View Poll Results: Are he data issues with Sprint enough to make you jump ship?

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  • Yes, I tried the Eptouch and the data was terrible so I'm outta here

    10 19.23%
  • No, the data isnt that bad and I'm going to stick it out

    30 57.69%
  • I'm still not sure

    12 23.08%
10-11-2011 09:10 AM
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  1. chuckz28's Avatar
    Wimax is so hit or miss for me. If I get the signal at home it will get 2 or 3 mbps down but at work I have gotten up to 12.44 down and average about 8. I am going to try to leave 4g on and see how much of a difference it makes on the battery. It sleeps rather well and already having stellar battery life should mean it won't be a problem because 3g just isn't cutting it. Especially for video chat. Which is pretty neat by the way.
    09-20-2011 08:18 AM
  2. maverick96's Avatar
    Reading this gives me hope things will get much better for Sprint's network soon;

    UPDATE: Sprint Upgrading Existing 3G Coverage Area To EvDO Rev B October 7th? GizmoFusion

    With the iPhone5 due soon, they need better coverage to handle all the new users. The Epic Touch 4G is covered by this, so we all good. Hopefully this is true and they just need to "flip a switch" to to activate it ?

    This would be GREAT!! Whats not good for Sprint is that some reviews like the ones from Mobileburn and Phonedog clearly state how terrible Sprint's data speeds are.These kinds of things can tarnish a company, that right now honestly can't afford any bad press. They needed to activate that Rev B switch, like yesterday!!
    09-20-2011 09:15 AM
  3. MemphisGeek's Avatar
    Of course the iPhone is faster on AT&T - it has HSDPA. I'm not sure why you were expecting over 1 meg service with 3G on CDMA. That's not realistic. Here are some pre-HSDPA tests on VZW, Sprint, and AT&T.

    Not true really. I also have an iPhone 4 on Verizon (which is 3G CDMA) and I consistatnly get 1.8Mbps down speeds.
    09-20-2011 09:16 AM
  4. crzycrkr's Avatar
    First, I'll say, Sprint is definitely lagging with Wimax.

    Their data speeds have definitely slowed this year due to maintenance. The way I look at it is if this is what they need to do to build a better network, o have no problems with it. Its not unbearable for me. I've travels all over the country, and have only ever had issues in very small, isolated areas. Every carrier has those holes, although Sprints are probably a but more frequent. Hell, AT&T is unusable in NY. I was in Chicago and it suburbs out to Elgin last year and had good speeds with 4G everywhere.
    09-20-2011 09:43 AM
  5. Cory Streater's Avatar
    The network speed improvements code named Network Vision lines up with the video below, spoken directly from the horse's mouth. It's the last piece of info in this video that crashes the party. I will have gone through 9 phones during that time frame.

    09-20-2011 10:07 AM
  6. Zorachus's Avatar
    So is October 7th the day Sprint just announces this upgraded network ? Or will they actually flip the switch and get this Rev. B going on the 7th ?

    If the upgraded network is not until next year sometime, then I will probably leave.
    09-20-2011 10:43 AM
  7. JayWill's Avatar
    So is October 7th the day Sprint just announces this upgraded network ? Or will they actually flip the switch and get this Rev. B going on the 7th ?

    If the upgraded network is not until next year sometime, then I will probably leave.
    I'm no technician, but I really don't think you can flip a switch on something like EVDO Rev B. I'd imagine software and hardware updates have to be made at each tower.

    Oct. 7th is the POSSIBLE announcement of the move to EVDO Rev B, but I'd imagine we will be well into next year before we see it rolled out in enough markets to make a noticeable difference. Either way, we should know a lot more about their plans and maybe some time frames within a few weeks.
    09-20-2011 11:20 AM
  8. John P. Smith's Avatar
    Lighsquared is loaded with cash, just google it.
    Which is why I wrote "and/or." Lightsquared's problem is technical, their product interferes with GPS.
    09-20-2011 11:36 AM
  9. GoBigRed79's Avatar
    You definitely want to hang onto that as long as you possibly can. I like Sprint but I'm not wth them for their service.
    Yeah, LTE is a battery hog but the speeds are impressive. Since I have the unlimited data I also can add unlimted 4G hotspot. After using that, you will never want to use 3G for a hotspot again.

    09-20-2011 03:42 PM
  10. maverick96's Avatar
    The network speed improvements code named Network Vision lines up with the video below, spoken directly from the horse's mouth. It's the last piece of info in this video that crashes the party. I will have gone through 9 phones during that time frame.


