, the carrier needs to work with the companies like Samsung to bring value more in line with price that allows both companies to make a nice profit while making the consumer feel less fleeced. I would like to see 256GB internal storage and more cloud storage space affordability so that the need for a micro SD card is no longer necessary.

    The IR blaster stands, IMHO, has very little chance of making a come back as compared to the removable back cover whose ship has sailed with the advent of the unibody design. Let's face it. Faux metal or plastic doesn't exactly exude premium value.

    On the other hand, incorporating the fps into the onscreen home button seems to be a feature that we are likely see in the GS9. Another feature likely to come to a future GS device is the dual camera.

    Hopefully, manufacturers are paying attention to YouTube reviewers with large viewership and will be incorporating desired features.
    However, almost everyone slaps a case onto their phones so having a glass back is silly to me and probably cost more too to produce.
    04-30-2017 02:56 PM
  11. BOSSY TEXAS CHICK's Avatar
    I'm just going to use one of those half-price phones that are often held up as near Flagship quality as an example. The axon 7 has been said by many to be the best phone in that 3 or $400 price range. So what do you get for the extra $400 with the S8 Plus? You get a much bigger screen, a by much faster processor, a much better camera, Iris and face scanning, Bluetooth 5.0, a bigger battery and more battery life, navigation buttons that actually light up unlike on the axon 7, water resistance. I personally would not give up many of those things just to save $400. I would not give up the bigger screen, better camera better battery, and water resistance specifically.
    i guess what it boils down to is this: Everything you state is true when moving from the "near flagship experience" directly TO the flagship.

    What i am saying is this: there was a time using anything less than a flagship was "an almost painful experience" but since, "the times they are a changing" and that is no longer the case, to me if companies continue to believe their "flagship" is going to command the older standard of super high pricing just for the few things you mentioned above, (they certainly aren't "dealbreakers" for EVERYONE) i believe they are seriously miscalculating their buying public.

    I am thinking maybe you haven't used and purchased one of the latest, "near flagship" phone lately and saved yourself 3-400 bucks and felt pretty good (not GREAT, i said "pretty good" lol) about the whole thing?! I have and i can tell you i don't mind paying through the nose for ANYTHING if its an experience i cannot duplicate at a lesser price, i am all over it... BUT, if i can get A LOT closer for A LOT less, i'm all over that too!

    And even if you have, my thoughts and logic don't apply to every single person in the universe. hardly...lol

    BTC
    04-30-2017 03:01 PM
  12. BOSSY TEXAS CHICK's Avatar
    A phone release last June.

    The argument will probably be hard to make when more models come out this year. OnePlus 5 will be an interesting one. Competition is coming out with new phones with the the 835, more memory, storage, battery and dual cameras and doing for hundreds less.

    The question is does the S8/+ offer that much more to warrant the premium. It's not perfect... for that price the arguments are real... no dual cam, no quad DAC or dual firing speakers and I for one would still want bigger battery especially in the smaller S8. For a premium price there are a lot of consessions where for hundreds less you buy knowing you can live without them. That's something each has to decide themselves.
    agreed. in some households its hard to even make the argument NOW, let alone 6 months from now when all mid-rangers will be more than likely be offering top notch specs except for one or two features. Even Samsung has equipped 2017 A line with waterproofing, 16MP Front Facing AND 16MP rear camera along with a boat load of other high end features, from 270 for 4.7 to $350 for 5.7 inch models...

    rear glass casing, ip68 cerified, new Grace UI, fingerprint scanner ON FRONT etc...if u watch u see where he has lists a few more flagship features, all for $330 on amazon, so there's that...lol)



    and this version has Latin American LTE bands which work here in us...
    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Unloc...cUvbUpU5793895
    04-30-2017 03:20 PM
  13. jcp007's Avatar
    However, almost everyone slaps a case onto their phones so having a glass back is silly to me and probably cost more too to produce.
    Glass wouldn't have been my first choice either. Samsung is competing primarily with Apple and has been for several years now. I remember how the plastic removal back and faux metal had been ridiculed for years held some back from considering them premium. Samsung would include great hardware and features but end up with plastic. To your point, most everyone puts a case on them so, IMHO, it's a fair trade for the features and hardware. Could the trade off be better? Sure. Only time will tell.
    04-30-2017 03:44 PM
  14. Ry's Avatar
    For those that take exception with reporting issues why do you even bother with reviews then? It's like Sammobile having to apologize to Samsung fans for pointing out the flaws of the S8 devices. What's the point of just hiding the flaws? Everyone can feel happy in their ignorance?
    Bias bias bias. lol
    04-30-2017 04:16 PM
  15. Blues Fan's Avatar
    Glass wouldn't have been my first choice either. Samsung is competing primarily with Apple and has been for several years now. I remember how the plastic removal back and faux metal had been ridiculed for years held some back from considering them premium. Samsung would include great hardware and features but end up with plastic. To your point, most everyone puts a case on them so, IMHO, it's a fair trade for the features and hardware. Could the trade off be better? Sure. Only time will tell.
    The Note 4 is still the King of all Androids. Best phone ever minus the Note 7 since it really doesn't exist now. The Note 4 was plastic, had removeable battery, IR blaster. Make the Note 8 like the Note 4 was with those features and I'd be all over it even after just buying the S8.
    04-30-2017 05:50 PM
  16. Blues Fan's Avatar
    agreed. in some households its hard to even make the argument NOW, let alone 6 months from now when all mid-rangers will be more than likely be offering top notch specs except for one or two features. Even Samsung has equipped 2017 A line with waterproofing, 16MP Front Facing AND 16MP rear camera along with a boat load of other high end features, from 270 for 4.7 to $350 for 5.7 inch models...

