10-11-2011 10:55 AM
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  1. DuStU's Avatar
    I too am a new android user, coming from webos land (original pre-). Still trying to convince the wife to make the leap to the epic touch, but she may be holding out for iphone 5.

    Hey, so, the pre charger has the same volts/amps as the epic touch's charger, and the microUSB plug from the pre fits in the touch. Does anyone know if the pins are all the same so that the cable actually is compatible?
    There arent pins anymore there is the Iphone connector and the rest which are (micro usb or mini usb) It seems everyone is switching to mini. Its about time we have universal charging! I am using my pre charger for the phone and so is my gf for her brand new nexus S
    09-20-2011 01:10 AM
  2. DuStU's Avatar
    I had an original Pre on Sprint and was holding out for the Pre 3. Sooooooo f'in pissed off at HP for screwing us over. I have a Samsung Galaxy 10.1 tablet that a vendor gave me, so figured I might as well the the Samsung phone.
    Still not sure if I like android yet, but it can't be worse than IOS which I just despise.

    For me its the App Market that won me over. Android is going to have thousands of phones literally in like 3 more years and apple will still have one that you cant customize (lookwize) without "jailbreaking" I am all for the open source world. So it was fitting for me to move from palm to Android. I am slowing cleaning up all the clutter that came with this phone as I am learning and enjoy this phone more and more!
    09-20-2011 01:13 AM
  3. thegordo's Avatar
    From a day-one Pre- to my day-one SGS2E4GT (ugh, what a name).

    Mostly, I'm thrilled with the new phone. I dearly love webOS (and still have a TouchPad), but my poor Pre was giving out and I had a really bitter taste over the Pre3 situation. I was going to get an EVO shift, but after talking to the guy at Best Buy, he gave me every reason to wait for the SGS2. I showed up on Friday at Best Buy and he informed me that his store wasn't getting them until Monday. Sooo, I went to the local Sprint company store and got myself hooked up. I'm glad I waited for the SGS2.

    Minus the obvious elegance of webOS in comparison (blah, blah, blah), I'm finding the transition to be fine. APPS! I was one of those 'apps don't matter much' until now that I have tons of real ones to choose from. The phone is fast, the screen is AWESOME, and everything is very responsive.

    Oddly enough, the on-board speaker is fairly decent. I held up the phone with one hand (cupped around the speaker end to create an acoustic chamber) and showed Pavarotti singing Nessun Dorma to an entire classroom of folks and it was an excellent experience. the speed and convenience with which I could show that was just awesome.

    The list of positives is very long, and I made the right decision for me.

    Now, the irritations:

    1. Believe it or not, this phone doesn't quite have the reception that the Pre had. Total surprise there, but just a few places in the building I work bring evidence that the Pre had the edge. A very small edge, but an edge nonetheless.

    2. This phone doesn't automatically port (and automatically update) my Facebook friends' pictures into the photo area of their contact information. I totally LOVED this feature. Is this something that can happen that I don't yet know about?

    3. Nothing beats the 'just type' feature. The rest is commentary that's already been said. On the other hand, nothing beats the Voice Command feature, either.

    4. I'm holding out for ICS before I have too many opinions about the multitasking/navigation. I assume there will be improvement here. On this front, webOS it ain't.

    5. I cannot choose my WiFi connection from multiple sources once it already recognizes one it's logged into before. This is a real issue for me. In my situation I work with both filtered and unfiltered connections, and I need to be able to choose between multiple WiFi connections at any time. I can't seem to figure out how to make this happen. Am I missing something?

    6. The stock browser is even way lousier than webOS's (and gives me nightmare flashbacks about my horrid year with an Instinct). I just got both Dolphin and Opera, and they both look promising, so we'll see if there is some improvement there. I haven't had time enough on them yet.

    7. Wireless tethering has been blocked. This is a feature I used quite a bit with my Pre. I understand some rooting solves this problem, as it is a Sprint issue. I'm hesitant to root until after the ICS update. I never rooted my Pre, but I'm really game to dig into this phone as soon as I feel the time is right.

    8. No touchstone without major surgery (which ain't gonna happen here). On the flip-side, I HAVE A REAL BATTERY THAT LASTS A REALLY LONG TIME IN COMPARISON TO WHAT I HAD!!! WOO HOO!!!

    9. My meaty paws will never learn to manage a virtual keyboard with any proficiency. I'm not into the horizontal keyboard thing (my wife has an Intercept -- no offense to anyone, but I just feel girly on a horizontal kybd. It's my problem, I know), so I'll just pine for the good old days of the Palm keyboard.

    Make no mistake -- for every complaint above I have 10 to 20 points of love and joy for this phone. I was an active part of the webOS community and am looking forward to digging in to all the love and Androidy goodness over on this side of life.

