08-28-2012 09:40 PM
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  1. Hawaiian_Geek's Avatar
    I can't think of any good business reason they would update them again. I imagine they want as much churn to their newer models as possible, and only give us one update to appease those customers who actually wait through a typical two-year contract before getting a new phone.
    I totally agree with you! Why would Samsung bother in upgrading the OS on phones when all they can and have done is release newer model phones!
    08-22-2012 12:55 AM
  2. s_special's Avatar
    rooted my phone today and currently running the jelly!! loving every minute of it.... life after touchwiz
    08-22-2012 02:02 AM
  3. Corrupt_Data's Avatar
    I think we will see another update but it will be a while. Luckily we have devs like sbrissen, chris41g, and phantomphreak53 to bring us some unofficial love lol.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    08-22-2012 02:04 AM
  4. tonydelante's Avatar
    rooted my phone today and currently running the jelly!! loving every minute of it.... life after touchwiz
    Which Rom are you running and are you having any problems? I'm stock rooted right now, but I'm debating going back to CM9 or AOKP (ICS). The nightly builds of Jellybro seem to have a lot of issues.
    08-22-2012 10:18 AM
  5. thenameisnigel's Avatar
    I think we will see another update but it will be a while. Luckily we have devs like sbrissen, chris41g, and phantomphreak53 to bring us some unofficial love lol.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    Don't forget DarkKnight_2 . He was first to be in a stable release while everyone else was still going alphas.
    08-22-2012 11:13 AM
  6. Corrupt_Data's Avatar
    Don't forget DarkKnight_2 . He was first to be in a stable release while everyone else was still going alphas.
    Ok well he admitted that around that time he was merely kanging sbrissens ROM which means it was a repacked alpha basically. He's starting to come around though and the other cm10 ROM is just as/more stable.

    Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2
    08-22-2012 11:53 AM
  7. michaeljc70's Avatar
    As messed up as the ICS update was you craving a JB update?

    It will not happen, I guarantee it. This phone is old hat. They won't bother.
    08-22-2012 06:04 PM
  8. garwynn's Avatar
    It's coming... The latest rumors on XDA are for a few more ICS builds and then to JB. As always may want to take with a grain of salt.

    Sent from my SPH-D710
    08-23-2012 02:22 AM
  9. michaeljc70's Avatar
    It's coming... The latest rumors on XDA are for a few more ICS builds and then to JB. As always may want to take with a grain of salt.

    Sent from my SPH-D710
    There no doubt will be a custom JB ROM for this phone, but there will not be an official Sprint version.
    08-23-2012 08:32 AM
  10. garwynn's Avatar
    There no doubt will be a custom JB ROM for this phone, but there will not be an official Sprint version.
    Source please? (I only ask because reliable sources are stating otherwise.)

    Sent from my SPH-D710
    08-23-2012 08:59 AM
  11. michaeljc70's Avatar
    Source please? (I only ask because reliable sources are stating otherwise.)

    Sent from my SPH-D710
    You want me to give a source because you've heard rumors to the contrary????

    There is no definitive source. Everyone is guessing.

    There won't be a JB update in my opinion because this phone is already a year old and they gave it the ICS update. They have limited resources and concentrate updates on newer phones. It took forever to get the ICS update, and it is a mess and they are issuing a fix to supposedly fix that.
    08-23-2012 09:48 AM
  12. garwynn's Avatar
    You want me to give a source because you've heard rumors to the contrary????

    There is no definitive source. Everyone is guessing.

    There won't be a JB update in my opinion because this phone is already a year old and they gave it the ICS update. They have limited resources and concentrate updates on newer phones. It took forever to get the ICS update, and it is a mess and they are issuing a fix to supposedly fix that.
    Thank you for clarifying that it was your opinion and not fact. That is why I asked for source.

    True, it is a guess and the "sources" that have given info in the past are not Samsung Telecom R&D. Unfortunately it's a game of telephone where you hear from one person and pass it on... it's subject to change and omissions. But with Sprint releasing the E4GT under the Boost label they're obviously expecting some level of support from Samsung - especially knowing that the ICS build was bad enough that they turned it off at one point.

