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  1. Dark Pixels ll's Avatar
    And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW?

    Only thing I can think is they plow forward and keep improving the service.
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    07-24-2017 03:44 PM
  2. TylerLV76's Avatar
    And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW,
    Shove it down our throats for the next 2 years until they abandon it.

    They will never get access to Android Auto or Google Home or Alexa. There were rumors of a speaker but the latest I read is there wont be a speaker as of now. Without Android Auto or one of the 2 biggest smart home systems being on board, its doomed.
    07-24-2017 03:46 PM
  3. Aquila's Avatar
    And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW?

    Only thing I can think is they plow forward and keep improving the service.
    Eh, I'd strip it down to bare bones, make it a more efficient way of communicating with their smart things and slowly phase it out since Home already does that. Think Alexa does too.
    07-24-2017 03:52 PM
  4. Almeuit's Avatar
    And now we're here. Samsung can't go back in time, so what do they do NOW?

    Only thing I can think is they plow forward and keep improving the service.
    And how do you think the others "got it right" over the years? Criticism from the things people thought were bad.. and then they improved on those things to make more and more people enjoy it.
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    07-24-2017 04:07 PM
  5. Dark Pixels ll's Avatar
    And how do you think the others "got it right" over the years? Criticism from the things people thought were bad.. and then they improved on those things to make more and more people enjoy it.
    I don't disagree, and Samsung doesn't strike me as a company that gives up on much of anything (the Note brand).
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    07-24-2017 04:19 PM
  6. TylerLV76's Avatar
    I don't disagree, and Samsung doesn't strike me as a company that gives up on much of anything (the Note brand).
    Milk Music, S-Voice, slowly accepting that Touch Wiz was/is horrible. Those come to the top of my mind of ideas that were redundant like Bixby.

    People love the Note series, they would be fools to give up on it yet. It competes with Apple every year.
    07-24-2017 04:24 PM
  7. Premium1's Avatar
    Software has never really been Samsung's forte... yes, they write a lot of it, but they often aren't very good at it... And even they admitted that they don't have the acquired knowledge for their voice stuff to function as well as others. A good assistant needs to know a lot... whether it is machine learning, or user data, whatever... and here, Samsung is hitting WAAAAY out of its weight class. Bixby just seems to be Samsung pulling a 'I can do that too!!' as they jump and and down behind Google Assistant.

    But they've given a much faster runner about a mile head start. They'd be better served devoting those resources elsewhere.
    I feel like samsung wants that whole ecosystem which is why they try and make everything their own rather than use what is already there.
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    07-24-2017 04:26 PM
  8. Aquila's Avatar
    I feel like samsung wants that whole ecosystem which is why they try and make everything their own rather than use what is already there.
    Right, that's the problem. Because they're only good at 2 aspects of a many faceted ecosystem. They're good at hardware quality and marketing. They're not good at software, supply chain, product innovation, product testing, security, market research, resource management, etc. Using what's already there is exactly what they should be doing.
    07-24-2017 05:09 PM
  9. GRUNT11B's Avatar
    Right, that's the problem. Because they're only good at 2 aspects of a many faceted ecosystem. They're good at hardware quality and marketing. They're not good at software, supply chain, product innovation, product testing, security, market research, resource management, etc. Using what's already there is exactly what they should be doing.
    I'm glad Samsung doesn't use what's already there. Some of their software is better and they come out with many features years before Google does. If I wanted to be the same and have bland software with no choices I would buy an iPhone. The freedom of choice is what makes Android great. Android would be nothing without Samsung.
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    07-24-2017 05:19 PM
  10. Aquila's Avatar
    I'm glad Samsung doesn't use what's already there. Some of their software is better and they come out with many features years before Google does. If I wanted to be the same and have bland software with no choices I would buy an iPhone. The freedom of choice is what makes Android great. Android would be nothing without Samsung.
    No one is saying that they shouldn't innovate new features or products. Creating redundant products and wasting billions of dollars on those products is absolutely not the same thing as creating new products. The things you're talking about where they invented a feature or were the first to release it on a device are areas where they didn't waste a whole bunch of resources on redundant stuff. So you are making my point for me however I feel like you think that we disagree.
    07-24-2017 05:31 PM
  11. Dark Pixels ll's Avatar
    While I don't find Bixby to be totally perfect and useful yet, I don't really find it redundant either. Currently I have Assistant and Bixby working in harmony. What one doesn't do, the other one does.

    It's seems a bit early to call Bixby doomed imo, the same thing people said initially about Samsung Pay.

