10-12-2011 02:14 PM
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  1. bxborn31's Avatar
    so i know at&ts 4G network isnt real 4G. but when AT&T does get real 4G will our galaxy S2's be compatible or will we again have to buy another phone?
    10-07-2011 11:48 AM
  2. timberga's Avatar
    You will have to buy a different model.
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    10-07-2011 11:56 AM
  3. derande's Avatar
    the way i understand it is that the updated 4G network will transmit the highest speeds to phones with LTE radios which the Galaxy S2 does not have.
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    10-07-2011 11:57 AM
  4. bxborn31's Avatar
    You will have to buy a different model.
    God dammit LOL.

    Sent from my Samsung galaxy S2 using Tapatalk
    10-07-2011 12:02 PM
  5. ChrisM47's Avatar
    There really isn't a "real 4G" each provider uses it in different forms.

    Verzion = LTE
    AT&T= HSPA+
    Sprint = WiMax

    AT&T and Sprint are launching LTE networks as they're the fastest speeds available.

    WiMax is just terrible and LTE drains batterys so much that having the faster speeds isn't that much of a huge gain over HSPA+ so if anything I like what AT&T offers right now the best. Depending on where you live HSPA+ can be fast enough up tp 21Mpbs.
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    10-07-2011 12:04 PM
  6. bxborn31's Avatar
    There really isn't a "real 4G" each provider uses it in different forms.

    Verzion = LTE
    AT&T= HSPA+
    Sprint = WiMax

    AT&T and Sprint are launching LTE networks as they're the fastest speeds available.

    WiMax is just terrible and LTE drains batterys so much that having the faster speeds isn't that much of a huge gain over HSPA+ so if anything I like what AT&T offers right now the best. Depending on where you live HSPA+ can be fast enough up tp 21Mpbs.
    How much faster is hspa+ than 3G?

    Sent from my Samsung galaxy S2 using Tapatalk
    10-07-2011 12:22 PM
  7. bxborn31's Avatar
    so i did some reading. what is this about at&t backhaul. the way im reading it its basic terms since i dont know anything about cell towers is that at&t HSPA+ gives you x amount of speed right now but when LTE is launched it will backhaul off of that and give us faster speeds?
    10-07-2011 12:52 PM
  8. pmentior's Avatar
    The backhaul is what kind of connection the towers use to provide internet access. The at&t enhanced backhaul is just them upgrading their towers with a better connection.

    Sent from my AT&T Samsung Galaxy S II
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    10-07-2011 01:00 PM
  9. ChrisM47's Avatar
    How much faster is hspa+ than 3G?

    Sent from my Samsung galaxy S2 using Tapatalk
    HSPA+ is faster than 3G 21Mbps vs. 7.2Mbps the new iPhone4S only has a 14.4Mbps HSPA+ Radio inside not a 21Mbps so it won't even take full advantage of the highest HSPA+ speeds AT&T has to offer in some areas.

    Obviously seeing these speeds depends on your area. On my iPhone 3G speeds were awful in my area so I am seeing speeds 5x faster on my Galaxy S II than what I was getting from 3G.
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    10-07-2011 01:47 PM
  10. ricktat's Avatar
    The good news is tha it will proably take 2 years to get LTE in a decent amount of areas.

    We were in a Sprint Wimax 4G area a few months ago. The battery on my wives Epic 4G drained in about an hour with the 4G enabled.

    That was my only experience with it.
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    10-07-2011 01:57 PM
  11. ChrisM47's Avatar
    I live in Atlanta and according to AT&T LTE is rolled out here. Like you said though battery life is terrible and they have yet to figure it out. The speeds of LTE aren't worth having a cellphone that doesn't last even half a day in my book.
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    10-07-2011 01:58 PM
  12. bxborn31's Avatar
    Thanks guys. That helped.

    Sent from my Samsung galaxy S2 using Tapatalk
    10-07-2011 05:10 PM
  13. ChrisM47's Avatar
    Plus since AT&T does anything Apple says since the new iPhone4S is using HSPA+ that will be their priority so it will only benefit us Galaxy S II owners who have the faster HSPA+ Radios and maybe all those Apple people won't suck up our bandwidth enough before AT&T does some more upgrading. =o
    10-07-2011 06:01 PM
  14. Broheemster's Avatar
    With a 21mbps Max that is more than enough speed for me. When you get to the 8mbps mark, web pages basically load up instantly so once you start getting to the high teens anything higher is basically overkill. I am perfectly happy with hspa+ as it has bettety battery optimization than lte. The only thing Lte might be better at is signal penetration into buildings and even then I heard it depends on what frequency is being used. That's why wimax gets a bad rap for indoor use cause it tends to reflect off buildings rather than penetrate.
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    10-07-2011 07:28 PM
  15. Droid800's Avatar
    What speeds are you guys seeing? I'm thinking of going back to big blue but haven't decided yet.