    So, if anyone has suggestions as to how I can help any of the above, that would be totally cool. It's good to be here.
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    09-20-2011 07:53 AM
  4. kh4fun's Avatar
    I am still researching this phone as a replacement of my Pre-. Still have many questions yet to answer.

    1. Call quality. For both through earpiece and speakerphone: How does it sound on both ends? Is the volume loud enough when needed?

    2. Email: I check 1 Google accounts and 5 IMAP Push emails for my web-site. Do I need to install a different email program to handle all this?

    3. Signal Strength: Due to where I work I have very few bars of Sprint service and sometimes go roaming? Has does this compare to the Pre-?

    4. Battery Life: Pre- goes from fully charged to 50% in 5 hours and dead in about 7 hours. With moderate to sometimes kinda heavy data usage, little voice, how's the battery life compared to the Pre?

    5. Size of phone: This phone seems large compared to the Pre-. Using it does it seem big to hold and use on a regular basis?

    6: Keyboard: Only used physical keyboards. Is it taking very long to be sorta comfortable using the virtual keyboard?

    Sorry for all the questions, however with Sprint cancelling the Premeir program I hope to find a phone that I enjoy for the 2 year contract.

    09-20-2011 12:58 PM
  5. MaddogMike of the Tundra's Avatar
    Pre- user since its launch; bought wife one last year (she loves it for its mirror on the back), WebOS is soooooooooo user friendly and intuitive.... and now its gone. Was holding out for the Pre3... The ET will be my first Android phone. I expect it will be quite a learning curve after using palm devices since my first Tungsten e, Treo 650, Treo 755, and the Pre-; but what choice do I have? no, I will not shackle myself to an iphone (its a control thing)...

    Ordered my new ET from wirefly.... delivery is tomorrow. oh yeah, my Pre- died last week.... had to roll back to using my Treo 755... WOW... did I get used to multitasking on the Pre-!!!!! Treo is MONO-tasking something fierce! forgot how that was... wonder where the Android fits between Multitasking and Monotasking...

    wonder if I'll adjust to Android.....

    FU HP!!!
    09-20-2011 01:10 PM
  6. mpnalvin's Avatar
    @kh Some of these answers will necessarily vary depending on personal circumstances. Here are my answers.
    1. Call quality is excellent. The speakerphone is much louder than the Pre-. On Saturday I did a road trip with my wife and forgot my 3.5mm cable to hook the phone to the car stereo. We were able to listen to internet radio using the speakerphone and it was pretty clear above the road noise. Not the best for bass, though.
    2. From what I've read, K9Mail will handle the multiple accounts.
    3. Mileage varies here. My signal is better than with my Pre-. On the other hand, another poster finds it worse.
    4. Battery life is generally much better on the ET. The big thing is how much you use the screen and 4G. If I'm using Pandora over wifi, for example, I can pull down a lot of data using little battery. If you are surfing on the phone with 4G, you'll get (probably much) less. Still, even on Wifi most of the time I had to charge my Pre- every day or it would be dead. This is not the case with the ET.
    5. No "seems" about it - this is a big phone. I mostly notice it in the width rather than the height, since the height is about the same as my Pre- with the keyboard extended. The size makes it great for surfing and reading emails. I think you will just need to try it and see how it feels in your hand. For me, the size is not uncomfortable.
    6. The virtual keyboards are good as virtual keyboards go, and there are a lot of choices. The screen width helps, since it makes the keys larger. I am finding the virtual keyboard a definite downgrade from the physical one. But on the other hand, there's really not a lot of choice in terms of smartphones with physical keyboards that might last me 2 years, and the physical keyboards I've tried have not been good at all. My conclusion is that I will just have to deal with it, and focus on getting as good at the virtual keyboards as I can. There's certainly plenty else to enjoy about the phone.
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    09-20-2011 01:33 PM
  7. mpnalvin's Avatar
    @maddog Android is perfectly capable of multitasking. The issue that I faced as Pre user was not multitasking, but task switching. On the Pre, everything is a card. New browser windows , for example, are new cards, and you can switch back and forth easily from any other app to any browser window.

    On Android, the picture is less consistent. It is app-oriented rather than window-oriented, similar to OSX. New browser windows are managed by the browser app, so you need to be in the browser to switch to a particular browser window. Some things that aren't really apps (like "Settings") function as apps. Android has an easy way of getting to the last 6 launched apps (which might or might not be running), and a more complicated way of seeing what is actually running. Samsung has provided a nice "Active Applications" widget on the ET that makes switching between running applications much easier, especially if you tend to run a lot of applications and don't kill them (which some people argue is the preferred practice).

