06-27-2017 08:10 AM
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  1. gernerttl's Avatar
    To be fair I've used the five most prominent smart phone OS's in the past 11 years: Palm , Blackberry, Android, Windows, and iOS. Each had/has its quirks. Of them, I still think Windows Mobile was the best. Unfortunately, Microsoft shot itself in the foot. In many ways it was a head of Android and iOS. It's the lack of app support that is it's Achilles heel. As for my S8+, I traded in my iPhone 6s Plus for it. I got tired of paying for functionality that was free on Android and Windows Mobile.

    Are there some things Samsung could have done better? Sure. But even with the quirks that the S8/8+ has, it's still better than anything Apple, HTC, or LG can put out.

    As far as people making opinions not based on fact. I'm sorry, if you can't back up your opinion with actual factual data then you should keep it to yourself. Because if you don't, then you're just making a fool of yourself and nobody will take you seriously.
    06-20-2017 10:40 PM
  2. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Some have had bad experiences, some don't like Samsung, and some just want to stir the pot. It is a mix of those. Just like Apple gets tons of hate (sometimes from people who never even gave it a shot). I mean .. Apple can work for me but I prefer Android. That said .. It doesn't mean I just blindly hate Apple.
    Ironically I like my IPad over my Android tablet. Hate my work Iphone.... Go figure.
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    06-20-2017 10:50 PM
  3. Almeuit's Avatar
    Ironically I like my IPad over my Android tablet. Hate my work Iphone.... Go figure.
    Haha. Yeah I like the iPad we have. I really don't hate iPhones .. I just prefer Android. I do love iPhones for iMessage .. Benefit is texting full videos without them being compressed like crazy by the carrier.
    06-20-2017 10:52 PM
  4. Mike Dee's Avatar
    I saw a lot of people dislike the S8 and talk about bad performance about the phone.

    I am not a Samsung fan boy but I think S8+ is the best phone and also the best looking phone right now. I never had any performance problem , no random shut down or any problem.

    I will stick with this phone until I see the phone that have better looking and I can't go back to the phone that have big top and bottom hazel anymore..

    Any thought?
    I won't pass judgement on the S8 or anyone who likes it.... Its just not for me. I like LG and they get a lot of hate too. I suppose many brands do.
    06-20-2017 10:53 PM
  5. Mike Dee's Avatar
    Haha. Yeah I like the iPad we have. I really don't hate iPhones .. I just prefer Android. I do love iPhones for iMessage .. Benefit is texting full videos without them being compressed like crazy by the carrier.
    Yeah hate is maybe a strong word. Actually before Verizon had WiFi calling I used to use an old iphone or my IPad to call home or facetime from my buddies cabin or once when I was in Mexico. At first I could only call other iPhones but the Verizon Messaging added WiFi calling linked to my number and I was able to call anywhere.
    06-20-2017 10:58 PM
  6. Aquila's Avatar
    The phone is not without issues and compromises, there are a lot of things to love about it and a lot of things to hate about it. No phone is perfect, especially this one. I'd strongly disagree that it's the best phone and the best looking phone, but I understand why people think that it is either or.
    06-21-2017 07:53 AM
  7. Suntan's Avatar
    Because people don't have any real problems in their lives, they have to manifest it by getting irrationally upset over a consumer electronics product being offered for sale.
    06-21-2017 08:03 AM
  8. Suntan's Avatar
    The phone is not without issues and compromises, there are a lot of things to love about it and a lot of things to hate about it. No phone is perfect, especially this one. I'd strongly disagree that it's the best phone and the best looking phone, but I understand why people think that it is either or.
    Define "A lot of things to hate about it?

    I mean, I can totally understand hating bone cancer in children, but does anyone really have enough energy to "hate" a feature on a phone that they are free to buy or not buy?
    06-21-2017 08:06 AM
  9. Aquila's Avatar
    Define "A lot of things to hate about it?

