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  1. mlblack16's Avatar
    Here's a quick example. I've zoomed in and cropped tight on the detail of the flower head and got some dark space in the background. Neither area was the target focus of the photograph (was just a quick snap in pro mode).

    Aperture F2.4. Focal Length 4.30mm. ISO 100. Exposure 1/33s.

    The first noisy jpeg is how the unedited dng file appears. The clean jpeg below that is how the dng file is cleaned automatically by the Adobe Lightroom algorithm on load-up. I couldn't get anywhere near that with my S9+ on Oreo.

    Please be fair on the zoom and crop. They're rather extreme for any smartphone camera to shine and were not the target focus.
    Wow, much improved! Another question (sorry, know nothing about photography) what settings should the stock camera be on to have the best file to load into Lightroom so it can do its magic? You mentioned raw images?
    02-08-2019 07:59 AM
  2. MJS10's Avatar
    Wow, much improved! Another question (sorry, know nothing about photography) what settings should the stock camera be on to have the best file to load into Lightroom so it can do its magic? You mentioned raw images?
    You can only get the raw/dng format files with Pro mode. It's the dng file that Lightroom will do its magic with.

    The jpegs produced in phone in either Auto mode or Pro mode are much better now than on Oreo. I haven't tested the other modes yet. You only need the dng files if the subject of thorough editing is your thing. The jpegs are a good enough quality of their own now for a little light editing or sharing straight to social media.
    02-08-2019 08:27 AM
  3. paridge's Avatar
    RAW files aren't meant to be used as is. They're meant to be uploaded to a photo editor for conversion to JPEG, TIFF, etc. That's why they don't “look right.”
    02-08-2019 10:06 AM
  4. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    Here's a quick example. I've zoomed in and cropped tight on the detail of the flower head and got some dark space in the background. Neither area was the target focus of the photograph (was just a quick snap in pro mode).

    Aperture F2.4. Focal Length 4.30mm. ISO 100. Exposure 1/33s.

    The first noisy jpeg is how the unedited dng file appears. The clean jpeg below that is how the dng file is cleaned automatically by the Adobe Lightroom algorithm on load-up. I couldn't get anywhere near that with my S9+ on Oreo.

    Please be fair on the zoom and crop. They're rather extreme for any smartphone camera to shine and were not the target focus.
    I think you’re failing to understand about raw (dng in this case) files.
    The image you see when you look at a raw with whatever photo app you’re using is simply a very low resolution, very tiny jpg thumbnail that is embedded into the raw file. Of course it looks like crap if you enlarge it at all. It is simple a thumbnail.
    The raw file, other than that small low res thumbnail, has nothing else in it that is viewable by any photo app. That’s why the raws have a thumbnail embedded into them. To allow a person to quickly sort though the raws.
    The raw file contains (other than the thumbnail) a bunch of digital numbers that are the luminance value of each pixel and a bunch of metadata which are instructions for the raw converter and other data needed by the converter.
    Any raw converter works that “magic” and converts all that data into a viewable image.
    There are many raw converters available. Lightroom is only one of many.
    There are several excellent free raw converters that are every bit as good as LR or better.
    For example I don’t use LR anymore as it still has trouble handling the x-trans sensor data from the higher end Fujifilm cameras (which I use).
    02-09-2019 07:09 AM
  5. MJS10's Avatar
    What? My series of posts is about the Pie update on the S9+ helping produce quality raw files (and jpegs). They were terrible with any editor under Oreo. I've found Lightroom handles the new files well, hence the examples.
    02-09-2019 07:23 AM
  6. Bermuda_Man's Avatar
    What? My series of posts is about the Pie update on the S9+ helping produce quality raw files (and jpegs). They were terrible with any editor under Oreo. I've found Lightroom handles the new files well, hence the examples.
    Technical details of RAW files aside, the main point of the post was that the Pie update has helped improve the camera. This is still great news, thanks for letting us know.
    02-09-2019 09:17 AM
  7. Bermuda_Man's Avatar
    "There are many raw converters available. Lightroom is only one of many.
    There are several excellent free raw converters that are every bit as good as LR or better. "

    I personally like Lightroom but am always interested in trying others as well, what are some of your recommendations for free editors?
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    02-09-2019 09:20 AM
  8. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    "There are many raw converters available. Lightroom is only one of many.
    There are several excellent free raw converters that are every bit as good as LR or better. "

    I personally like Lightroom but am always interested in trying others as well, what are some of your recommendations for free editors?
    Yes:

    - Raw Therapee is a very well known one.
    - Darktable is another very well known one.

    Both of these are open source projects and have been around for a long time.
    Darktable is a full featured raw converter having spot adjustments, mask and layers with fully adjustable opacity etc., gradient filters, advance color adjustments, etc.
    Darktable is the most full featured of the two, surpassing even LR in some areas.
    Both have extensive YouTube tutorials.
    Goggle them.

    I use Darktable. I used LR for years and it was ok but became a little disappointed with its outputs sometimes and also it’s subscription only pricing now.
    Also of all the raw converters (paid or free) available, it’s the worse in regards to its handling of the Fujifilm raw files. They use a different type of CFA (color filter array) sensor than most other digital cameras and LR just hasn’t been able to figure it out (or so it seems).
    Besides LR (regarding paid commercial raw converters) I’ve used DXO and Capture One, both of which are fanstastic raw converters also.
    02-09-2019 06:30 PM
  9. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    Raw Therapee and Darktable, both have steep learning curves (Darktable more so mainly because of all of it’s very advanced features), however both have extensive user manuals and both have expensive YouTube tutorials available.
    02-09-2019 07:01 PM
  10. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    What? My series of posts is about the Pie update on the S9+ helping produce quality raw files (and jpegs). They were terrible with any editor under Oreo. I've found Lightroom handles the new files well, hence the examples.
    I would be more than surprised if the raw files changed because of Pie. Post up a couple of pre and post Pie raws somewhere (maybe your G Drive) where we can get to them please.
    02-09-2019 07:03 PM
  11. MJS10's Avatar
    What's happening? I came to share that I get more pleasing jpegs with Pie and more pleasing Lightroom edits of raw files with Pie.

    Link to Google drive dng's of my cat. Similar light, distance from lens etc... The older one Oreo, the one from today is Pie.

    Edit: Link removed. How do I remove my location from the data in the dng? It's not an editable option using Gallery.
    02-10-2019 07:06 AM
  12. mlblack16's Avatar
    Raw Therapee and Darktable, both have steep learning curves (Darktable more so mainly because of all of it’s very advanced features), however both have extensive user manuals and both have expensive YouTube tutorials available.
    Odd, I can't find either of these when I search the Play Store?
    02-10-2019 03:05 PM
  13. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    Odd, I can't find either of these when I search the Play Store?

    Oh sorry. These are not android apps. They are for desktops, PCs, etc.
    it’s kind of silly to work with and develop raw files on a cell phone. The screen is way too small to see what’s going on.
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    02-10-2019 05:46 PM
  14. Fred98TJ's Avatar
    What's happening? I came to share that I get more pleasing jpegs with Pie and more pleasing Lightroom edits of raw files with Pie.

    Link to Google drive dng's of my cat. Similar light, distance from lens etc... The older one Oreo, the one from today is Pie.

    Edit: Link removed. How do I remove my location from the data in the dng? It's not an editable option using Gallery.
    Search the play store for exif editor.
    02-10-2019 05:47 PM
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