    I doubt you will have significant trouble adjusting. It's a much easier switch than, say, Windows to OSX.
    09-20-2011 02:00 PM
  8. folarino's Avatar

    2. This phone doesn't automatically port (and automatically update) my Facebook friends' pictures into the photo area of their contact information. I totally LOVED this feature. Is this something that can happen that I don't yet know about?
    Login to Facebook via the Social Hub app and this should resolve it.
    09-20-2011 02:08 PM
  9. MaddogMike of the Tundra's Avatar
    thanks, @mpnalvin!
    I am going to miss the cards... I've always had at least 6 apps running for easy/instant access. I've been reading the tips and stuff since joining this board and although there's a ton of tips out there, it seems complicated.... but then so did going from a Palm OS to WebOS...

    cant wait for tomorrow and I can start to explore this "android" OS that so many folks rave about...

    wonder if this is how all those Betamax folks felt like when VHS took over....
    09-20-2011 02:11 PM
  10. Pun's Avatar
    I came from a Pre-, I'm a little lost but I'm getting it down...miss webos, but this phone is real nice and once I get the hang of android I'll be fine.
    09-20-2011 03:40 PM
  11. Riboflavin's Avatar
    I keep swiping down to bring down the notifications bar...and then swiping it down to make it go away like in webOS.

    Also, i miss the mirror on the back. Even as a male user, it came in handy every once in awhile.

    Hardware is awesome. Swype keyboard is pretty cool. Widgets/multiple home screens are cool. Actually having apps is cool.

    Phone is a little big, but i am just keeping it on my desk or whathaveyou most of the time instead of keeping it in my pocket.
    09-20-2011 04:04 PM
  12. mulcher's Avatar
    Thank you all for posting your thoughts. I am a launch day Pre girl and while I have decided to move on to Android, I just can't seem to make the leap.

    My biggest block is the lack of physical keyboard. How bad is it, really? I am considering going with the Epic 4G just to keep a keyboard, but I understand it is actually on its way out of the lineup and I don't want to have my new phone already be old. LOL

    Oh, and does it strike any of you as ironic that we are going from one of the shortest named phones to the longest? Seriously, what are we calling this thing?
    I dumped my original Palm Pre last year for the original Epic 4g. The Epic 4g blew the Pre away speed, screen and build quality wise, but of course WebOS UI is better, but you get used to things.

    Don't fret the keyboard. The landscape Epic 4g keyboard sucks. It's too wide and the keys are flat so its way too easy to hit the wrong key. The domed Pre keys (like Blackberry) were much better (and Treo was much better than Pre). I ended up using on-screen keyboard more than rotating the phone, and then sliding out the keyboard. Just too cumbersome.

    I do recommend Swiftkey X over the stock keyboards. Now with the increase in speed of the Epic Touch its extremely responsive and is scary on how good the predictions are. In addition, the built in Android voice to text is amazing. I would say its pretty close to as good as Dragon on a PC and when driving, kicks butt for texting.
    lbates likes this.
    09-20-2011 04:26 PM
  13. Mikest's Avatar
    Got pissed at my Epic 4G touch this morning when my up swipe didn't bring up the apps list, and the back gesture didn't take me back. Momentary lapse in my memory.

    I'm hoping Ice Cream sandwich "borrows" more ideas from webOs
    09-20-2011 04:31 PM
  14. maskedferret's Avatar
    Mirror replacement : camera -> front-facing.
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    09-20-2011 04:38 PM
  15. nuchin's Avatar
    I'm a day-1 Pre(-) user to a day-1 Galaxy S2 user.

    I jumped cold into Android for the first time. I wish there was some type of on-phone tutorial. The only type of tutorial I found was the Swype one. Having speedy hardware is quite the relief instead of fearing each day that my Pre- would die. I'll list some of my cons+pros I've found over the past couple days. I will miss WebOS dearly, but it feels good to know that so many others will have this phone and its support/tweaks/cases will be plenty.

    -I found myself swiping individual emails to delete and I've noticed the inconsistencies between apps when deleting items. Sometimes you need to tap+hold vs hit the menu button.

    -I've found myself trying to consciously hit the search icon to simulate 'Just Type' as much as possible. Often I forget it's there though.

    -I am not a fan of hitting the back button in an app, which brings you to a totally different app because that's where you came from initially.

    -The on-screen keyboard takes up a large amount of real estate, especially with the predictive popups. While typing a text message reply, I can only see 3 lines worth of the previous message. In WebOS we could see actual history while typing gracefully on our HW keyboard. Landscape mode, forget about seeing anything.

    -Settings. I'm having a little bit of difficulty finding and then remembering where individual settings are for features. IE. Haptic feedback. I'm sure they'll come to be naturally over time though.