    I mean, I can totally understand hating bone cancer in children, but does anyone really have enough energy to "hate" a feature on a phone that they are free to buy or not buy?
    I was just using that word because of the thread title. It's exactly as easy to "hate" a feature as it is to "love" one.
    06-21-2017 08:10 AM
  10. Suntan's Avatar
    You still didn't give any definition or list of what could be considered "a lot of things to hate."
    06-21-2017 08:31 AM
  11. ABOSWORTH007's Avatar
    H8erz gone h8... Seriously though, I think part of it is the bold redesign. When I first saw it, I was like "what are they thinking?" with the FPS placement and the tall skinny design. Once you get used to it, it's an awesome device. I've had the S4, S5, S6 and S7 Edge and I can say without a doubt that the S8+ is blows all of them away in almost every aspect. The typical Samsung lag is completely gone on the S8+ in my experience.

    I do think the FPS placement is a very poor choice though. It should be lower on the device like on the LG models. Coming from the LG V20, I hated the FPS location on my S8+. The V20 FPS placement is perfect IMO. After a week with the S8+, I find the FPS location is not a problem at all for me anymore. I've totally gotten used to it. I love this phone. I have stepped away from Samsung a few times but I always end up coming back.
    06-21-2017 08:37 AM
  12. Aquila's Avatar
    You still didn't give any definition or list of what could be considered "a lot of things to hate."
    I didn't do that intentionally, because the thread isn't "what do you like and dislike about it", it's "why are people hating on it". So my comment is that it's totally valid for people to have issues with it and totally valid for people to like it.
    06-21-2017 09:17 AM
  13. Suntan's Avatar
    So what you are really saying is that you disagree with the notion that emotionally stable people should "hate" a phone, or a feature. That's a perfectly normal position to have. Too bad you didn't start with that. Because as you said, the thread isn't "what do you like and dislike." The thread is "Why is there so much hate" to which you responded that there were a lot of things to hate about it. So don't be surprised if you might be asked to actually substantiate your opinion.
    06-21-2017 09:38 AM
  14. Aquila's Avatar
    So what you are really saying is that you disagree with the notion that emotionally stable people should "hate" a phone, or a feature. That's a perfectly normal position to have. Too bad you didn't start with that. Because as you said, the thread isn't "what do you like and dislike." The thread is "Why is there so much hate" to which you responded that there were a lot of things to hate about it. So don't be surprised if you might be asked to actually substantiate your opinion.
    As I said, I think it's clear that with the thread using "hate" in the title and the prior posts, that I am using "hate" in the exact same manner as the rest of the thread. Not that people are passionately disgusted by the things, but that they dislike things. It can also be said that people who like those things or like other things are interpreting those dislikes as being hatred due to their own pro-like bias. I think there are very few people that are actually angry about any features on a device they chose not to purchase. But there are many valid complaints about the S8 that could reasonably inspire a person to choose something else in its stead.

    Futhermore, I think it's more egregious to pretend that a device is perfect or that there are no valid complaints about it, than it is to voice ones opinions about what they like and dislike about it. And, as can be seen in this thread and in others, far more people ARE angry about people disagreeing with their opinions about it, than are angry about any perceived misses on the OEM's part in producing the device. So with that in mind, pointing out that the device DOES have flaws and does have subjective aspects that people may or may not appreciate is simply putting forth the idea that perhaps the "haters" are just as justified, or even more so, than the people complaining about other people not liking it.
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    06-21-2017 09:47 AM
  15. ThrottleJohnny's Avatar
    As I said, I think it's clear that with the thread using "hate" in the title and the prior posts, that I am using "hate" in the exact same manner as the rest of the thread. Not that people are passionately disgusted by the things, but that they dislike things. It can also be said that people who like those things or like other things are interpreting those dislikes as being hatred due to their own pro-like bias. I think there are very few people that are actually angry about any features on a device they chose not to purchase. But there are many valid complaints about the S8 that could reasonably inspire a person to choose something else in its stead.