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    10-07-2011 11:37 PM
  16. Jfenton78's Avatar
    So help me understand this 3G vs 4g vs LTE. I live in south Houston which is one of the cities to roll out LTE but the local AT&T stores don't stock the GS2 because they said it's not 4G. I know it has HSPA+21 is that 3g? If so what technology should I watch for in 4g vs LTE? also is 4g different from LTE?
    10-08-2011 12:00 PM
  17. mpazevedo's Avatar
    So help me understand this 3G vs 4g vs LTE. I live in south Houston which is one of the cities to roll out LTE but the local AT&T stores don't stock the GS2 because they said it's not 4G. I know it has HSPA+21 is that 3g? If so what technology should I watch for in 4g vs LTE? also is 4g different from LTE?
    HSPA+ is AT&Ts transition to 4G. AT&T got some organization to claim its real 4G, but it's semantics. LTE is true 4G. It is the future. Funny how the reps said the SGSII was not 4G, over here they will claim up and down it is. HSPA+21 is more like 3.5G. SGSII is not LTE because of the lack of radios but will work in Houston with HSPA+. Almost all of the nation has it now. It's a great fallback from LTE once it comes to more areas.

    I would not hold my breath expecting an LTE Samsung Galaxy S II here in the US. The Samsung Galaxy S III will probably have it. AT&T's LTE is at its infancy. It will take a couple more years before we see LTE all over the nation. Verizon has a great start but areas they don't have LTE the switchover is slow.
    10-08-2011 01:45 PM
  18. Jfenton78's Avatar
    Thanks for clarifying. The sales rep mentioned some new LTE phone coming like the HTC holiday, but didn't give specifics on when. She did mention the holidays though. So hopefully by then.

    I like the GS2, but need a new phone real soon. I'm currently using a iPhone 3GS which only has edge working right now. I'm looking to switch as I really wanted a bigger screen than the iPhone 4s has.
    10-08-2011 02:07 PM
  19. planoman's Avatar
    With a 21mbps Max that is more than enough speed for me. When you get to the 8mbps mark, web pages basically load up instantly so once you start getting to the high teens anything higher is basically overkill. I am perfectly happy with hspa+ as it has bettety battery optimization than lte. The only thing Lte might be better at is signal penetration into buildings and even then I heard it depends on what frequency is being used. That's why wimax gets a bad rap for indoor use cause it tends to reflect off buildings rather than penetrate.
    +1 ! Do not see a need for LTE on a mobile phone. I live in DFW which has LTE as does Houston and San Antonio so I am in a good market for AT&T LTE.
    10-08-2011 02:12 PM
  20. planoman's Avatar
    So help me understand this 3G vs 4g vs LTE. I live in south Houston which is one of the cities to roll out LTE but the local AT&T stores don't stock the GS2 because they said it's not 4G. I know it has HSPA+21 is that 3g? If so what technology should I watch for in 4g vs LTE? also is 4g different from LTE?
    AT&T is now calling 4G LTE, especially in Texas as you can see the new billboards everywhere touting 4G LTE. Previously they were calling HSPA+ 4G. Those were the Atrix, Inspire, Infuse and SGSII and other phones which can get pretty good speeds if you are in an enhanced backhaul area. I average about 6-7 down and 1 up in DFW on my Atrix and SGSII.

    AT&T has very limited rollout for LTE right now. Three of the five markets are in Texas. DFW, Houston and San Antonio. They have no phones available but the HTC Holiday is rumored to be coming. I have a buddy that work for AT&T and he has it for his laptop computer and the speeds are screaming! 22-25 mbps down or as fast as home internet.

    Not sure how they will price it for phone. I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be NO unlimited data plans for LTE, even for grandfathered unlimited plans, so I will stick with faux 4G or HSPA+. I think they will make you agree to give up unlimited data to get LTE since it is a different network.
    10-08-2011 02:23 PM
  21. Tom S.'s Avatar
    Don't forget that if AT&T gets to purchase T-Mobile that will really help their network expansion.
    10-08-2011 05:58 PM
  22. bgapfire's Avatar
    HSPA+ is AT&Ts transition to 4G. AT&T got some organization to claim its real 4G, but it's semantics. LTE is true 4G. It is the future. Funny how the reps said the SGSII was not 4G, over here they will claim up and down it is. HSPA+21 is more like 3.5G. SGSII is not LTE because of the lack of radios but will work in Houston with HSPA+. Almost all of the nation has it now. It's a great fallback from LTE once it comes to more areas.
    I would not hold my breath expecting an LTE Samsung Galaxy S II here in the US. The Samsung Galaxy S III will probably have it. AT&T's LTE is at its infancy. It will take a couple more years before we see LTE all over the nation. Verizon has a great start but areas they don't have LTE the switchover is slow.

