11-02-2011 12:33 AM
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  1. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I came from an EVO 4G to the Nexus S 4G. I wanted to type out whats been going through my head about this phone.

    Phone status:
    Rooted, running GPA17, underclocked to 800mhz (save battery).

    Amazing, MUST HAVE apps:
    * Voodoo Display Calibration.
    * WidgetLocker Lockscreen.
    * Dialer One T9 contact list search.
    * QuickPic Instant load photo gallery.
    * BLN menu keys as notification LED.
    * Pure Calender Agenda widget.

    My primary uses for the Nexus S (in order of usage):
    Voice calls (70%)
    Emails
    Calendar
    Web Browsing
    Music (local, not Internet, FLAC)
    YouTube
    Navigation
    Games
    Camera

    Thoughts thus far:
    Pro:
    * Sleek phone, lightweight & very pocketable.
    * Amazing headphone audio quality, near/matches COWON quality. (Wolfson DAC)
    * Very fast (even underclocked).
    * Great display contrast (deep black, punchy colors).
    * Excellent camera quality.
    * Good haptic feedback.
    * Stable.

    Cons:
    * Weak Radios (Drops Wifi, drops calls, EVO NEVER did this).
    * Poor radio management (slow to pickup wifi, 4g, occasionally gets stuck on 1x).
    * Echo on speakerphone (other person on call hears if I use speakerphone).
    * No LED indicator (BLN works, but menu keys are still very dim).
    * Battery does not last an entire day if heavily using phone (Dies by 5pm without 4G or GPS).
    * GPS slow to lock.
    * Built in speaker too quiet.
    * Grainy Display (can easily see pixel spacing).
    * Slow Charging (2% per 3 minutes)


    Summary:
    I find dropped calls to be completely unacceptable, it is rude and shows massive incompetence to whomever you are dropping calls on. I will never be satisfied with any display type other than IPS-LCD (unfortunately only available on the iPhone). It should NOT take over 2 hours to charge a phone. I am very pleased with the headphone audio quality (HTC is very very poor in this area). I am also delighted that even with a 20% underclock (to conserve battery), the speed is massively faster than my previous EVO.

    Conclusion
    Based on everything I've read about the Galaxy S phones, the Nexus S phones and Samsung in general. I will NOT own another Samsung device unless the 'Cons' I have listed are addressed and fixed. All of my negatives regarding this phone are directly related to Samsung hardware. With phones like the S2 and Nexus Prime...this concerns me greatly.

    I'd purchase the Photon, which has none of the cons of this phone, except the screen. PenTile suffers very similar problems as AMOLED.

    What am I going to do?
    Wait. I will make a phone change once I learn about signal strength, display and build quality of the Nexus Prime, iPhone 5 and whatever else Sprint releases. If nothing new bests the signal strength of the Photon, I may simply deal with the poor display and very lame interface and purchase the Photon.

    What do I want?
    iPhone screen quality, 4.3" screen, 720 Resolution, Motorola quality reception & speaker loudness, fast GPS lock, quick charging, and long battery life...with the Nexus S audio quality.
    LeaninBack916 likes this.
    09-10-2011 04:02 PM
  2. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    I came from an EVO 4G to the Nexus S 4G. I wanted to type out whats been going through my head about this phone.

    Phone status:
    Rooted, running GPA17, underclocked to 800mhz (save battery).

    Amazing, MUST HAVE apps:
    * Voodoo Display Calibration.
    * WidgetLocker Lockscreen.
    * Dialer One T9 contact list search.
    * QuickPic Instant load photo gallery.
    * BLN menu keys as notification LED.
    * Pure Calender Agenda widget.

    My primary uses for the Nexus S (in order of usage):
    Voice calls (70%)
    Emails
    Calendar
    Web Browsing
    Music (local, not Internet, FLAC)
    YouTube
    Navigation
    Games
    Camera

    Thoughts thus far:
    Pro:
    * Sleek phone, lightweight & very pocketable.
    * Amazing headphone audio quality, near/matches COWON quality. (Wolfson DAC)
    * Very fast (even underclocked).
    * Great display contrast (deep black, punchy colors).
    * Excellent camera quality.
    * Good haptic feedback.
    * Stable.

