06-25-2013 12:21 PM
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  1. Tarun1998's Avatar
    Hi guys, I am planning to upgrade from an OG EVO 4G next month and want to know about the Galaxy S4's reported issues.

    1 Does the phone really use up 9 of the 15 GB storage?
    2. Is the Touchwiz interface really as glitchy and laggy as reported?
    3. Have most of you users rooted the phone as soon as you bought it? I don't think I should buy a phone that I will need to modify in order to get the best experience

    If these issues are not very prevalent, I may lean towards the S4 rather than my current favorite, the One.

    Thanks,
    Tarun
    06-17-2013 04:10 PM
  2. BobR1908's Avatar
    1. The phone does use up quite a bit of storage BUT you can save apps, etc to an SD card. That is one of the big plus points for the S4 - being able to add to it's storage easily with an SD card.
    2. I don't find it glitchy and or laggy - I did go into the Developer Options and turn off the animations which greatly helped with responsiveness and speed
    3. I do not root my phones - never have and never will.

    This phone is far superior than the HTC One. You can check out my post on that very topic from earlier today.

    Cheers.
    Tarun1998 likes this.
    06-17-2013 04:32 PM
  3. DS1331's Avatar
    Hi guys, I am planning to upgrade from an OG EVO 4G next month and want to know about the Galaxy S4's reported issues.

    1 Does the phone really use up 9 of the 15 GB storage?
    2. Is the Touchwiz interface really as glitchy and laggy as reported?
    3. Have most of you users rooted the phone as soon as you bought it? I don't think I should buy a phone that I will need to modify in order to get the best experience

    If these issues are not very prevalent, I may lean towards the S4 rather than my current favorite, the One.

    Thanks,
    Tarun
    75% of the posts I read on ac about the S4 was that it was very laggy compared to the one. Users also stated they had to root and delete a lot of stuff but then the phone turned out less laggy and fine. If you like the S4 and feel comfortable with rooting then go for it!



    Sent from my HTC One using AC Forums mobile app
    06-17-2013 04:42 PM
  4. jj14x's Avatar
    1. The phone does use up quite a bit of storage BUT you can save apps, etc to an SD card. That is one of the big plus points for the S4 - being able to add to it's storage easily with an SD card.
    Not exactly. Apps cannot be stored to the external SD card (Not yet at least. Samsung has developed an update to permit that, but that is not available to the US carrier phones yet)

    Regarding rooting, I suspect that a majority of folks who buy the S4 will never root it. But the folks who are familiar with xda and other Android Enthusiast forums will likely root it. Remember that rooting is not only to flash custom ROMs - it can also add features without that. Example: being able to change what app can access your contacts/calendar/location etc, or being able to delete/disable some apps that Samsung decided to install, or to perform backups of all applications along with data, or to change boot animation or fonts or themes or get hotspot etc. One doesn't need to flash a custom ROM to get these features.
    Tarun1998 likes this.
    06-17-2013 04:49 PM
  5. BobR1908's Avatar
    Highly recommend you taking a few easy steps before rooting.

    1. Go into the Developer Options and turn off animations
    2. Also adjust the background process limit to 4

    Made a big difference for me and took 20 seconds to do.
    DS1331 likes this.
    06-17-2013 04:49 PM
  6. ffejjj's Avatar
    Go try them out

    I love the Htc One, so fluid and fast but others swear by the S4. Both good in my opinion
    06-17-2013 04:56 PM
  7. GiantJay's Avatar
    Yes there is lag. And all these people saying turn off animations are ridiculous. With the hardware on this phone there is absolutely no reason for lag. This is a software issue and Samsung will/better fix it soon.

    Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    06-18-2013 08:22 AM
  8. ToddK's Avatar
    Well, I have over 200 apps loaded between 80-100.mp3s and a bunch of videos, and still have over 3.5 gigs leftover. Also have a 32gig sd card thay still pretty much empty...

    As for lag? What is this "lag" you speak of?

    Maybe I don't know what I'm doing, but, I find this phone has plenty of storage and is plenty speedy to boot! :-) (oh and it boots up pretty quickly too!) See what I did there? ;-)

    Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2
    ihbsbA, monsieurms and Galaxia like this.
    06-19-2013 02:31 PM
  9. garublador's Avatar
    1 Does the phone really use up 9 of the 15 GB storage?
    There's about 9GB available on the 16GB version. So it "only" takes about 7GB.