    All in all I think we'll get it because the hardest part - going from GB to ICS - is now mostly done. There is certainly room for improvements - and we'll get those - but JB is a relatively minor update compared to the herculean task of the ICS build. The big question is will we get Butter or not.... those same sources are currently saying that Samsung is trying to take it out.
    08-23-2012 10:12 AM
  13. michaeljc70's Avatar
    As you can see the way the ICS update rolled out for various carriers and versions of the G2, it has little to do with Samsung. Every other version of the S2 could get JB, that does not mean Sprint will offer it. There is coding that Sprint has to do and test. If they choose not to do that, we will not get it regardless of Samsung having JB for the G2.

    If you look at the pattern of updates for phones, you can kind of figure this out. Updates costs carriers $$$$$. They don't get any revenue from them. If you get one major update, you are lucky.

    Thank you for clarifying that it was your opinion and not fact. That is why I asked for source.

    True, it is a guess and the "sources" that have given info in the past are not Samsung Telecom R&D. Unfortunately it's a game of telephone where you hear from one person and pass it on... it's subject to change and omissions. But with Sprint releasing the E4GT under the Boost label they're obviously expecting some level of support from Samsung - especially knowing that the ICS build was bad enough that they turned it off at one point.

    All in all I think we'll get it because the hardest part - going from GB to ICS - is now mostly done. There is certainly room for improvements - and we'll get those - but JB is a relatively minor update compared to the herculean task of the ICS build. The big question is will we get Butter or not.... those same sources are currently saying that Samsung is trying to take it out.
    08-23-2012 10:18 AM
  14. garwynn's Avatar
    As you can see the way the ICS update rolled out for various carriers and versions of the G2, it has little to do with Samsung. Every other version of the S2 could get JB, that does not mean Sprint will offer it. There is coding that Sprint has to do and test. If they choose not to do that, we will not get it regardless of Samsung having JB for the G2.

    If you look at the pattern of updates for phones, you can kind of figure this out. Updates costs carriers $$$$$. They don't get any revenue from them. If you get one major update, you are lucky.
    Sprint doesn't develop except its own apps. Everything else goes back to Samsung in TX for changes. They do have their own internal testing though. Haven't heard who pays for the dev work - I would think Sprint but it may come in a prenegotiated contract as well...

    As it was explained to me (and I also thought the same as you) updates cost minimal to them because they don't do most of the testing. When a build becomes solid enough it then goes through end user testing by Sprint prior to OTA sign off. Even that is limited in scope. And they get FAR more in revenue by improving the ICS builds since they're pushing it for Boost right now... so much that Boost got the updated modem in their ROM first. Thankfully some of the folks that are in the loop are the ones sharing leaks with us.. but have to remain anonymous to do so.
    08-23-2012 02:15 PM
  15. michaeljc70's Avatar
    If it is so cheap and easy, why did it take Sprint 6 months to release ICS???

    Not sure what you are talking about with Boost. They don't carry this phone.

    Sprint doesn't develop except its own apps. Everything else goes back to Samsung in TX for changes. They do have their own internal testing though. Haven't heard who pays for the dev work - I would think Sprint but it may come in a prenegotiated contract as well...

    As it was explained to me (and I also thought the same as you) updates cost minimal to them because they don't do most of the testing. When a build becomes solid enough it then goes through end user testing by Sprint prior to OTA sign off. Even that is limited in scope. And they get FAR more in revenue by improving the ICS builds since they're pushing it for Boost right now... so much that Boost got the updated modem in their ROM first. Thankfully some of the folks that are in the loop are the ones sharing leaks with us.. but have to remain anonymous to do so.
    08-23-2012 02:26 PM
  16. Mattix724's Avatar
    If it is so cheap and easy, why did it take Sprint 6 months to release ICS???