    LOL. You're right about that. At least 9 devices. Sad thing is, by the time they get that situation worked out both Verizon and AT&T will be rocking ultra fast LTE throughout the country.
    09-20-2011 03:56 PM
  11. anon62607's Avatar
    Interesting, thanks for the info. I didn't realize that Sprint's recent CDMA radios also supported Rev B. I sure hope they do that, would definitely keep me on Sprint - but somehow I doubt it. I remember back years ago (like 2005'ish) when EVDO first came onto the scene and it was widely thought that all the CDMA carriers would quickly jump right up to Rev B. (rev B also supports simultaneous voice/data I think..) Obviously that never happened. In fact, are there any CDMA networks anywhere in the world that are operating EVDO Rev B? Maybe Korea??

    The problem with LTE is the same beef I have with Wimax, which is that it requires a separate radio. Battery life is always tenuous on modern smartphones, and the thought of having a 2nd cellular radio on all the time just bothers me. Especially a radio that is as power hungry as Wimax or LTE. That's why I like HSPA: decent data speeds, simultaneous voice/data, and all on the same radio. Someday when LTE is everywhere then it won't matter since we'll be doing voip on LTE, but that "someday" is a long way off methinks.
    There are CDMA networks in Pakistan that support Rev. B. The problem is the overall spectral efficiency doesn't go up all that much. Rev. B is kind of like Dual Carrier HSPA+ - taking two 5 MHz carriers (in the case of HSPA+) and using them as a single channel. The overall bandwidth for the sector is shown to go up somewhat and on an unloaded network a single user would notice higher (or much higher) speeds but the bandwidth is only going up somewhat.

    Imagine this situation: an EVDO-A provider has a block of spectrum from 2000 MHz to 2005 MHz (for the downlink). Each individual tower has carriers at 2000.0 MHz, 2001.25 MHz, 2002.50 MHz, and 2003.75 MHz. There happen to be four users on that tower, user 1 is assigned the 2000.0 MHz carrier (which is the spectrum from 2000.0 to 2001.25 MHz, and ignoring guard bands) user 2 the 2001.25 MHz carrier and so on. Those four users would each see (given a good radio environment) theoretical speeds of 3.1 Mbps (minus overhead).

    If there were only one user on the tower, he would still see a maximum of 3.1 Mbps - he can only use the one carrier.

    If there were 40 users on the tower, they'd each see (presuming they're all using it at the same time the same way and have equal radio environments) 310 kbps and if there are 400 users on the tower (this is statistically pretty close to reality) it'd be 31 kbps per user if they're all using it at the same time.

    Ok, so that's our situation: 400 users per tower, 5 MHz spectrum that's being used by 4x 1.25 MHz carriers when fully loaded would see 31 kbps per user.

    If that service provider decided to upgrade to EVDO-B the situation changes a little. Those carriers (2000, 2001.25, 2002.5, 2003.75 Mhz) get bonded and users that sign into the tower are assigned all to the single bonded channel (they're still separate carriers but the single user data streams are multiplexed across all of the carriers). So now rather than the one tower (or rather, one sector) having 4x 3.1mbps channels it's got 1x 12.4 mbps channel. For those same 400 users (again, if they're all active) there's no improvement - 12.4 mbps / 400 users = 0.031 mbps / user, just like EVDO-A above.

    That's not completely the case, each carrier on EVDO-B has a somewhat higher data rate of 4.9 Mbps in optimal conditions so it's really more like 19.6 Mbps/400 users = 0.049 mbps/user and the overhead per bit of the wider channel is lower so there is another improvement there.

    The gain on an unloaded tower would be great - a single user would see 19.6 Mbps maximum instead of 3.1 Mbps maximum, the problem is that the situation you're trying to resolve by going to EVDO-B is a overall sector capacity problem, not a single user capacity problem, and it's not all that much improvement.

    That's not saying there would be no improvement, but it wouldn't be the 3.1 to 19.6 factor that some people might be expecting.
    bplewis24 likes this.
    09-20-2011 04:52 PM
  12. JayWill's Avatar