    Cons:
    * Weak Radios (Drops Wifi, drops calls, EVO NEVER did this).
    * Poor radio management (slow to pickup wifi, 4g, occasionally gets stuck on 1x).
    * Echo on speakerphone (other person on call hears if I use speakerphone).
    * No LED indicator (BLN works, but menu keys are still very dim).
    * Battery does not last an entire day if heavily using phone (Dies by 5pm without 4G or GPS).
    * GPS slow to lock.
    * Built in speaker too quiet.
    * Grainy Display (can easily see pixel spacing).
    * Slow Charging (2% per 3 minutes)


    Summary:
    I find dropped calls to be completely unacceptable, it is rude and shows massive incompetence to whomever you are dropping calls on. I will never be satisfied with any display type other than IPS-LCD (unfortunately only available on the iPhone). It should NOT take over 2 hours to charge a phone. I am very pleased with the headphone audio quality (HTC is very very poor in this area). I am also delighted that even with a 20% underclock (to conserve battery), the speed is massively faster than my previous EVO.

    Conclusion
    Based on everything I've read about the Galaxy S phones, the Nexus S phones and Samsung in general. I will NOT own another Samsung device unless the 'Cons' I have listed are addressed and fixed. All of my negatives regarding this phone are directly related to Samsung hardware. With phones like the S2 and Nexus Prime...this concerns me greatly.

    I'd purchase the Photon, which has none of the cons of this phone, except the screen. PenTile suffers very similar problems as AMOLED.

    What am I going to do?
    Wait. I will make a phone change once I learn about signal strength, display and build quality of the Nexus Prime, iPhone 5 and whatever else Sprint releases. If nothing new bests the signal strength of the Photon, I may simply deal with the poor display and very lame interface and purchase the Photon.

    What do I want?
    iPhone screen quality, 4.3" screen, 720 Resolution, Motorola quality reception & speaker loudness, fast GPS lock, quick charging, and long battery life...with the Nexus S audio quality.
    I've had 4 different Nexus S phones and it is anything but slow to lock on GPS. It is by far the fastest locking phone for GPS I have ever had. Doesn't matter if you are indoors or outdoors it picks up within 2 seconds everytime. Never have experienced any echo problems either myself and there is a NOLED app that works better than BLN. If this phone has a grainy display then what do you call the Evo's? This thing reproduces gorgeous colors and I cannot see any pixels unless I have my eyes within 4-5 inches. I have seen the Evo 3D,Evo,Photon, and this phones screen and this phone beats them all every time even with the QHD displays on Photon and Evo 3D. Photon has a horrible looking pentile display and the Evo 3D along with the Evo just cannot produce rich colors like the Super Amoled display. One last note also I get 15+ hours battery life with heavy usage with games,texting,calls,browsing, and using numerous apps everyday.
    09-10-2011 06:44 PM
  3. dwaynewilliams#WN's Avatar
    Take the good with the bad. They all have them.
    09-10-2011 08:51 PM
  4. cohoman's Avatar
    I've had 4 different Nexus S phones and it is anything but slow to lock on GPS. It is by far the fastest locking phone for GPS I have ever had. Doesn't matter if you are indoors or outdoors it picks up within 2 seconds everytime. One last note also I get 15+ hours battery life with heavy usage with games,texting,calls,browsing, and using numerous apps everyday.
    I actually have GPS locking issues, where it could take more than minute to get a GPS signal. Also, the GPS location update is slow, which make it tough when using it with a navigation app. So far as battery life, I can get about 13 hours with light to moderate usage (no phone calls or WiFi, but just email and web browsing). If there's such a difference as being reported, maybe I need to switch out my Nexus S with a newer one?
    09-11-2011 10:19 AM
  5. joebarkho's Avatar
    Pentile is CRAP, there is nothing wrong with nexus' amoled screen, its amazing if anything and has no problems. i say the only thing better is qHD and thats only on a few devices. The nexus S is the only 1ghz phone that can compete with a dual core for all I know. There is a way to make gps lock faster google it, its like a setting adjustment and thats it. Root your nexus and reap the rewards.
    09-11-2011 10:20 AM
  6. Thrasherx2k1's Avatar
    I actually have GPS locking issues, where it could take more than minute to get a GPS signal. Also, the GPS location update is slow, which make it tough when using it with a navigation app. So far as battery life, I can get about 13 hours with light to moderate usage (no phone calls or WiFi, but just email and web browsing). If there's such a difference as being reported, maybe I need to switch out my Nexus S with a newer one?
    Yeah I would say swap it. If you have the $8 TEP on your plan just call the national line up and say blah blah it doesn't get a lock blah blah blah then they will probably ask you to do a hard reset on the phone. Then after that if it's still doing it tell them and they will get you to the advanced exchange department and a like new refurb will be on its way. Like I said I've had 4 and they all locked FAST. Only reason I've gone through so many was because I was trying to get a newer 11.05 model with improved reception. I got one finally and its better but still not great...
    09-11-2011 12:57 PM
  7. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I find it interesting that I would get blasted for this pretty much unbiased assessment of the phone.