    Futhermore, I think it's more egregious to pretend that a device is perfect or that there are no valid complaints about it, than it is to voice ones opinions about what they like and dislike about it. And, as can be seen in this thread and in others, far more people ARE angry about people disagreeing with their opinions about it, than are angry about any perceived misses on the OEM's part in producing the device. So with that in mind, pointing out that the device DOES have flaws and does have subjective aspects that people may or may not appreciate is simply putting forth the idea that perhaps the "haters" are just as justified, or even more so, than the people complaining about other people not liking it.
    I think you may be talking about something different.
    06-21-2017 09:55 AM
  16. Suntan's Avatar
    As I said, I think it's clear that with the thread using "hate" in the title and the prior posts, that I am using "hate" in the exact same manner as the rest of the thread.
    Well, then I will correct you. It is in fact not clear how you are personally choosing to interpret the term "hate." Again, I will reiterate. The OP asked why people are hating the phone. You responded saying there's a lot of reasons to hate the phone. I asked you to clarify and list some reasons to "hate" the phone and then you started writing verbose paragraphs about how everyone should interpret how you expect them to understand your different usage of a colloquial term we all already know the definition of.
    06-21-2017 10:04 AM
  17. Aquila's Avatar
    Well, then I will correct you. It is in fact not clear how you are personally choosing to interpret the term "hate." Again, I will reiterate. The OP asked why people are hating the phone. You responded saying there's a lot of reasons to hate the phone. I asked you to clarify and list some reasons to "hate" the phone and then you started writing verbose paragraphs about how everyone should interpret how you expect them to understand your different usage of a colloquial term we all already know the definition of.
    So you believe that the OP means that people are basically foaming at the mouth, freaking out in rage and disgust about how much they detst the S8? Because the OP opens with, "I saw a lot of people dislike the S8 and talk about bad performance about the phone." after using "hate" in the title to describe that sentiment. So to the OP, which set the tone for replies to the OP, "hate" = "mild dislike or complaints". So I used it in the exact same manner that they did. Thanks for the correction, but you're reading too much into it.
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    06-21-2017 10:10 AM
  18. Suntan's Avatar
    So to the OP, which set the tone for replies to the OP, "hate" = "mild dislike or complaints". So I used it in the exact same manner that they did.
    Check again pal. You're the only one on this thread that is actually equating hate to mild dislike. Re-read all the posts if you must. The OP asked why people were hating the phone. (Probably because it doesn't make sense to hate a phone) the only other references to hate on this thread are people either agreeing that it doesn't make sense to hate a phone, or specifically clarifying that there are some things they dislike, but wouldn't call it hate.

    You are the only person here that has said there are things to hate about the phone.
    06-21-2017 10:15 AM
  19. brau0303's Avatar
    Opinions are exactly that, everyone will likely have a slightly different user experience because we all use different apps with various settings for sync and such. I always tell someone considering a device. decide what you want to do with the phone, then find something that does that.. (There is no holy grail device that I have seen) if you like something great, if you don't that's cool too. The good news, every generation of device gets better

    Cheers,
    BR
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    06-21-2017 10:17 AM
  20. Aquila's Avatar
    Check again pal. You're the only one on this thread that is actually equating hate to mild dislike. Re-read all the posts if you must. The OP asked why people were hating the phone. (Probably because it doesn't make sense to hate a phone) the only other references to hate on this thread are people either agreeing that it doesn't make sense to hate a phone, or specifically clarifying that there are some things they dislike, but wouldn't call it hate.

    You are the only person here that has said there are things to hate about the phone.
    Ok, we'll try this again.

    OP: "Why is there a lot of hate for the S8? I saw a lot of people dislike the S8 and talk about bad performance about the phone."

    This means that the OP believes that: a lot of people disliking the S8 and talking about their experiences with it's poor performance = so much hate

    Your point about me being the only person to point out that those people's opinions are potentially valid is pretty irrelevant. The OP is asking why so many people dislike it and I answered that there are valid reasons that they might not like it. This was done in the exact same terms that the OP used, which to the OP were interchangeable. Simply being the first to do so doesn't change what was said by either of us. It's perfectly understandable if you read it exactly as written in the context of what it is replying to.

    I'm sorta concerned that you're making such a big deal out of me using the same term as the OP, when it's obvious that the OP used them interchangeably. I hope you're not being purposely dense. Perhaps it's best to chalk it up to you misunderstanding the text and the point and we can just move on?
    06-21-2017 10:22 AM
  21. Qc_Anubis's Avatar
    As I said, I think it's clear that with the thread using "hate" in the title and the prior posts, that I am using "hate" in the exact same manner as the rest of the thread. Not that people are passionately disgusted by the things, but that they dislike things. It can also be said that people who like those things or like other things are interpreting those dislikes as being hatred due to their own pro-like bias. I think there are very few people that are actually angry about any features on a device they chose not to purchase. But there are many valid complaints about the S8 that could reasonably inspire a person to choose something else in its stead.