    AT&T did not get any organization to claim their HSPA+ is 4G. Please provide people with accurate information. Tmobile was calling their HSPA+ 4g long before AT&T. If anything, AT&T jumped on the marketing ploy to prevent from falling too far behind the 4g marketing of HSPA+. As with any carrier or phone, your region will dictate your speeds, call quality, and drops.
    10-08-2011 06:34 PM
  23. unkandroid's Avatar
    I guess I'm still confused about why they aren't selling G2 in Houston and the other LTE cities. Lots of people would buy them, many lost sales for sure. They still work in those cities right?

    LTE is here, but 99.99% of the phones that are out, or being sold at the moment, aren't LTE anyway.

    Makes no sense to me. Unless an LTE variant is coming, but that's pretty much ruled out. Or they just don't want to sell too many G2's for some other reason. (low profit, Apple, who knows)

    Guess I'll order one on-line.
    10-12-2011 09:35 AM
  24. derande's Avatar
    Guess I'll order one on-line.
    my wife thinks i'm crazy but i've always ordered my new devices online. she can't believe that i would order something without physically getting to handle it first but i've done all my homework and know what i want. plus, i don't have to deal with lines and salespeople
    10-12-2011 09:43 AM
  25. aggie's Avatar
    AT&T is now calling 4G LTE, especially in Texas as you can see the new billboards everywhere touting 4G LTE. Previously they were calling HSPA+ 4G. Those were the Atrix, Inspire, Infuse and SGSII and other phones which can get pretty good speeds if you are in an enhanced backhaul area. I average about 6-7 down and 1 up in DFW on my Atrix and SGSII.

    AT&T has very limited rollout for LTE right now. Three of the five markets are in Texas. DFW, Houston and San Antonio. They have no phones available but the HTC Holiday is rumored to be coming. I have a buddy that work for AT&T and he has it for his laptop computer and the speeds are screaming! 22-25 mbps down or as fast as home internet.

    Not sure how they will price it for phone. I have a sneaking suspicion that there will be NO unlimited data plans for LTE, even for grandfathered unlimited plans, so I will stick with faux 4G or HSPA+. I think they will make you agree to give up unlimited data to get LTE since it is a different network.
    i wouldn't be surprised if they followed verizon's lead, at least initally. I've had unlimited data with verizon for a year and when i upgraded to an LTE device they allowed me to keep unlimited data and they are still doing that for customers that previously had unlimited. There would probably be more incentive for AT&T to grandfather users that already subscribe to unlimited 3g or "faux g" plans as AT&T's HSPA+ network is already a very good option for data and there wouldn't be a whole lot of incentive for people to upgrade to an LTE device other than those of us who are on these forums that want the latest and greatest. The average consumer likely doesn't even know what the heck LTE is and would probably opt not to upgrade and lose unlimited data just to upgrade to LTE which the main benefit would be a nice speed bump over an already fairly speedy hspa+ network. Being with Verizon I saw an upgrade to LTE as a necessity. 3g speeds of 700 kbps to 1.5 mbps on the downlink are so 2007 and the inability to have simultaneous voice and data was frustrating. LTE adds alot more for verizon as their 3g network was junk even though it had good coverage and it didn't allow simultaneous voice/data.

    With that being said, unless the Nexus Prime just blows me away or if it gets delayed forever like Verizon does with most of their phones, I could be going back to AT&T for a GS2 as HSPA+ is perfectly fine with me and I don't see myself going over the 4gb that the data pro plan offers. LTE technology is still in its infancy and as much as I love the blazing speeds the 1st gen LTE radios have issues holding a data connection even in strong coverage areas and have issues with LTE to 3g handoffs. There are many times I'm stuck with no data signal at all and have to toggle airplane mode on/off to get the device to communicate with the network again and that's in the heart of DFW. Most importantly, battery optimization is horrible and probably won't be where it needs to be for another year at least. Battery life with android can already be poor enough, if you are a heavy user your battery can go in a couple hours.
    10-12-2011 10:12 AM
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