    I dislike PenTile, I never stated I thought it was good, that is my main complaint on the Photon. How some of you can claim to see the imperfections of PenTile yet think the AMOLED display is perfect is completely beyond me. They both have major design flaws; neither come close the the clarity of IPS-LCD.

    Some of you even cycle through replacement Nexus'...yet they have 'no problems'...really?

    All of the issues I've had with my Nexus are well documented problems on this forum and others, in no way are the issues I am experience unique to me.

    You do realize, your defending a phone...right?
    09-11-2011 06:54 PM
  8. beserker15's Avatar
    Haha some people can get pretty spirited about phones. I recently did the switch myself, EVO 4G -> Nexus S about three weeks ago. I am wondering if you have tried a different kernel with your Nexus? Or possibly swap to another rom? I'm generally saying this because my experience in the swap has been pretty much all positive (though I do miss the bigger screen and the kickstand sometimes). In terms of phone quality (calling, 3G, signal, etc) it seems on par with my old EVO. My EVO had the fastest GPS lock times I have seen on a phone (almost instant), but my nexus is only about 3-4 seconds slower, hardly an issue for me.

    I'm personally using the MIUI rom and love it.
    09-11-2011 07:49 PM
  9. Paul627g's Avatar
    My only real comment is the display... The Samsung AMOLED display is the best hands down in the business... The entire Galaxy S line, Nexus, they are tops and what all the other devices wish they had...

    Your assessment of graininess could of been the images or for other unforeseen reasons because reading and seeing everything I do as an Adviser here at AC the number one complaint on all other devices is they all wish they had the quality of the AMOLED display.

    The other complaints, well look at the age of the hardware too so sure there are a few things that could be a bit better but we are dealing with hardware that is now well over a year old and in need of an update ala "Nexus Prime" if we get it... But the hardware to software optimization/gel factor on the Nexus is very well when compared to other devices with carrier/device maker UI's like TW or Sense that mess things up.
    09-11-2011 09:18 PM
  10. dwaynewilliams#WN's Avatar
    The colors in the Super Amoled display are great but you can see a lot of pixelation. When I first got my Nexus S I tried using my EVO 4G and the screen looked horrible to me.
    09-11-2011 10:37 PM
  11. DakotaDAllen's Avatar
    That Super AMOLED screen was what kept me from getting the EVO. After using the Nexus S for a while, and messing around with a friends EVO looking at different colors compared to on the Nexus (especially black), I knew I was happy with my Nexus.
    09-12-2011 01:08 AM
  12. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    Well I just about threw my out the window this morning. I wanted the phone to navigate me to the airport. Hit the voice search button and said "msp airport", it found it in maps right away. I chose the "directions to" option and it said cannot find address (complete address written out).

    So pissed. I eventually long pressed on the map near the airport and navigated to there.

    So glad to know Google couldn't figure out directions to the Minneapolis Saint Paul INTERNATIONAL airport.

    It sure doesn't help that with any amount of light at all I cannot see the buttons on the phone.

