05-27-2014 12:18 PM
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  1. ttwiitch's Avatar
    Yes Spark can hit high speeds but notice how you're having to post a video of someone else doing it instead of yourself. These speeds are in limited areas.. Most areas get under 1 Mbit on 3g...and some even that bad on LTE. Their network as a whole is suffering. Some areas are okay but the grand majority isn't and that is where Sprint is failing.

    If they can get Spark rolled out fast enough it will make a world of a difference but until then the majority have crap speeds and simply can't even use data at some points.

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    Well, that's just like T-Mobile's pretty bad call quality in and out of cities. If they can hurry up with that...well, you know :-P
    Just because I didn't record it doesn't meant I don't have it. I'm just showing what everyone will have very soon :-)

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    05-15-2014 12:47 PM
  2. Almeuit's Avatar
    Well, that's just like T-Mobile's pretty bad call quality in and out of cities. If they can hurry up with that...well, you know :-P
    Just because I didn't record it doesn't meant I don't have it. I'm just showing what everyone will have very soon :-)

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    Bad call quality? Where? I've always been able to make calls when in between cities. I drove from Jacksonville to New Jersey and didn't have one spot I couldn't call or text.. I had edge in between for data sure.. But didn't have an issue with calls.. So where are you getting that information from?

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    05-15-2014 01:00 PM
  3. ttwiitch's Avatar
    Bad call quality? Where? I've always been able to make calls when in between cities. I drove from Jacksonville to New Jersey and didn't have one spot I couldn't call or text.. I had edge in between for data sure.. But didn't have an issue with calls.. So where are you getting that information from?

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    From T-Mobile's own forums....and ppl I know on T-Mobile. Great speeds tho, very impressive.

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    05-15-2014 01:35 PM
  4. italianotampa's Avatar
    They really messed up their network when they introduced triband phones on the spark network. Some software that keep handoffs between bands isn't going as well as planned ( research csfb ). Basically if you upgraded a to a triband phone you might not get LTE in a area where you had it before. I really am thinking of leaving because of this and the throttle.

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    05-15-2014 10:11 PM
  5. Kilroy13's Avatar
    Good! We need to get rid of the abusers!

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    05-15-2014 11:19 PM
  6. Overstew's Avatar
    No... It's Sprints 3g not data users. They don't upgrade their infrastructure so now it's way to saturated and can't handle the people.. It's Sprints fault. It's not the customers fault for using data that is advertised as an all you can eat buffet. That's not right.... Tell people you have unlimited data then get mad when they use it?....

    With T-Mobile I have me and a few coworkers using our data heavily... And I know there are more users in the area.. And we still pull the speeds below. If 3 users can bring Sprint to its knees that 110% their fault for not keeping their network up with the growing smartphone demand and yet telling people to come use unlimited data.

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    They are upgrading their 3G network by adding additional back haul to its EvDo sites. Instead of T1 lines, EvDo data runs through fiber, just like LTE. Sprint's current LTE (on the PCS band) is running on a 5x5 MHz channel due to spectrum constraints. Because of this, the amount of users are limited to slower throughput and speeds. T-Mobile has went ahead and rolled out 10x10 and 20x20mhz carriers in areas that their spectrum has allowed. This is why T-Mobile can attain faster speeds than Sprint as of now.

    Sprint is rolling out B41 (Clearwires spectrum) in 20mhz channels which is live in certain cities now and growing. Sprint's B41 can pull around ~70mbps at the moment and can scale up to 168mbps if the back haul allows it.

    To top that off, Sprint is also rolling out B26 on most sites to allow for better building penetration and general coverage. The throttling only applies to people that are influencing others negatively on the network.

    All of the carriers have the right to throttle your speeds. It's in the ToS. I feel like this new policy they're enforcing will keep at bay those that have cancelled their ISP because they have LTE at home via Sprint.

    I do think Sprint has the most potential of all carriers down the road, but it's going to take a lot of time to get the product they're looking for because they're rebuilding their entire network, not just upgrading it with overlays.