    2. Is the Touchwiz interface really as glitchy and laggy as reported?
    No. It's not perfectly smooth but it's no where near as bad as people claim. Just like other phones aren't as good as other people claim. You tend to see it more if the phone is just waking up (especially if you have some battery saving things running) or if it's updating apps but it's not really that big of a deal. Keep in mind that the S4 is popular and the One is the "underdog" so they are not always fairly compared.

    FWIW, I have turned off the animation settings and had to turn them back on to see what I was actually "missing." It's just the animations you see when apps close and stuff like that. You still get animations when going between screens. I'm not even sure how much turning them off affected the lag.

    3. Have most of you users rooted the phone as soon as you bought it? I don't think I should buy a phone that I will need to modify in order to get the best experience
    No, most have not. I use a different launcher because I don't like the grid option for TouchWiz (there is lots of wasted space on the screen), but there is no need to root.
    monsieurms likes this.
    06-19-2013 04:50 PM
  10. ihbsbA's Avatar
    Not exactly. Apps cannot be stored to the external SD card (Not yet at least. Samsung has developed an update to permit that, but that is not available to the US carrier phones yet)

    Regarding rooting, I suspect that a majority of folks who buy the S4 will never root it. But the folks who are familiar with xda and other Android Enthusiast forums will likely root it. Remember that rooting is not only to flash custom ROMs - it can also add features without that. Example: being able to change what app can access your contacts/calendar/location etc, or being able to delete/disable some apps that Samsung decided to install, or to perform backups of all applications along with data, or to change boot animation or fonts or themes or get hotspot etc. One doesn't need to flash a custom ROM to get these features.
    Rooting also allows many functions that you aren't able to use without root - you can also do individual and complete backups of your device as well as use the device as a hot spot if so desired. Rooting is not just to flash custom roms.
    06-20-2013 05:01 PM
  11. SirGeorgeKillian's Avatar
    Yes there is lag. And all these people saying turn off animations are ridiculous. With the hardware on this phone there is absolutely no reason for lag. This is a software issue and Samsung will/better fix it soon.

    Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 4 Beta
    Want to hold my phone and show me the lag?



    Sent from my Samsung S4.
    monsieurms likes this.
    06-20-2013 05:05 PM
  12. return_0's Avatar
    Hi guys, I am planning to upgrade from an OG EVO 4G next month and want to know about the Galaxy S4's reported issues.

    1 Does the phone really use up 9 of the 15 GB storage?
    2. Is the Touchwiz interface really as glitchy and laggy as reported?
    3. Have most of you users rooted the phone as soon as you bought it? I don't think I should buy a phone that I will need to modify in order to get the best experience

    If these issues are not very prevalent, I may lean towards the S4 rather than my current favorite, the One.

    Thanks,
    Tarun
    1. Not 9, but 7. There's 9 GB available total.
    2. For the most part, yes. Most reports are that lag can be relieved somewhat by doing something in developer options listed above (in another person's post). The argument against this is that, as you said, you shouldn't have to modify the phone (in the dev settings at that) to get the optimal experience.
    3. I can't answer that as I don't own the phone (though I have used it).

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 7 using Android Central Forums
    06-20-2013 05:15 PM
  13. jj14x's Avatar
    @Tarun1998 - you really should go to a store and try it out for yourself to decide whether there is any lag or not.

    A screen change from one screen to another can be done in two ways -
    1. Instantaneous - where the previous screen just vanishes, and the new screen appears at the same time
    2. With a transition - where you can see the previous screen "move" away, and the new screen taking its place.

    Some folks think that option 2 (which is the default in almost all Android devices) is an indication of "lag". Turning it off in Dev settings just makes that transition "lag" go away.

    Personally, I don't notice any lag on my S4 (I did root, but not because of any lag, but because I wanted to install the Xposed framework, and some other root only apps). Believe it or not, my Galaxy Nexus had noticeably longer lag even with custom ROMs. The S4 hardware is significantly better, and (in my opinion) more than covers up for the extra processing needed for the Samsung/Carrier bloat.