    I've long since deleted Android Pay off my phone as IT is the one that seems redundant.
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    07-24-2017 05:51 PM
  12. Premium1's Avatar
    Right, that's the problem. Because they're only good at 2 aspects of a many faceted ecosystem. They're good at hardware quality and marketing. They're not good at software, supply chain, product innovation, product testing, security, market research, resource management, etc. Using what's already there is exactly what they should be doing.
    I think you’re way off on many parts. They are great with supply chain (they don’t have issues some other OEMs have) and they are pretty good with product innovation, hence how we have infinity displays and the note line with s pen when everyone said they were crazy..
    07-24-2017 06:34 PM
  13. TylerLV76's Avatar
    I think you’re way off on many parts. They are great with supply chain (they don’t have issues some other OEMs have) and they are pretty good with product innovation, hence how we have infinity displays and the note line with s pen when everyone said they were crazy..
    Samsung did not innovate either of those things.

    "Infinity display" is Samsung's fancy term for a large screen with small bezel. Nubia had one in 2015, Xiaomi has one, LG announced the G6 before Samsung.

    Stylus' with phones dates all the way back to IBM with the Simon smartphone.

    I honestly don't know one thing Samsung or Apple innovated that they take credit for. Iris scanners have been around since I believe 2011, fingerprint scanners since 2005 (might have those 2 backwards).

    Nokia made the first amoled screen.

    They didn't even invent the curved screen, they just beat their competition, who actually created the idea, to market.
    07-24-2017 07:07 PM
  14. kevinpleasants's Avatar
    Samsung did not innovate either of those things.

    "Infinity display" is Samsung's fancy term for a large screen with small bezel. Nubia had one in 2015, Xiaomi has one, LG announced the G6 before Samsung.

    Stylus' with phones dates all the way back to IBM with the Simon smartphone.

    I honestly don't know one thing Samsung or Apple innovated that they take credit for. Iris scanners have been around since I believe 2011, fingerprint scanners since 2005 (might have those 2 backwards).

    Nokia made the first amoled screen.

    They didn't even invent the curved screen, they just beat their competition, who actually created the idea, to market.
    If you don't like Bixby don't use it. Don't knock it just because you don't like it or don't find it useful. Use or don't use whatever you want. The fact that Samsung put the button on the S8/S8Plus and didn't have the software ready is really no big deal. It's ready now and I like it. Samsung didn't design the phone especially for you so if you buy one expect software or hardware included that you may not like or intend to use. Samsung wants it's own ecosystem and there's nothing wrong with that. You know what you're getting before you buy it. Reading some post it appears that some people got mad because you couldn't remap the button after finding out Bixby software wasn't completely ready. That's just childish.
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    07-24-2017 07:27 PM
  15. Almeuit's Avatar
    If you don't like Bixby don't use it. Don't knock it just because you don't like it or don't find it useful. Use or don't use whatever you want. The fact that Samsung put the button on the S8/S8Plus and didn't have the software ready is really no big deal. It's ready now and I like it. Samsung didn't design the phone especially for you so if you buy one expect software or hardware included that you may not like or intend to use. Samsung wants it's own ecosystem and there's nothing wrong with that. You know what you're getting before you buy it. Reading some post it appears that some people got mad because you couldn't remap the button after finding out Bixby software wasn't completely ready. That's just childish.
    I definitely disagree that sharing an opinion about the product is childish. Talking and discussing what we like and don't like is part of the forum experience. We don't want only positive posts and ignore criticism. As long as it's all done respectfully there isn't an issue.
    07-24-2017 07:33 PM
  16. TylerLV76's Avatar
    If you don't like Bixby don't use it. Don't knock it just because you don't like it or don't find it useful. Use or don't use whatever you want. The fact that Samsung put the button on the S8/S8Plus and didn't have the software ready is really no big deal. It's ready now and I like it. Samsung didn't design the phone especially for you so if you buy one expect software or hardware included that you may not like or intend to use. Samsung wants it's own ecosystem and there's nothing wrong with that. You know what you're getting before you buy it. Reading some post it appears that some people got mad because you couldn't remap the button after finding out Bixby software wasn't completely ready. That's just childish.
    I'm sorry, I was under the impression we were on a forum where people were allowed to discuss things pertaining to devices.

    I think I've been very clear that I'm glad it works for some but for me it's useless. Ive given reasons explaining why I feel the way I do and the only useful response Ive been given about what makes Bixby a useful tool over any other AI is "it can search for my pictures and email them".

    Getting upset that I don't like something and have voiced my opinion is no better than me voicing my opinion in the first place.

    It's getting knocked because it should have been thought out and executed a long time ago. I would love to just "not use it" but unfortunately Samsung stuck a button on the side of the phone that loves to be activated with ease. Yes I have disabled it but had they actually thought things through, I wouldn't be disabling anything.