    I'm getting tired of the quirks.
    09-13-2011 12:22 PM
  13. djw39's Avatar
    Weird, that search worked for me no problem (all the way from North Carolina). Are you sure you have the car icon selected for "driving" as opposed to public transit or bicycle or something?

    Google Maps generally does a pretty good job, and of course that wouldn't be any different on an iPhone. I guess you could use Bing if you really are fed up but...really?

    Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk
    09-13-2011 09:23 PM
  14. MarkHirt's Avatar
    I'm getting tired of the quirks.
    Enjoy your Apple product
    09-13-2011 10:57 PM
  15. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    Weird, that search worked for me no problem (all the way from North Carolina). Are you sure you have the car icon selected for "driving" as opposed to public transit or bicycle or something?
    I'm sure its some really dumb mapping glitch, but it seriously annoyed me today.


    Enjoy your Apple product
    I've had Android phones for 3 years, and Blackberry before that. My iPod touch has worked flawlessly. I will absolutely be looking at the iP5, but I am still uncertain what I will choose. I don't use 4g very often, and when I do, it kills battery, not a good thing on a phone that takes 3 hours to charge.
    09-13-2011 11:57 PM
  16. s14tat's Avatar
    I honestly thought Dreamliner's review was extremely well structured, and I can see how its possible for him to have those problems. I mean this guy doesn't seem like your typical fan boy that just parrots other people. He has real world experience with the phone, and seems to be more knowledgeable than your typical user.
    09-15-2011 07:59 AM
  17. steveh552's Avatar
    I went from the evo to the evo3d which did nothing for me and had i not sold the evo i would've went back to it. I ended up with a nexus 4g and liked it at first but grew to hate it more due to the unreliable battery life and signal issues and what killed me most was it locking up with the screen on and not being able to do anything but a battery pull. I got so fed up with it i added a line to get the photon which iv had no issues with.

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    Sent from my Motorola Photon using Tapatalk
    09-15-2011 08:23 AM
  18. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    ^Agreed, the Evo never suffered as a 'phone's, this does and its frustrating.
    I honestly thought Dreamliner's review was extremely well structured, and I can see how its possible for him to have those problems. I mean this guy doesn't seem like your typical fan boy that just parrots other people. He has real world experience with the phone, and seems to be more knowledgeable than your typical user.
    Thank you. I honestly try and be as 'real' as possible, my opening post is absolutely based on experience. Its great to know people recognized it.
    09-15-2011 03:16 PM
  19. AndroidOne's Avatar
    I have a Nexus S and an Evo 4G both active on different numbers and I can concur with some of the issues expressed by the OP. First, I do like the Nexus' display, form factor and size better than the Evo. The Nexus is certainly snappier as well.

    However, I agree with issues such as low speaker/ringtone volume, long battery recharge times and low visibility of the hardware buttons as compared to the Evo. Regarding the GPS, my Evo's is faster to lock by only a few seconds, but the Nexus' is just as accurate and functional for navigation - no major issue there. My wifi reception is generally good, and my battery life is at par with the Evo's.

    My major problem with the Nexus is the cell/data radio: my Nexus exhibits constant cell signal fluctuation and has dropped calls several times - never experience this with the Evo. Regarding 3G data connectivity I have similar signal variability issues sometimes loosing connection for no reason; while the Evo is working well on the same network at the same time, the Nexus data speed drops to 1x levels or looses connectivity completely.

    When my Nexus works, it works very well, but the problem is lack of cell/data signal consistency which has drove me to "re-adopt" the Evo as my primary cell despite the wash-out look of the LCD display. I understand this is not a problem all Nexus' out there seem to have, but is the main problem I have with mine at the moment.
    09-15-2011 03:53 PM
  20. dwaynewilliams#WN's Avatar
    ^^i agree that the EVO is better as a phone. The weak radios and the speaker are the only weaknesses.
    09-17-2011 11:49 AM
  21. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I've moved on to the Photon 4G for the time being....dropping phone calls and not being able to use speaker phone because other person hears echo was simply unacceptable.
    09-18-2011 04:35 PM
  22. AndroidOne's Avatar
    If the Nexus Prime as rumored comes from Samsung and makes it to Sprint, I'd probably pass on it or at least won't be an early adopter.