    Not sure what you are talking about with Boost. They don't carry this phone.
    Why did it take 6 months to release ICS? Why, Because of testing... And there was a major issue in the kernel that was causing hard bricks left and right.

    And here is some info pertaining to the Epic 4G Touch coming to Boost Mobile.

    Samsung Epic 4G Touch likely coming to Boost Mobile

    [ODIN][TAR] SPH-D710-BST FG31 (FG31 ROM/Kernel/Modem - Full Restore - Unrooted) - xda-developers

    I'll just leave that here so you can look over it and read up on it yourself.
    08-23-2012 03:06 PM
  17. michaeljc70's Avatar
    I guess it wasn't that easy then if there was hard bricking left and right and it took 6 months to sort it out.

    The article is a month old and the headline is "Samsung Epic 4G Touch likely coming to Boost Mobile"

    Boost is a prepaid carrier. Not sure why having JB would be important. Until recently, most of them had mediocre phones. In general, they cater to a certain clientele that is willing to not have the latest and greatest product.

    Most people couldn't name one difference between JB and ICS. The people on this board probably can, but that is not the general public.

    Personally, I am concentrating on getting a decent working version of ICS on my phone.


    Why did it take 6 months to release ICS? Why, Because of testing... And there was a major issue in the kernel that was causing hard bricks left and right.

    And here is some info pertaining to the Epic 4G Touch coming to Boost Mobile.

    Samsung Epic 4G Touch likely coming to Boost Mobile

    [ODIN][TAR] SPH-D710-BST FG31 (FG31 ROM/Kernel/Modem - Full Restore - Unrooted) - xda-developers

    I'll just leave that here so you can look over it and read up on it yourself.
    08-23-2012 03:13 PM
  18. Mattix724's Avatar
    The FH13 release of ICS is supposed to fix a lot of the bugs that were still present in the FF18 release. I personally cant tell you if it did or not since my E4GT is still being repaired by Samsung at the moment.

    And we will get official JB on our device. If Samsung is already working on it for the international variants, we will get it for our device. I can't really say when that will happen but it will happen.
    08-23-2012 03:35 PM
  19. michaeljc70's Avatar
    Good look with that. IMO very wishful thinking!

    In case you haven't heard the Galaxy III is out and nobody cares about this phone (except the people that own it).

    Keep in mind the Galaxy S is not getting ICS. That phone is not very old.

    The FH13 release of ICS is supposed to fix a lot of the bugs that were still present in the FF18 release. I personally cant tell you if it did or not since my E4GT is still being repaired by Samsung at the moment.

    And we will get official JB on our device. If Samsung is already working on it for the international variants, we will get it for our device. I can't really say when that will happen but it will happen.
    08-23-2012 03:38 PM
  20. Mattix724's Avatar
    The Galaxy S is also only a single core 1Ghz hummingbird with 512Mb of RAM. And it was released back in 2010. It is well past the 18 month mark for updates.

    It does have unofficial builds of both CM9 and CM10. But you are correct, it will not receive and official ICS build from Samsung.
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    08-23-2012 04:02 PM
  21. garwynn's Avatar
    I guess it wasn't that easy then if there was hard bricking left and right and it took 6 months to sort it out.

    The article is a month old and the headline is "Samsung Epic 4G Touch likely coming to Boost Mobile"

    Boost is a prepaid carrier. Not sure why having JB would be important. Until recently, most of them had mediocre phones. In general, they cater to a certain clientele that is willing to not have the latest and greatest product.

    Most people couldn't name one difference between JB and ICS. The people on this board probably can, but that is not the general public.

    Personally, I am concentrating on getting a decent working version of ICS on my phone.
    First off, here's the official announcement from Sprint:
    Sprint Newsroom | High-End Speed and Performance Without a Contract: Boost Mobile Strengthens 4G Lineup With the Award-Winning Samsung Galaxy S II 4G

    I understand that ICS was bitter for many folks - most of them because they bought the phone and were talked up by a sales guy that it was coming soon after it rolled out. Blame the salesman for that - Sprint (corporate) was very clear that it would only come out when it met QC. Since they didn't start internal testing on it until June I'd say we got it in a good amount of time - and they dramatically cut that time on the FH13 build. They could because they tested it out using FH31, which is the same built but the Boost version.