    rear glass casing, ip68 cerified, new Grace UI, fingerprint scanner ON FRONT etc...if u watch u see where he has lists a few more flagship features, all for $330 on amazon, so there's that...lol)



    and this version has Latin American LTE bands which work here in us...
    https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Unloc...cUvbUpU5794095
    Still junk compared to the s8 though. Also only has 3gb of ram. No go for me.
    04-30-2017 05:51 PM
  17. BOSSY TEXAS CHICK's Avatar
    Still junk compared to the s8 though. Also only has 3gb of ram. No go for me.
    junk?! lol that's a tad harsh, but YOU are exactly the customer Samsung's S8/S8+ is targeting. I'd bet they'd take a billion more just like you : )

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    04-30-2017 06:31 PM
  18. bhatech's Avatar
    junk?! lol that's a tad harsh, but YOU are exactly the customer Samsung's S8/S8+ is targeting. I'd bet they'd take a billion more just like you : )

    BTC
    They already have along with Apple 😉
    04-30-2017 06:47 PM
  19. Aquila's Avatar
    The Note 4 is still the King of all Androids. Best phone ever minus the Note 7 since it really doesn't exist now. The Note 4 was plastic, had removeable battery, IR blaster. Make the Note 8 like the Note 4 was with those features and I'd be all over it even after just buying the S8.
    lol the Note 4 wasn't even the best phone of 2014, let alone the best Android ever.
    04-30-2017 07:40 PM
  20. bassplayrguy's Avatar
    The Note 4 is still the King of all Androids. Best phone ever minus the Note 7 since it really doesn't exist now. The Note 4 was plastic, had removeable battery, IR blaster. Make the Note 8 like the Note 4 was with those features and I'd be all over it even after just buying the S8.
    Never going to happen
    04-30-2017 07:40 PM
  21. jcp007's Avatar
    The Note 4 is still the King of all Androids. Best phone ever minus the Note 7 since it really doesn't exist now. The Note 4 was plastic, had removeable battery, IR blaster. Make the Note 8 like the Note 4 was with those features and I'd be all over it even after just buying the S8.
    I am afraid that I have to concur with earlier comments. With GS8/GS8+ pre-orders setting records, the plastic & faux metal are a thing of the past. The IR blaster, however, might have a chance but given all the sensors, it seems slim at best.
    04-30-2017 08:03 PM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    Thats what I'm talking about. I'd rather hear it how it is than to hear someone that's payed/sponsored tell me how good a product is.
    Who is being paid to do reviews?
    04-30-2017 08:08 PM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    Because there is no perfect phone, regardless of price. If we all made phone purchase decisions based on negatives only, we'd never own a phone. Name any phone and I can tell you at least five things that annoy me, even though I still may love it.

    You find a phone that gets the closest to what will work for you on the daily.
    This should be font size 200,000, bold and bright orange. ^^ Well said
    04-30-2017 08:10 PM
  24. Blues Fan's Avatar
    lol the Note 4 wasn't even the best phone of 2014, let alone the best Android ever.
    Well most diehard power users will disagree though especially Note users. Many on these forums still rock the Note 4 due to the all around features. I'm talking all around package, the Note 4 is probably the greatest phone Samsung has made to date. Yes it is not that modern now but looking at the overall picture I say it is one of the best. Behind that probably the Galaxy S2 is up there too. That was a heavy hitter for me and I really liked that phone. The thing had no bugs and was very durable. I'm not going by features but phones overall. Too early to say how the S8 will rank.
    04-30-2017 08:35 PM
  25. Aquila's Avatar
    Well most diehard power users will disagree though especially Note users. Many on these forums still rock the Note 4 due to the all around features. I'm talking all around package, the Note 4 is probably the greatest phone Samsung has made to date. Yes it is not that modern now but looking at the overall picture I say it is one of the best. Behind that probably the Galaxy S2 is up there too. That was a heavy hitter for me and I really liked that phone. The thing had no bugs and was very durable. I'm not going by features but phones overall. Too early to say how the S8 will rank.
    Yeah... the industry is not going to take the most fanatical minority of what's already a tiny minority of phone owners (the forums) subjective opinions about what is "the best phone". That question is either up to each buyer or based on sales. The best Samsung phone is, barring some unexpected major problem that hasn't reared it's head yet, the S8 Plus. By far and away. Nothing else Samsung's ever made is even close. Whether or not that's the best mobile phone is a totally different thing, but the Note 4 has absolutely nothing on the S8+ aside from some subjective criteria, such as if you love flat screens and not curved ones, etc. The S8+ beats the Note 4 on software, security, every objective aspect of the hardware, battery life, features, support, design, etc. and it'll likely top the Note in sales by a factor of 10.
    04-30-2017 08:44 PM
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