    -Facebook notifications. I've yet to get any menu notifications from facebook. I'm not sure if I've really set this up correctly though. The option is enabled yet maybe I'm too fast to notice an update before it gets pushed to my phone.

    -I'm amazed how fast the boot process is. This is a huge plus since my overclocked Pre on 2.0 would often not wake up and I would have to reboot.

    -I'm also very happy that I can now hang up a phone call in 1 tap! No more 'tap-tap...tap tap tap. Doh recalling. tap-tap-tap to hang up'.

    -App management. I'm so used to throwing unused apps away on my Pre to not get TooManyCards, that I feel I'm micromanaging my android apps. I have to get used to not having to exit all my apps

    -camera. Auto focusing camera is going to be great to use! Although I've yet to take any pics. I shy'd away from using my Pre camera because it took too long to load and snap+save that the 'moment' was already over.
    youngjediboy and lbates like this.
    09-20-2011 04:43 PM
  16. vijayd's Avatar
    I am switching from Pre- from Sprint. I pre-ordered the Epic Touch 4g, waiting for it to arrive..
    09-20-2011 05:19 PM
  17. Suntan's Avatar
    Switched from pre+ over a month ago to a droid 3 (had to keep a real keyboard) the water is fine over here.

    When switching, you just need to acknowledge that *android doesn't run just like webos*. Sounds pretty obvious, but 99% of the complaints from former pre users really just boil down to this.

    09-20-2011 05:32 PM
  18. youngjediboy's Avatar
    -I'm also very happy that I can now hang up a phone call in 1 tap! No more 'tap-tap...tap tap tap. Doh recalling. tap-tap-tap to hang up'.
    Haha I feel ya. I don't miss that part at all!
    09-20-2011 05:44 PM
  19. mtech#WN's Avatar
    I would have this phone in my hands if Verizon would offer it! Waiting for the HTC Vigor instead I guess.
    09-20-2011 05:52 PM
  20. Maustininc's Avatar
    pre minus here as well. Have had that since June 2009. Actually won a contest and got the EVO 3D. Almost a month later still trying to figure out the ins and outs of android and still swiping up at the screen. Probably has to do with my Touchpad but still. Am loving the phone, especially the screen and Netflix. That's about the only app that I am truly missing for my Touchpad.
    09-20-2011 05:55 PM
  21. bbycrts's Avatar
    I gave up on WebOS about three days before they axed the program. My eBay auction for my Pre2 actually ended after they lowered the boom - fortunately it went to someone on Sprint who was looking to build a FrankenPre, so he wasn't worried it...

    I love WebOS - it is the most logical system ever devised for a smart phone in my opinion. It's too bad HP muddled around and screwed it all up. I actually had high hopes for the future of WebOS when HP took over Palm. Silly me.

    I have an Incredible 2 and love it to death...but I still miss the future of WebOS.
    09-20-2011 05:57 PM
  22. Adonis101's Avatar
    2nd day with Epic 4G Touch (and I thought the "Pre" was a terrible name) and I have to say I'm diggin' it! Very fast and slick hardware but I do miss the smooth silkiness of WebOS!! It truly is the Betamax (WebOS) vs VHS (Android) of our generation. Once again, the best technology lost out due to terrible hardware and complete lack of business sense. I'll get used to Android, but I still feel that this OS is still playing catch up in some ways. It's nice to be current again and have developers actually wanting to create apps for this platform. Homebrew I'll miss you... HP you'll get what you deserve!!
    09-20-2011 09:19 PM
  23. bluemagicx's Avatar
    Yes I just got The Epic Touch 4g and love it. We all had Pre's in my house. My son got a Nexus S and So I saw the Galaxy and said I gotta have it. My wife and daughter still have their Pre's overclocked and running fine. Even though it is a large display, its so thin it fits easy in my pants pocket . But I need a belt clip case. I miss webos simplicity but my pre lacked basic features that should have been in there from the start. I love this new phone.
    09-20-2011 09:42 PM
  24. Delawareduff's Avatar
    I love my pre plus, my first smartphone, but will getting a new phone in Dec when time for renewal. I am waiting to see what else Verizon puts out before I do, I was soooooooooo hoping we could get the GSII ..
    09-20-2011 10:12 PM
  25. DuStU's Avatar
    Guys I am having a weird experience. Iphone users are telling me they wish that their phone was this cool. HAHAHAHA oh how the tables have turned. Wish it was Palm making something this slick. I find myself playing with the phone for no reason just cuz. I am not in the delete what I havent used phase and asking people what good apps there are to get. All the sprint apps deleted off my phone no problem.
    09-21-2011 02:25 AM
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