    Why don't you (Tarun1998) try to find somebody with an unrooted s4, and see for yourself?
    monsieurms likes this.
    06-21-2013 08:03 AM
  14. TheyStoleMyName's Avatar
    There should be zero lag what's so ever with the hardware specs of the phone. That's why ppl get so upset when they encounter it. They bought a flagship, top of the line phone and get lag. They could have just bought so cheapo and had the same experience.

    from what ever phone I feel like using today.
    return_0 likes this.
    06-21-2013 08:30 AM
  15. return_0's Avatar
    Some folks think that option 2 (which is the default in almost all Android devices) is an indication of "lag". Turning it off in Dev settings just makes that transition "lag" go away.
    You're not really understanding the issue. People don't think transitions are lag. They (including myself) have been noticing actual lag. You may not notice it on your phone, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    GiantJay likes this.
    06-21-2013 08:41 AM
  16. jj14x's Avatar
    You're not really understanding the issue. People don't think transitions are lag. They (including myself) have been noticing actual lag. You may not notice it on your phone, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
    I didn't say that lag doesn't exist for anyone I simply indicated that some folks referred to the "transition" as lag (at the Sprint store when I went to purchase my phone), and when the tech disabled it in dev options, they were fine with it. Disabling the transition animations is really not doing anything besides eliminating the transition animation. So, if by doing that, the "lag" disappears, I'd say that folks are considering the transition as "lag".
    Yes, it is possible that the phone will lag if you are streaming music, and playing an intensive game like NFS, and switch over to the home page to answer a text. I don't know - haven't experienced it yet. But yes, it may exist.


    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    No offense, but how long have you used a S4 for? (just curious - if you are basing your comments about the lag based on a very limited time with the phone? Or if you have actually used it for a day or so to experience the lag?)
    I had the GNex before this, and even with stock ROM or with custom ROMs like CM/PA/JBSourc, it was never as smooth as the S4. Vastly improved hardware, I know. Wish the Nexus 4 was available for Sprint - would have chosen that before considering the S4
    06-21-2013 04:28 PM
  17. return_0's Avatar
    I didn't say that lag doesn't exist for anyone I simply indicated that some folks referred to the "transition" as lag (at the Sprint store when I went to purchase my phone), and when the tech disabled it in dev options, they were fine with it. Disabling the transition animations is really not doing anything besides eliminating the transition animation. So, if by doing that, the "lag" disappears, I'd say that folks are considering the transition as "lag".
    Yes, it is possible that the phone will lag if you are streaming music, and playing an intensive game like NFS, and switch over to the home page to answer a text. I don't know - haven't experienced it yet. But yes, it may exist.
    What I meant by lag is noticeable stutter in the transitions on the home page. That's how eliminating the transition animations reduces lag.


    No offense, but how long have you used a S4 for? (just curious - if you are basing your comments about the lag based on a very limited time with the phone? Or if you have actually used it for a day or so to experience the lag?)
    I had the GNex before this, and even with stock ROM or with custom ROMs like CM/PA/JBSourc, it was never as smooth as the S4. Vastly improved hardware, I know. Wish the Nexus 4 was available for Sprint - would have chosen that before considering the S4
    To be honest, I haven't used the S4 much; only about an hour. But I'm mostly basing this on the reports of S4 owners.


    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    06-21-2013 06:32 PM
  18. ihbsbA's Avatar
    I've heard that many users are seeing their phones not be able to keep up with their typing speed... That would REALLY annoy me because I type very fast - have any of you seen that and is it fixable? What about the most recent update, has that come to the US phones yet?

    Sent from my Galaxy S3 using Tapatalk.
    06-22-2013 08:57 AM
  19. jj14x's Avatar
    What I meant by lag is noticeable stutter in the transitions on the home page. That's how eliminating the transition animations reduces lag.
    That makes sense. Thanks.

    Hopefully, my S4 stays lag free - else, I'll throw a new kernel or a new ROM on it, and hopefully, that will address the issue.
    06-22-2013 10:40 AM
  20. monsieurms's Avatar
    Hi guys, I am planning to upgrade from an OG EVO 4G next month and want to know about the Galaxy S4's reported issues.

    1 Does the phone really use up 9 of the 15 GB storage?
    2. Is the Touchwiz interface really as glitchy and laggy as reported?
    3. Have most of you users rooted the phone as soon as you bought it? I don't think I should buy a phone that I will need to modify in order to get the best experience

    If these issues are not very prevalent, I may lean towards the S4 rather than my current favorite, the One.

    Thanks,
    Tarun
    1. I had about 9.4 free when I got the phone. Frankly, unless you're a gamer, that should be fine.
    2. The constant threads on lag are astonishing, honestly. It is much ado about nothing. I think most won't notice and won't care, and the truth is that this is about the fastest processor on the market and the phone handles average tasks brilliantly. NO computer handles everything instantaneously. If you're upgrading from another phone with an expired contract 2 years ago, you'll be thrilled. This thing makes my Asus Transformer tablet look archaic in speed. It makes my last HTC phone look like it came from 1999.
    3. I haven't bothered and won't. Samsung provides a great overall experience.
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    06-22-2013 11:02 AM
  21. return_0's Avatar
    The constant threads on lag are astonishing, honestly. It is much ado about nothing. I think most won't notice and won't care, and the truth is that this is about the fastest processor on the market and the phone handles average tasks brilliantly. NO computer handles everything instantaneously. If you're upgrading from another phone with an expired contract 2 years ago, you'll be thrilled. This thing makes my Asus Transformer tablet look archaic in speed. It makes my last HTC phone look like it came from 1999.
    But, in that sense, it makes the Nexus 4 and One look like supercomputers.