    You like it, great. Many people don't. They would have known that had they done their research.
    07-24-2017 07:34 PM
  17. kevinpleasants's Avatar
    I definitely disagree that sharing an opinion about the product is childish. Talking and discussing what we like and don't like is part of the forum experience. We don't want only positive posts and ignore criticism. As long as it's all done respectfully there isn't an issue.
    I didn't say that sharing an opinion about a product was childish. I said getting mad that the button couldn't be re-mapped and the Bixby software wasn't completely ready was childish. That was my opinion.
    07-24-2017 07:39 PM
  18. TylerLV76's Avatar
    I didn't say that sharing an opinion about a product was childish. I said getting mad that the button couldn't be re-mapped and the Bixby software wasn't completely ready was childish. That was my opinion.
    Who's mad the button can't be remapped? Of course people should be mad that they released the button before finishing the software. You don't release a car before putting in the engine do you?
    07-24-2017 07:41 PM
  19. Almeuit's Avatar
    I didn't say that sharing an opinion about a product was childish. I said getting mad that the button couldn't be re-mapped and the Bixby software wasn't completely ready was childish. That was my opinion.
    That's fine to have an opinion but calling someone childish is more of an insult then anything. Nothing pleasent is meant from it.

    Just because people may want to remap something and you don't doesn't make it childish. Just like I don't care for root and some are die hard must root people. They aren't childish because we don't agree.
    07-24-2017 07:44 PM
  20. Dark Pixels ll's Avatar
    Who's mad the button can't be remapped? Of course people should be mad that they released the button before finishing the software. You don't release a car before putting in the engine do you?
    Mad? Not really. Frustrated? Somewhat. It was still a great phone without the Bixby finished software, and now parts of my phone feel brand new again.

    Plus, finished software wasn't going to stop some people from hating Bixby regardless.
    07-24-2017 07:48 PM
  21. kevinpleasants's Avatar
    I'm sorry, I was under the impression we were on a forum where people were allowed to discuss things pertaining to devices.

    I think I've been very clear that I'm glad it works for some but for me it's useless. Ive given reasons explaining why I feel the way I do and the only useful response Ive been given about what makes Bixby a useful tool over any other AI is "it can search for my pictures and email them".

    Getting upset that I don't like something and have voiced my opinion is no better than me voicing my opinion in the first place.

    It's getting knocked because it should have been thought out and executed a long time ago. I would love to just "not use it" but unfortunately Samsung stuck a button on the side of the phone that loves to be activated with ease. Yes I have disabled it but had they actually thought things through, I wouldn't be disabling anything.

    You like it, great. Many people don't. They would have known that had they done their research.
    That was my opinion......why do you think Samsung didn't think this thru? It's obvious they did. They placed every other button where THEY wanted to. Its up to us the buyers to get use to its placement.
    07-24-2017 07:50 PM
  22. TylerLV76's Avatar
    That was my opinion......why do you think Samsung didn't think this thru? It's obvious they did. They placed every other button where THEY wanted to. Its up to us the buyers to get use to its placement.
    The software came out 3 months after the phone. Pretty simple. It's still in beta, isn't in the UK, doesn't work with 3rd party messages, doesn't work with their own music app. I mean the list goes on and on.
    07-24-2017 07:52 PM
  23. kevinpleasants's Avatar
    The software came out 3 months after the phone. Pretty simple. It's still in beta, isn't in the UK, doesn't work with 3rd party messages, doesn't work with their own music app. I mean the list goes on and on.
    Yea it took awhile for them to get the voice feature going but they got it, things happen. I'm in the US. It's not in beta here. Voice has been updated supposedly on every carrier. Of course It's designed to work with Samsung apps but there are several 3rd party apps that it works with. They are found in Bixby Labs in the app settings. It does work with its own music app which is Google Play Music (search and you'll find an article informing us that Samsung started using GPM as their main music app on their phones now). The list goes as far as anyone wants to take it lol.
    07-24-2017 08:40 PM
  24. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Yea it took awhile for them to get the voice feature going but they got it, things happen. I'm in the US. It's not in beta here. Voice has been updated supposedly on every carrier. Of coure It's designed to work with Samsung apps but there are several 3rd party apps that it works with. They are found in Bixby Labs in the app settings. It does work with its own music app which is Google Play Music (search and you'll find an article informing us that Samsung started using GPM as their main music app on their phones now). The list goes as far as anyone wants to take it lol.
    So when do you think it will come to Android Auto or work with smart home devices besides Smartthings hubs? Before you look it up, the answer is never. It will never get integration into Android Auto, you know the thing almost every car manufacturer is putting in their cars.


    As for messaging apps, it works for theirs and that's it. The most widely used messaging app doesn't have support yet Google assistant supports it.
    07-24-2017 08:45 PM
  25. Dark Pixels ll's Avatar
    So when do you think it will come to Android Auto or work with smart home devices besides Smartthings hubs? Before you look it up, the answer is never. It will never get integration into Android Auto, you know the thing almost every car manufacturer is putting in their cars.


    As for messaging apps, it works for theirs and that's it. The most widely used messaging app doesn't have support yet Google assistant supports it.
    Google Assistant only worked with the Pixel when it debuted.
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    07-24-2017 08:55 PM
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