    Futhermore, I think it's more egregious to pretend that a device is perfect or that there are no valid complaints about it, than it is to voice ones opinions about what they like and dislike about it. And, as can be seen in this thread and in others, far more people ARE angry about people disagreeing with their opinions about it, than are angry about any perceived misses on the OEM's part in producing the device. So with that in mind, pointing out that the device DOES have flaws and does have subjective aspects that people may or may not appreciate is simply putting forth the idea that perhaps the "haters" are just as justified, or even more so, than the people complaining about other people not liking it.
    The #1 thing this thread was about is some other threads that appeared lately on the forums posting mostly only hate towards the s8 without any explanation or logic + the other people answering in these threads with hate towards the op. Hating a phone with facts and reasons (ie: red tint,bad customer service etc) is a valid point and should be respected but some people don't seem to get that message and post random threads that seem to be only trolling.

    I have an s8+ and i'm far from thinking it's perfect,i do think it's the best looking phone at the moment BUT i think the g6 looks 100x more classy than the s8. I had a slight redish tint out of the box and managed to fix it easily,but again not everyone is that lucky and these people come here to post their frustration with samsung to which i can understand what i don't get is the free hate these people get, if you'd have had a bad experience like em you'd be pissed too. Imho some threads should be closed as they often get out of hands (won't name any for obvious reasons) they tend to only attract hate as they're pretty much troll thread or random thread with no logical hate. It's fine to hate something about a phone or the phone entirely but at least point out WHY so it makes sense.
    06-21-2017 10:26 AM
  22. eric002's Avatar
    I saw a lot of people dislike the S8 and talk about bad performance about the phone.

    I am not a Samsung fan boy but I think S8+ is the best phone and also the best looking phone right now. I never had any performance problem , no random shut down or any problem.

    I will stick with this phone until I see the phone that have better looking and I can't go back to the phone that have big top and bottom hazel anymore..

    Any thought?
    I agree with you. I am also not a Samsung fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, but I do see a lot of people outwardly hating on the Galaxy S8's. Now, I can understand if they had a bad experience with the phone. Some people also just don't take the necessary precautionary measures with the phone such as a package disabler, etc. Why do I keep on bringing that up? In my experience, when you disable bloatware, you not only free up memory , you save quite a bit of battery. If people don't want to debloat, and streamline their phones unfortunately that's their own problem.

    As far as the phone being slippery and breakable... Well, it's not the only phone on the market like that , it's just one of the most heavily advertised/marketed phones on the market. I mean for ex. look at the Google Pixel phones. I love one-handing my S8; makes it soo easy to use and type on. Also it makes it very comfortable to just hold in one hand or slide into your pocket. That Super AMOLED screen Samsung is known for is absolutely gorgeous. It makes everything look like it's painted on the screen. Other than stock Android on them, there are quite a few disadvantage to them, and I was dying to buy the Pixel XL for a while. Google HAS to do a good job in their design department with then second generation hardware. Also NO flagship phone these days should come without an IP68 water rating either! I was also looking at the LG G6, but the design isn't nearly as sexy as the S8's is, and Touchwiz has more nice features of making excellent use of the new screen ration and bezel-less design. I think the HTC U11 is a nice looking phone as well, however, Sense UI still isn't all that it's cracked up to be and it' doesn't perform better than the S8 for the price point that both phones are in.

    Now, the question of should you HAVE to disable apps, and debloat your phone just to have a good user experience? Of course not, but the S8's have are giving us the best Samsung TOuchwiz experience ever. If you don't want bloatware whatsoever, then go buy a Pixel phone. It's not a bad option, but there are certain features of the S8's Touchwiz UI that I do love over stock Android as well. That being said, I absolutely love my Galaxy S8!
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    06-21-2017 10:28 AM
  23. Aquila's Avatar
    The #1 thing this thread was about is some other threads that appeared lately on the forums posting mostly only hate towards the s8 without any explanation or logic + the other people answering in these threads with hate towards the op. Hating a phone with facts and reasons (ie: red tint,bad customer service etc) is a valid point and should be respected but some people don't seem to get that message and post random threads that seem to be only trolling.