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    05-16-2014 05:06 AM
  7. ttwiitch's Avatar
    They are upgrading their 3G network by adding additional back haul to its EvDo sites. Instead of T1 lines, EvDo data runs through fiber, just like LTE. Sprint's current LTE (on the PCS band) is running on a 5x5 MHz channel due to spectrum constraints. Because of this, the amount of users are limited to slower throughput and speeds. T-Mobile has went ahead and rolled out 10x10 and 20x20mhz carriers in areas that their spectrum has allowed. This is why T-Mobile can attain faster speeds than Sprint as of now.

    Sprint is rolling out B41 (Clearwires spectrum) in 20mhz channels which is live in certain cities now and growing. Sprint's B41 can pull around ~70mbps at the moment and can scale up to 168mbps if the back haul allows it.

    To top that off, Sprint is also rolling out B26 on most sites to allow for better building penetration and general coverage. The throttling only applies to people that are influencing others negatively on the network.

    All of the carriers have the right to throttle your speeds. It's in the ToS. I feel like this new policy they're enforcing will keep at bay those that have cancelled their ISP because they have LTE at home via Sprint.

    I do think Sprint has the most potential of all carriers down the road, but it's going to take a lot of time to get the product they're looking for because they're rebuilding their entire network, not just upgrading it with overlays.

    Sent from my LG-LS980
    Couldn't of said it better myself.

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    05-16-2014 07:17 AM
  8. dpham00's Avatar
    They are upgrading their 3G network by adding additional back haul to its EvDo sites. Instead of T1 lines, EvDo data runs through fiber, just like LTE. Sprint's current LTE (on the PCS band) is running on a 5x5 MHz channel due to spectrum constraints. Because of this, the amount of users are limited to slower throughput and speeds. T-Mobile has went ahead and rolled out 10x10 and 20x20mhz carriers in areas that their spectrum has allowed. This is why T-Mobile can attain faster speeds than Sprint as of now.

    Sprint is rolling out B41 (Clearwires spectrum) in 20mhz channels which is live in certain cities now and growing. Sprint's B41 can pull around ~70mbps at the moment and can scale up to 168mbps if the back haul allows it.

    To top that off, Sprint is also rolling out B26 on most sites to allow for better building penetration and general coverage. The throttling only applies to people that are influencing others negatively on the network.

    All of the carriers have the right to throttle your speeds. It's in the ToS. I feel like this new policy they're enforcing will keep at bay those that have cancelled their ISP because they have LTE at home via Sprint.

    I do think Sprint has the most potential of all carriers down the road, but it's going to take a lot of time to get the product they're looking for because they're rebuilding their entire network, not just upgrading it with overlays.

    Sent from my LG-LS980
    Can't speak for other carriers, but Verizon's 4GLTE is unthrottled even for those on the unlimited data plan.

    dpham00, Android Central Moderator
    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
    05-16-2014 07:51 AM
  9. Almeuit's Avatar
    They are upgrading their 3G network by adding additional back haul to its EvDo sites. Instead of T1 lines, EvDo data runs through fiber, just like LTE. Sprint's current LTE (on the PCS band) is running on a 5x5 MHz channel due to spectrum constraints. Because of this, the amount of users are limited to slower throughput and speeds. T-Mobile has went ahead and rolled out 10x10 and 20x20mhz carriers in areas that their spectrum has allowed. This is why T-Mobile can attain faster speeds than Sprint as of now.

    Sprint is rolling out B41 (Clearwires spectrum) in 20mhz channels which is live in certain cities now and growing. Sprint's B41 can pull around ~70mbps at the moment and can scale up to 168mbps if the back haul allows it.

    To top that off, Sprint is also rolling out B26 on most sites to allow for better building penetration and general coverage. The throttling only applies to people that are influencing others negatively on the network.

    All of the carriers have the right to throttle your speeds. It's in the ToS. I feel like this new policy they're enforcing will keep at bay those that have cancelled their ISP because they have LTE at home via Sprint.

    I do think Sprint has the most potential of all carriers down the road, but it's going to take a lot of time to get the product they're looking for because they're rebuilding their entire network, not just upgrading it with overlays.

    Sent from my LG-LS980



    Can't speak for other carriers, but Verizon's 4GLTE is unthrottled even for those on the unlimited data plan.

    dpham00, Android Central Moderator
    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
    Yeah T-Mobile doesn't throttle either (see below) when on the unlimited plan. See speed and data usage below for this cycle.