    That's not saying there would be no improvement, but it wouldn't be the 3.1 to 19.6 factor that some people might be expecting.
    Soooooo .... what your saying is I need my own personal cell tower that only I can connect to and that follows me wherever I go. I'm gonna call Sprint right now.
    Cory Streater likes this.
    09-20-2011 05:00 PM
  13. anon62607's Avatar
    Soooooo .... what your saying is I need my own personal cell tower that only I can connect to and that follows me wherever I go. I'm gonna call Sprint right now.
    That is sort of what's being recommended down the road, a very large number of very small cells (LTE had this vision of using LTE for the small-cell to big-cell backhaul as well as using it for UE-to-small-cell communication). Presumably with highly directional signals.
    09-20-2011 05:12 PM
  14. Johnly's Avatar
    I picked up my kid from school. Normally with Verizon I have painful data. At school, I have painfully slow data in the trough. I used my Sprint service and guess what? Fast data. It was so nice to browse AC in real time. Thanks Sprint service for not sucking. I thought if VZW had bad data there then everyone else had none . I was brainwashed by the red devil lmfao!
    crzycrkr likes this.
    09-20-2011 05:23 PM
  15. jnl813's Avatar
    Sprint sucks for speed period, I am not leaving them just for that but I am also not going to sit here and say they are FAST. They are not but I am OK with their speed after all you get what you pay for. Maybe when they upgrade to LTE it'll make a difference but by then who knows where the competition will be. Just my 2 cents.

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
    09-20-2011 06:24 PM
  16. pushdrops's Avatar
    Obviously it doesn't perform that poorly everywhere.
    no it is "ok" and will get thru a bit of Netflix or YouTube videos where i'm traveling now in GA and VA but in my home area - where i bought the phone - everyone in that area I know has horribly slow service and I can't see how they can walk into the sprint store and sign and keep a smart phone on contract 2 yrs , i've known some people that have told me they don't like their Evo and want to get an iPhone as their Evo is so slow, because they live in my area and now i am trying a Spring GS2, i see that the network is slower than i could have ever imagined (in 2011 again for $129 per month!) in this area

    for all i know verizon is this slow in many areas as well , no idea , i only figured that at least all of the major providers just so you could get a signal would at least be above 500 kbps ....
    09-20-2011 06:36 PM
  17. crzycrkr's Avatar
    Sprint sucks for speed period, I am not leaving them just for that but I am also not going to sit here and say they are FAST. They are not but I am OK with their speed after all you get what you pay for. Maybe when they upgrade to LTE it'll make a difference but by then who knows where the competition will be. Just my 2 cents.

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
    To be fair, they have ended up in the back of the speed pack with the last 2 years. There were plenty of tests before that time that put them at the fastest in many markets. Things change.
    09-20-2011 06:37 PM
  18. Cory Streater's Avatar
    I picked up my kid from school. Normally with Verizon I have painful data. At school, I have painfully slow data in the trough. I used my Sprint service and guess what? Fast data. It was so nice to browse AC in real time. Thanks Sprint service for not sucking. I thought if VZW had bad data there then everyone else had none . I was brainwashed by the red devil lmfao!
    How many holsters do you have attached to your waist?
    09-20-2011 06:46 PM
  19. Riboflavin's Avatar
    Just ran two speed tests at my desk at work.

    Test 1: 124kbps Down, 225 up
    Test 2: 180 down, 99 up

    Turned my 4G on

    Test: 14,338 kbps down, 1,455 up

    lulz
    09-20-2011 07:13 PM
  20. maverick96's Avatar
    Just ran two speed tests at my desk at work.

    Test 1: 124kbps Down, 225 up
    Test 2: 180 down, 99 up

    Turned my 4G on

    Test: 14,338 kbps down, 1,455 up

    lulz
    That's a great 4G down speed!

    Sent from my Sprint Eptouch 4G
    09-20-2011 09:15 PM
  21. maverick96's Avatar
    Lets see more screenshots from around the country running on Sprint's 3G everybody

    Sent from my Sprint Eptouch 4G
    09-20-2011 09:19 PM
  22. bluemagicx's Avatar
    No problems here. Happy Sprint user. My house is in a bad signal area so they gave me the indoor cell tower thingy for free with no charges at all! So I use wifi and have full cell bars anywhere in my house.
    But I notice the WiFi signal is lower than my Palm Pre's. I wonder if that can be fixed via and update.
    09-20-2011 09:45 PM
  23. Cory Streater's Avatar
    Lets see more screenshots from around the country running on Sprint's 3G everybody

    Sent from my Sprint Eptouch 4G
    Tomorrow finally!
    09-21-2011 12:09 AM
  24. VDub2174's Avatar
    I don't have an Epic 4G Touch but I did take a screen cap of my speed test results from my MoPho. This was taken while in Trenton, NJ (closest server was Seyerville apparently) at work but I've had better results in Philadelphia where I live and can do a test when I get home.
    09-21-2011 08:07 AM
  25. Funkquito's Avatar
    My Speed
    09-21-2011 08:44 AM
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