    I have an s8+ and i'm far from thinking it's perfect,i do think it's the best looking phone at the moment BUT i think the g6 looks 100x more classy than the s8. I had a slight redish tint out of the box and managed to fix it easily,but again not everyone is that lucky and these people come here to post their frustration with samsung to which i can understand what i don't get is the free hate these people get, if you'd have had a bad experience like em you'd be pissed too. Imho some threads should be closed as they often get out of hands (won't name any for obvious reasons) they tend to only attract hate as they're pretty much troll thread or random thread with no logical hate. It's fine to hate something about a phone or the phone entirely but at least point out WHY so it makes sense.
    I agree there are a lot of ridiculous threads; not all of them are intending to troll, etc. though. Some members of the forums are more passionate than others and/or more vocal about their opinions. The S8 is going to be a magnet for those because it's the most popular Android device in the markets that we serve and by far the most popular section of the forums. It's one of the only devices that almost everyone knows something about, like it, love it, don't care or hate it - most people have an opinion one way or another about it. The goal would be to have everyone feeling like they can share those opinions, positive or negative, in a productive and respectful manner that positively contributes to the discussion.

    The difference between, "hmm, that's an interesting point; I disagree with this part..." and "FUFUFUFUFU TROLL GTFO and DIE!!!" are night and day.
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    06-21-2017 10:32 AM
  24. Suntan's Avatar
    ...and I answered that there are valid reasons that they might not like it.
    No. You responded that there were a lot of things to hate about the phone.


    I'm sorta concerned that you're making such a big deal out of me using the same term as the OP,
    And I'm sorta concerned that you can't just come out and admit that you didn't mean to suggest "there's a lot of things to hate" about a phone.

    We'll have to leave it at that as you seem to be more concerned with twisting and wriggling over the meaning of well defined words fully established in the English language than you are to actually discuss your opinion about the phone. Again, you said there's lots of reasons to hate the phone, and I asked you to clarify that. I wasn't looking for butthurt, I was just looking for a list of items that you considered "hate-worthy" so we could discuss them.

    Good day.
    06-21-2017 10:34 AM
  25. Aquila's Avatar
    No. You responded that there were a lot of things to hate about the phone.



    And I'm sorta concerned that you can't just come out and admit that you didn't mean to suggest "there's a lot of things to hate" about a phone.

    We'll have to leave it at that as you seem to be more concerned with twisting and wriggling over the meaning of well defined words fully established in the English language than you are to actually discuss your opinion about the phone. Again, you said there's lots of reasons to hate the phone, and I asked you to clarify that. I wasn't looking for butthurt, I was just looking for a list of items that you considered "hate-worthy" so we could discuss them.

    Good day.
    There are. And I'm not twisting the wording, as I've explained twice - I'm using them in the exact same way that the OP did.

    Examples of things people "hate" (or dislike, or whatever you want to call it:
    Glass body
    FPS location
    Software (the software itself and lack of updates)
    Lack of security update commitment
    Poor audio compared to its competition
    Camera is, for the first time in years, not the best in its generation
    QuickCharge 2.0
    Bixby
    Edge display
    Red Tint
    Wifi and BT issuse
    Bloatware
    Aspect Ratio

    But the other important part, is that some people love some of those very things and there are way more things to love (or like, or whatever you want to call it) than there are to dislike:
    Great SoC
    Best display on an Android
    Best performing galaxy device to date
    Aspect Ratio
    Edge Display
    Wireless Charging
    Battery Life
    FPS finally on the back
    Capacities Keys finally gone
    64 GB base storage
    Camera is still great, even if it's not #1 it's still awesome
    Best looking software ever on a Galaxy
    Still gets security updates more often than other OEMs except for BB & Google
    High water resistance rating
    Lots of accessories built around it
    S8+ huge device without feeling like a monster.
    Lots of free stuff given away with device to increase value


    Etc, etc. People feeling one way or another about anything on either list is totally valid. But it is possible to make both lists (for this and for just about every other phone) - so it's therefor valid to have complaints about it.
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    06-21-2017 10:43 AM
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