    Overstew I get what you're saying.. And as I've started they are in a bad spot now... And yes they have potential but they've had it for a long time.. They just let the ball drop. To me a few cities pulling good speed where 80 percent or whatever has crap isn't right.. Most have to live with horrible speeds. Sprint didn't get the reputation for bad speeds over night.. It's from customer of 10, 12, 15 years etc finally giving up on the promises made over and over. I had to leave.. My 3g was slower than dial up.. Really it was... For a year. For a year I had to suffer with that.. Couldn't take it and had to switch.

    Even if they have potential down the road here is what confuses me... What does that have to do with now? If it's crap now most should go elsewhere.. And go back once it's fixed. Sprint isn't going to give you any benefits for staying.. They did away with their customer loyalty program. So you get nothing for sticking through something like that. Now as I said if you have good speeds well then you're good to go.. Of course no reason to switch. But for most people that were in my shoes.. Having Google searches time out... I'm sorry.. No thanks.

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    05-16-2014 09:49 AM
  10. dpham00's Avatar
    Also where you have the high speed on Sprint, is it a high load area? That makes a big difference. Getting high speeds in the middle of nowhere doesn't really mean much. Also it depends on how many people in the area are on Sprint. I talked to my co-workers and I know people on Verizon, tmobile, and att, but no one that I talked to used Sprint. Obviously I didn't survey the thousands of people in my building, but my guess is load on Sprint towers is much lower than Verizon towers.

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    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
    05-16-2014 09:59 AM
  11. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    Yeah T-Mobile doesn't throttle either (see below) when on the unlimited plan. See speed and data usage below for this cycle.

    Overstew I get what you're saying.. And as I've started they are in a bad spot now... And yes they have potential but they've had it for a long time.. They just let the ball drop. To me a few cities pulling good speed where 80 percent or whatever has crap isn't right.. Most have to live with horrible speeds. Sprint didn't get the reputation for bad speeds over night.. It's from customer of 10, 12, 15 years etc finally giving up on the promises made over and over. I had to leave.. My 3g was slower than dial up.. Really it was... For a year. For a year I had to suffer with that.. Couldn't take it and had to switch.

    Even if they have potential down the road here is what confuses me... What does that have to do with now? If it's crap now most should go elsewhere.. And go back once it's fixed. Sprint isn't going to give you any benefits for staying.. They did away with their customer loyalty program. So you get nothing for sticking through something like that. Now as I said if you have good speeds well then you're good to go.. Of course no reason to switch. But for most people that were in my shoes.. Having Google searches time out... I'm sorry.. No thanks.

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    I really couldn't have said it better myself. Sprint was scheduled to have LTE fully implemented in my area in the Spring 2013, and still hasn't yet. All over the Sprint community forums is 'We have so much exciting things happening' and 'Just wait a little longer, it will get better'.

    To me, if Spark could be fully implemented across the US immediately, would only put Sprint where they needed to be about 6 months ago. Now, here is the real catch: Spark won't be fully launched for another 2-3 years.
    05-16-2014 10:02 AM
  12. italianotampa's Avatar

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    You used that much data? 633gigs?

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    05-16-2014 10:02 AM
  13. dpham00's Avatar
    You used that much data? 633gigs?

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    I am at around 1.4tb so far about 10 days into my cycle.



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    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
    05-16-2014 10:07 AM
  14. Almeuit's Avatar
    You used that much data? 633gigs?

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    So far this cycle yeah.

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    05-16-2014 10:11 AM
  15. ttwiitch's Avatar
    633gb and 1.4tb.... Both in under 10 days.
    This is why all good things MUST come to an end! :facepalm:

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    05-16-2014 10:47 AM
  16. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    633gb and 1.4tb.... Both in under 10 days.
    This is why all good things MUST come to an end! :facepalm:

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    May I ask what is the difference between them properly using their mobile internet versus the same amount on say Xfinity, or Time Warner?

    From an SOKP Nexus 5
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    05-16-2014 11:29 AM
  17. Almeuit's Avatar
    633gb and 1.4tb.... Both in under 10 days.
    This is why all good things MUST come to an end! :facepalm:

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    Aren't you a fan of unlimited? You always say you have a Sprint Truly Unlimited plan.. Which means.. You should be allowed to use 1 MB or 1 TB right? .