    The main goal at the moment seems to be what you mentioned - getting a rock solid ICS build. Then they'll port over JB and work on that. About that time we'll probably hit 18 months - a timeframe rumored to be the end of a support contract - and we'll hit EOL.

    Can't explain about the GS since I didn't own one. Best educated guess is they learned their lesson and made it part of the support contract on new phones from that point on... or it was added by Sammy to compete further against Apple (since it was a bone of contention with the Galaxy S versus the older iPhones.)
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    08-23-2012 04:08 PM
  22. Mattix724's Avatar
    So from what it sounds like... ICS will be made as stable as Gingerbread was with EL29, then we will get a JB build just before the end of the 18 month update mark. Then that will be the last major update the E4GT receives making it the EOL for our phone.
    08-23-2012 04:16 PM
  23. tmeader's Avatar
    The FH13 release of ICS is supposed to fix a lot of the bugs that were still present in the FF18 release. I personally cant tell you if it did or not since my E4GT is still being repaired by Samsung at the moment.

    And we will get official JB on our device. If Samsung is already working on it for the international variants, we will get it for our device. I can't really say when that will happen but it will happen.
    Actually, according to the changelog posted over on XDA, FF13 focused only on 3 changes, all explicitly for battery life. Not really a "lot" of bugs. Hopefully there was be some more coming prior to any JB update to clear up the remaining issues (roaming indicator, Vlingo cutoff, etc).
    08-23-2012 05:15 PM
  24. michaeljc70's Avatar
    They are calling that Boost phone the Samsung Galaxy SII, not Epic4gT. Obviously, they are going to be almost identical, but the updates may not be directly interchangeable.

    I think that if you are dying to get JB, there will definitely be a custom ROM. Sprint may provide JB, but I am just saying I wouldn't get my hopes up.

    I have had the phone a year already and don't know if I will complete my contract with Sprint. I really think post-paid plans are not that great if you want a new phone more often than 2 years. They actually make it cheaper to switch carriers (paying the ETF) than to get a new phone with them.




    First off, here's the official announcement from Sprint:
    Sprint Newsroom | High-End Speed and Performance Without a Contract: Boost Mobile Strengthens 4G Lineup With the Award-Winning Samsung Galaxy S II 4G

    I understand that ICS was bitter for many folks - most of them because they bought the phone and were talked up by a sales guy that it was coming soon after it rolled out. Blame the salesman for that - Sprint (corporate) was very clear that it would only come out when it met QC. Since they didn't start internal testing on it until June I'd say we got it in a good amount of time - and they dramatically cut that time on the FH13 build. They could because they tested it out using FH31, which is the same built but the Boost version.

    The main goal at the moment seems to be what you mentioned - getting a rock solid ICS build. Then they'll port over JB and work on that. About that time we'll probably hit 18 months - a timeframe rumored to be the end of a support contract - and we'll hit EOL.

    Can't explain about the GS since I didn't own one. Best educated guess is they learned their lesson and made it part of the support contract on new phones from that point on... or it was added by Sammy to compete further against Apple (since it was a bone of contention with the Galaxy S versus the older iPhones.)
    08-23-2012 06:21 PM
  25. Mattix724's Avatar
    Actually, according to the changelog posted over on XDA, FF13 focused only on 3 changes, all explicitly for battery life. Not really a "lot" of bugs. Hopefully there was be some more coming prior to any JB update to clear up the remaining issues (roaming indicator, Vlingo cutoff, etc).
    These issues you speak of... like Vlingo, that is an app issue not an OS issue. And the roaming indicator.. please specify the issue you are referring to. Because I have not once seen any issue pertaining the roaming indicator on any of the ICS ROMS that I have tested since january.
    08-23-2012 07:50 PM
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