    Seems from my experience with Samsung Android devices that they either have weaker radios or can't get the radio drivers right.

    Sent from my HTC Evo 4G using Tapatalk
    09-20-2011 09:23 AM
  23. bear_lx's Avatar
    I've moved on to the Photon 4G for the time being....dropping phone calls and not being able to use speaker phone because other person hears echo was simply unacceptable.
    i had an ipod touch for about 2 years as well... it did have issues, just like any electronic device. i had 2 warranty replacments and my experience wasnt good. first time they tried telling me that it had water damage and it would cost me to replace it. keep in mind this was 3 months old at the time. that was unacceptable! so i called back and spoke with another rep who looked at the pictures on file "of the so called water damage" he assessed that it was nothing more than pocket lint in the aux port! r u kidding me, pocket lint being confused with water damage? wow. needless top say they sent me a replacement, which worked most of the time just fine. however it did have lock ups and random reboots, just like anything would. it all depends on how lucky you are really. they problems you are having with your nexus someone else may never experience. so it is all based on a user to user basis. keep in mind also, that an ipod touch doesnt have radios, and gps... its an mp3 player not a cell phone... completely different animal. as i am sure you are well aware of. my thoughts on this review are that you have had a bad experience with the nexus s 4g, which i would be pis*ed too. but from my experience so far, i love it... better signal than my htc hd7, and very fast, and very stable.

    super amoled > retina display,

    without any question... superamoled makes retina display look washed out and ghostly
    09-20-2011 11:05 AM
  24. rckclmber75's Avatar
    I've been searching through various threads looking for thoughts on the NS4G, both in comparison and stand-alone. I've picked this thread to ask for more direct input, because it seems like the more relevant.

    I'm rolling with a VERY old HTC PPC6800. Last month I thought I had FINALLY found a phone worth upgrading to in the Photon...until it kept shutting off and calls muted. I waited for the update to come through, but I STILL experienced a "power off" situation requiring battery removal. Knowing the E4GT was due soon, I passed on the Photon and returned to my painfully slow and problematic Mogul. THEN Sprint changed the game by dropping the NS4G to $29 online. So, I scoured more reviews of the NS4G and continually came across signal issues/complaints, but most dated back to pre July 25th, before the update.

    My question is this. If YOU had a 3-4 yr old phone and wanted/needed an upgrade in today's environment is the NS4G strong enough (for the price) to buy?

    NS4G vs photon from ppl who've experienced both? $29 vs. $200

    I've looked at the ET4G and, while the display and specs were great, it's HUGE, regardless of how light, or thin it is. I'd rather have a 4" with all that power.

    I've been on Sprint for about 12yrs, so I can upgrade every year if there's a phone worth $200 out (which there rarely is).

    So, I guess my real question is if the NS4G's problems are minor enough to deal with for a year, so I can evaluate next years crop, as screens and specs improve> Or would you, the buyer, simply spend the $200 now for a photon, or ET4G

    Thanks...First post.
    09-20-2011 11:22 AM
  25. AndroidOne's Avatar
    ...I'm rolling with a VERY old HTC PPC6800.
    Wow! Used that phone about 5 or 6 phones ago... at this point, any smartphone will be a significant upgrade for you.

    My question is this. If YOU had a 3-4 yr old phone and wanted/needed an upgrade in today's environment is the NS4G strong enough (for the price) to buy?
    If you are willing to use your LAST yearly update on it, then the NS4G at that price point is a no brainer. Granted, there are some issues with this phone (as well as ANY OTHER smartphone) that affect some users more than others, but overall is a very capable Android phone.

    I've been on Sprint for about 12yrs, so I can upgrade every year if there's a phone worth $200 out (which there rarely is).
    Please be advised that Sprint is ending the Premier program so you have until 12/31/2012 to use your last yearly upgrade, after that I believe everyone will be eligible for an upgrade discount every 20 months. Also coming next month, the evaluation period for new phones will go from the current 30-days to two weeks. So you will need to factor that in your purchase decision.
    09-20-2011 11:34 AM
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