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    05-16-2014 12:34 PM
  18. dpham00's Avatar
    May I ask what is the difference between them properly using their mobile internet versus the same amount on say Xfinity, or Time Warner?

    From an SOKP Nexus 5
    To add to that, I use hotspot.

    dpham00, Android Central Moderator
    Sent from my Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 3
    05-16-2014 12:35 PM
  19. ttwiitch's Avatar
    Aren't you a fan of unlimited? You always say you have a Sprint Truly Unlimited plan.. Which means.. You should be allowed to use 1 MB or 1 TB right? .

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    May I ask what is the difference between them properly using their mobile internet versus the same amount on say Xfinity, or Time Warner?

    From an SOKP Nexus 5
    The difference is, to answer both of you; I'm not selfish and take advantage with an end result of making the network worse for everyone else. AND then, everyone pays the consequences for either throttled networks and/or data caps.

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    05-16-2014 01:13 PM
  20. Golfdriver97's Avatar
    The difference is, to answer both of you; I'm not selfish and take advantage with an end result of making the network worse for everyone else. AND then, everyone pays the consequences for either throttled networks and/or data caps.

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    How is it selfish or taking advantage, if they are using the mobile Internet within the ToS of the carrier?


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    05-16-2014 01:19 PM
  21. Almeuit's Avatar
    The difference is, to answer both of you; I'm not selfish and take advantage with an end result of making the network worse for everyone else. AND then, everyone pays the consequences for either throttled networks and/or data caps.

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    How is it selfish or taking advantage, if they are using the mobile Internet within the ToS of the carrier?


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    This. Also with me using that I pulled 50 Mbit.. How.. Am I hurting others? My coworkers are pulling the same speeds as me even with my downloading.. Which is all phone and not rooted tether or anything.


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    05-16-2014 01:26 PM
  22. italianotampa's Avatar
    May I ask what is the difference between them properly using their mobile internet versus the same amount on say Xfinity, or Time Warner?

    From an SOKP Nexus 5
    Are they really using it for MOBILE use? Impossible. There has to be tethering involved. You would literally have to have your face glued non stop to the screen downloading music while watching YouTube et. A terabyte just for mobile use, come on.

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    05-16-2014 01:33 PM
  23. Almeuit's Avatar
    Are they really using it for MOBILE use? Impossible. There has to be tethering involved. You would literally have to have your face glued non stop to the screen downloading music while watching YouTube et. A terabyte just for mobile use, come on.

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    Oh no I don't tether but dpham does. But again that's within his carriers ToS. Verizon allows unlimited data to the phone.. And for $30 more a month.. Unlimited tether. So he can tether like that if he wants.. It's well within his agreement.

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    05-16-2014 01:36 PM
  24. dpham00's Avatar
    The difference is, to answer both of you; I'm not selfish and take advantage with an end result of making the network worse for everyone else. AND then, everyone pays the consequences for either throttled networks and/or data caps.

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    Verizon has enough aws lte capacity here. I can pull 40-65mbps speed tests mid day. Does it affect others? Sure. But marginally so. If I am getting 65mbps, it doesn't mean that the Verizon guy next to me would only get 3 mbps. No, he would get close to what I get.

    Verizon has the most customer unfriendly policies. They have had their LTE network up since 2010. If they were going to implement throttling of 4GLTE or caps on the unlimited plan, then they would have by now.

    dpham00, Android Central Moderator
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    05-16-2014 01:43 PM
  25. ttwiitch's Avatar
    This. Also with me using that I pulled 50 Mbit.. How.. Am I hurting others? My coworkers are pulling the same speeds as me even with my downloading.. Which is all phone and not rooted tether or anything.


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    It's not about hurting others at that moment, (which it does if you and hundreds of other ppl are doing the exact same thing) but its about hurting us the consumers when networks change their policies and then restrict us, we all complain, hell breaks loose, and we ask ourselves why?

    Oh wait, its because ppl took advantage of the network and now we are being restricted......or limited!

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    05-16-2014 02:50 PM
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