    Sent from my pure Google Nexus 4 using Android Central Forums
    06-22-2013 11:39 AM
  22. monsieurms's Avatar
    But, in that sense, it makes the Nexus 4 and One look like supercomputers.
    Apart from various deal breaker issues with those phones like removable batteries and SD card slots, no, not really. I prefer to state it as the lag issue being vastly overstated here and turned into a blown-out-of-proportion bogeyman that has the effect of completely misleading as to how fast this phone actually is at performing its various tasks.When, for instance, I pull up my ebook directory with File Manager on my card with over 2000 ebooks, it does so as fast--or faster!--than my desktop computer, an XPS from Dell. It outpaces my old HTC Sensation by a factor a zillion to one. (Yes, I know that's not scientific, but ...) I saw a post above about going back to the home screen, etc. Got my phone out. Went to the 3rd alternate home screen. Back to the 1st. Instant. Not even a hint. Opened up Cool Reader. Instant (although that's a different type of issue). Hit the home button. Cool Reader dissolves. Whoosh. Exactly as it should be. Pulled up Pocket. Instant splash. Back to home screen. Dissolves. Whoosh. Opened Evernote. Popped up instantly. Pushed the home screen. Dissolves immediately. Whoosh.

    Even assuming arguendo some significant lag issue--I've seen nothing that would have even made me think about it until I read threads on this forum, and I'll bet the typical user upgrading and starting afresh sees nothing amiss and couldn't care less--there are also other important speed issues where this excels. Controlled tests demonstrate how snappy this phone is, using the latest updates, with apples-to-apples comparisons. PC Mag, May 2013:

    "Sprint's Galaxy S 4 has the same 1.9Ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 processor as T-Mobile's, but I found that this unit benchmarked slightly faster, possibly because it's running fewer background services like T-Mobile's Wi-Fi calling system. In any case, it's the fastest Android phone I've seen yet."

    The t-mobile review, btw, which I use, a month earlier said:

    The 1.9GHz Snapdragon torched the processor-dependent Antutu benchmark, but it also did unusually well on Basemark OS, which launches real applications, and on the GLBenchmark graphics benchmark. Even pushing all the pixels on a 1080p screen, this is the fastest Android phone available. I topped off performance testing with the hideously heavy Need for Speed: Most Wanted game, which ran like butter on the S 4. Spectacular speed results carried over to network testing, too."

    One thing between those two reviews that we might note is that not everyone may be talking about the same thing.

    You said in one post "To be honest, I haven't used the S4 much; only about an hour." I've used it a lot with a lot of apps that make my Transformer tablet and my former HTC phone choke or slow to a crawl. I'm not a gamer. Otherwise, I am a pretty heavy user and am on it constantly. The S4 zips along and generally seems lightning fast. If there are complaints to be made with this phone, speed is not fairly put as one of them.
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    06-22-2013 01:01 PM
  23. Tarun1998's Avatar
    Great, because I have a Transformer as well, and I plan to move most of my games to my new phone.
    06-23-2013 02:56 PM
  24. jj14x's Avatar
    Great, because I have a Transformer as well, and I plan to move most of my games to my new phone.
    If you run into space issues because of huge amount of game data or something like that, and Samsung/carriers haven't pushed the update (to push apps to SD) by then, look up xda-developers for folder mount (you can download from play store). I used that for my NFS game (1.5 gigs - ugh)

    [APP][ROOT] FolderMount - Link folders from internal SD to external to free space - xda-developers
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...evasque.fmount
    06-23-2013 09:27 PM
  25. garublador's Avatar
    To be honest, I haven't used the S4 much; only about an hour. But I'm mostly basing this on the reports of S4 owners.
    Which artificially inflates the reports. How many people are basing their reports of lag on reports from people who are also basing theirs on what they heard on forums? You could have a few people giving overblown reports of how bad the lag is and then lots of people passing that information along without having actually used the device more than a little bit. How many people who don't have the phone are passing along the reports from people who don't see much, if any, lag?
    monsieurms likes this.
    06-24-2013 09:02 AM
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